Microsoft pulls beta of Chinese microblogging service; blames third-party developer

By | December 15, 2009, 6:25am PST

For the second time in the past couple of months, Microsoft has pulled a piece of code amid allegations of “theft.” And, as was the case last time, Microsoft is attributing any problems to a third-party developer.

On December 14, Microsoft officials suspended the beta of Juku, a microblogging service Microsoft is testing in China. (Microsoft officials don’t seem to consider Juku a Twitter-like microblogging service; they prefer to say it is a service that is based on Windows Live Messenger.) The Juku beta looks almost identical to Plurk (see below), a microblogging service that is popular in Asia.

Microsoft issued a statement late in the day on December 14 and said t was investigating the matter. From the release:

“Here’s what we know at this point. Our MSN China joint venture contracted with an independent vendor to create a feature called MSN Juku that allowed MSN users to find friends via microblogging and online games. This MSN Juku feature was made available to MSN China users in November and is still in beta.

“Because questions have been raised about the code base comprising the service, MSN China will be suspending access to the Juku beta feature temporarily while we investigate the matter fully.”

Update: (Afternoon ET on December15): Microsoft issued another statement, admitting Juku includes copied code and said the beta of Juku will be suspended indefinitely. Microsoft apologized to Plurk and added: “In the wake of this incident, Microsoft and our MSN China joint venture will be taking a look at our practices around applications code provided by third-party vendors.”

In November, Microsoft officials pulled a Windows 7 download tool from the Microsoft Store after blogger Rafael Rivera found the tool included some embedded GPL code which Microsoft was not offering under an open-source license. Microsoft officials said the offending code was added by a third-party developer and, after reworking the tool, reposted it on the company’s CodePlex site under the GPL v2 open-source license.

I realize Microsoft is a big company that works with a lot of different shops, but it does seem like some new oversight policies are sorely needed on Microsoft’s part –avoiding  “blame the third-party later” situations like these.

China MSN and Plurk compared

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Talkback Most Recent of 34 Talkback(s)

  • Whats the old saying?
    If you want something done right, you should do it yourself?

    Why did MS outsource it to begin with? Why not build it in house?
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    NoThomas
    15th Dec 2009
  • It is China we're talking about here.
    maybe they required MS to use Chinese developers, and we know they would never, ever, take someone else code...

    http://government.zdnet.com/?p=5058&tag=content;col1
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    John Zern
    15th Dec 2009
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    theo_durcan
    15th Dec 2009
  • Really? What source has MS "stolen" in your views?
    And don't quote the Win7 download tool that was created by a 3rd party who used OSS code.
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    de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023
    15th Dec 2009
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    msalzberg
    15th Dec 2009
  • What source has MS "stolen" in your views?
    and was that a US developer or a Chinese...don't be so lily white, illegally copied code/dvd/cd and all that are not restricted to any one race....just look at yourself my friend (and yes I look at myself too)
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    Bradish@...
    15th Dec 2009
  • Re: Really? What source has MS "stolen" in your views?
    I vaguely remember that DOS was "borrowed" from Gary Kindall(?)'s CP/M, isn't that true?
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    ac1234555
    16th Dec 2009
  • LOL really??
    You have to go back what 30 years to try to prove your point?? LOL thats just funny. Why not give an example in this millennia??

    The "Microsoft Disk Operating System" or MS-DOS was based on QDOS, the "Quick and Dirty Operating System" written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products, for their prototype Intel 8086 based computer. QDos did come from CP/M but it was different enough to be considered legal. MS did buy the rights to QDos for something like $50,000.
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    NoThomas
    16th Dec 2009
  • RE: Microsoft pulls beta of Chinese microblogging service; blames third-party developer
    Third Parties probably are to blame, but the reason third parties are being used so much nowadays is Microsoft's own fault.

    The staff cuts earlier this year have left the company desimated; teams are too small and barely able to function - the result is that more external contractors need to be called in to write code because MS just doesn't have enough people any more.
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    amaze.
    15th Dec 2009
  • Just a question
    How do you know that staff cuts earlier this year have left the company desimated, and teams are too small and barely able to function?
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    John Zern
    15th Dec 2009
  • "left the company decimated" - Utter nonsense
    Microsoft shed about 6500 (5%) heads in total out of a global workforce of around 96000 heads. They hardly "decimated" their teams.

    Some teams were indeed closed; typically those who were struggling to make enough money to make a difference to the company or its future (i.e. Encarta, Money, Flight Sim, etc.)

    Other orgs were consolidated and duplicate or redundant roles were eliminated.

    Whilst it's hard for anyone in any business to be affected by such action, it's prudent for any company to batten down the hatches during a major storm. Thus, MS acted responsibly by cutting heads that would help it weather this storm and strengthen its recovery.
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    de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023
    15th Dec 2009
  • Sorry, but I don't get it
    If you are on the MS payroll, you have an indefinite contract to do what MS tells you to do - produce MS software.

    If you are a so called contractor, you have a limited time/scope contract to produce MS software.

    In either case it is MS's responsibility to make sure that the SW does what it is supposed to do for the customer (functionality, lack of bugs etc.) AND to make sure it does not violate other people's intellectual property.

    Blaming someone else is just a pathetic attempt at deflecting responsibility as far as I am concerned. If you are paid by MS, directly or indirectly, to produce MS SW, that SW is MS's responsibility, full stop.

    This is just another sleazy aspect of the MS DNA.
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    Economister
    15th Dec 2009
  • It's like when you buy stuff made in China
    It's your fault that the companies that made it are polluting the planet. They may claim not to be but they are and you don't verify it and buy anyway. So it's your fault that toxic waste is being dumped in China. It's just another sleezy aspect of your DNA...
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    Johnny Vegas
    15th Dec 2009
  • This is Nothing unusual. Happens every day
    You would think that all IT would have a central vision and oversight. However, that is just not realistic. Once you get as big as the BIG BLUES and Softies, you have to rely upon others (employees and contractors) to follow your corporate guidelines. One big BLUE I know has compliance regulations out the wazzo, and has operations in China also. What they do in China is not reviewed daily, monthy or yearly and shouldn't have to be - that is what corporate regulations are for. No one walks around any major corporation looking in each line of code (especially beta code) searching for violations. Anyone that honestly expects any major company, with hundreds of thousands of employees and contractors, to catch every little undotted I, is naive. This especially happens in beta systems. Live with it. I have a slightly different opinion for production systems, but only slightly. It won't happen there either. Only people with nothing to do (which means they are on someone's list to be layed off) even have the time to find this type stuff in beta systems and code.

    JMHO
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    andrej770
    15th Dec 2009
  • Fine, but then.....
    just accept responsibility, don't try to blame someone else. If you decide that you cannot afford to review everything, if it blows up in your face, it is your responsibility. You hired them.
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    Economister
    15th Dec 2009

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