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Microsoft puts an 18-month cap on Windows 7 to XP downgrades

By | June 18, 2009, 6:21am PDT

Summary: Microsoft has gone public with a piece of its Windows 7 to XP downgrade guarantee that it refused to make official until yesterday: The end date. It appears the company is planning to allow volume licensees to downgrade to XP from Windows 7 until April 2011 at the latest.

Microsoft has gone public with a piece of its Windows 7 to XP downgrade guarantee that it refused to  make official until yesterday: The end date.

Volume licensees who buy Windows are provided automatically with guaranteed downgrade rights to previous versions of Windows. A Windows 7 volume licensee has the right to downgrade to Vista, Windows XP or other previous versions of Windows, according to Microsoft’s policies.

Earlier this year, Microsoft officials refused to confirm a report which claimed that the company planned to limit the length of time it would allow users to downgrade from Windows 7 to XP to six months after Windows 7 shipped. The leaked memo pegged that date at April 2010, which both Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard (the OEM mentioned in the memo) declined to confirm.

On June 17, however, Microsoft officials told Computerworld that the downgrade period during which users will be allowed to move from Windows 7 to XP is going to end, at the latest, in April 2011, which is 18 months after the October 22, 2009 general availability date for Windows 7.

A Microsoft spokesperson provided the publication with the following statement:

“Windows 7 Professional and Ultimate customers will have the option to downgrade to Windows XP Professional from PCs that ship within 18 months following the general availability of Windows 7 or until the release of a Windows 7 service pack, whichever is sooner, and if a service pack is developed.”

(Oh no! Here we go again with the “when and if a service pack is developed.” Forget the fact that there already have been sightings of what is believed to be early leaked SP 1 builds for Windows 7. Microsoft tried hide the fact that a Vista SP1 was in the wings; sadly, it looks like the same strategy will be in place with Windows 7 — in spite of the fact that many business users still use a first SP as a guideline for their deployment plans.)

Back to the 18-month cap. While many can’t imagine wanting or needing to downgrade from 7 to XP, for some business users, this ability is a necessity. A substantial number of businesses are still running XP and aren’t keen on making an abrupt or wholesale move to a brand-new operating system, especially before their custom line-of-business applications are certified as compatible.

I’m curious as to why Microsoft is capping downgrade rights with XP — other than for the obvious reason that it is trying to push users to move off of its eight-year-old operating system. I’ve asked the company for further comment and will add it to this post if and when I receive it.

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RE: Microsoft puts an 18-month cap on Windows 7 to XP downgrades
makrekdw3301-24353671497493523162074904004580 11th Nov
htbxzi,good post!
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You answered your own question.
ye Updated - 18th Jun 2009
I?m curious as to why Microsoft is capping downgrade rights with XP ? other than for the obvious reason that it is trying to push users to move off of its eight-year-old operating system. I?ve asked the company for further comment and will add it to this post if and when I receive it.

That's eight years right now. Come April 2011 Windows XP will be almost 10 years old and Windows Vista will be over four years old.

I think the expectation for Microsoft to continue making Windows XP available 10 years after it's release is getting way out of hand.

And, the reason for the limit is that it is
getting really embarrassing that MS customers
still use XP, and MS is trying to give gentle
pushes. Look for them to extend the deadline
though.
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??????
itpro_z 18th Jun 2009
Windows 7 won't even be available until Fall, so your statement is a bit premature.
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Lol, says who?...
NeoGeneration Updated - 18th Jun 2009
Windows 7 isn`t out yet, and except for the tech geeks, most people haven`t tried it yet. But since it is getting positive reviews almost everywhere, as opposed to Vista, which mostly got negative reviews, most people will prbably like it.
Even my GF, who partially hates Vista, likes windows 7 (but i`m not letting her use it as a main OS, it is still in beta testing)

So my dear sir, you fail at trolling.
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Oh Noes!!!!
Badgered 18th Jun 2009
But, the fact that so many still prefer XP over Windows 7 speaks volumes

They prefer a stable OS to one that hasn't even gone RTM yet. Now that's a shock. What was your first clue Sherlock?
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Source your facts....
JoeMama_z Updated - 18th Jun 2009
please show us the study re: Win7 vs. WinXP

Otherwise I'll just consider this one more notch in the DB belt of FUD shame.

ZDnet must pay well.
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My two cents
imkain@... 18th Jun 2009
I believe that a majority of people will
perhaps migrate to Windows 7 if they are pushed
by other elements, such as software packages
that require you to use Windows 7 instead of
Windows XP. Certain games can require that if
they need Direct X 10, or 11 when it comes out.
You have to feel bad for Microsoft, but
surprised at the same time. They actually made
an OS that everyone loves and wants to continue
using, and they don't want to use anything else
but XP. I'm sure with time that will change
with the benefits of using Windows 7 over
Windows XP, as well as software developers
pushing people to upgrade their old computers
for better, faster running machines.
MS has failed to release an OS that the vast majority of thier own users want and it has been 8+ years and still counting.

Have you guys stopped to think about that little fact?

Tell me again why MS is so great?

And don't even think about telling me all about market share because the only reason they still have market share has everything to do with two simple factors. All the MS loyal retarded IT people who are too afraid of change (effin sissy bois) and the fact that it cost some serious bucks to replace all those microcrud servers with xserves. (effin expensive)

But as far as the "Windows 7+ years in the making and its not that great" operating system, I fully expect MS to use the same tactics they used to get people off win95, win 98, and win2k... Neglect the OS and jack up the license fee. So yes, they will eventually bully people off XP, but it will come down to just that.

Tell me again why MS is so great?
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How can you tell me
Cylon Centurion 18th Jun 2009
That people don't want 7? It's not even released yet....

They may not want Vista. For one reason or another, Vista's tarnished image has kept the majority off of it. But Windows 7 has gotten nothing short of a standing ovation from most users testing it. Most of, if not, all of those people have no qualms about suggesting it to other users.

Microsoft wants users off of XP for a reason. Its itching to throw the product out the door, and though it may have extended its support, something I applaud them for doing, however they're not going to 'force' you to do anything. If you want to continue running XP, thats your own business, however, once April 2014 comes along, you're on your own...
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But by 2011
Cylon Centurion 18th Jun 2009
XP will be 10 almost 11 years old. Think about that from a CEO's perspective.

You're a technology company, that in order to stay relevant, needs to look towards the future... They don't care that you still use XP, however, don't expect them to support it.
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Prefer XP is perplexing
Richard Flude 18th Jun 2009
Agree that win7 isn't out yet, but Vista has been snubbed in the
enterprise. I had the unfortunate duty to hope on an XP machine the
other day (graphic driver issues and I was the only technical person
available). What a joke of an OS. That it is still being used in 2009 is
unbelievable.

Had a graphics designer start a few weeks ago. I recommended he go
Mac, we'd buy him a new one. He insisted on a PC. Come into work
today and he's got the cover open trying to isolate problems. I'd
estimate it has taken over 50% of his time to get the system to a
productive state, a goal not yet obtained. I sit back laughing. It's not
my money. He even continues to defend his a decision!
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Seven will be snubbed, too.
Captiosus 19th Jun 2009
Do you honestly think the minute Seven comes out, businesses are going to drop XP like a bad habit and go to Seven?

No.

There's an old business philosophy when it comes to MS products and upgrading: Wait until the first SP. In my career as a sysadmin for various employers, we've never, ever, migrated to a new Windows OS until at least one SP comes out and the OS is proven to be fully stable.

For business it's all about the ROI. ROI killed Vista because of the compatibility problems. No business was going to touch it. I hate to say it, but Seven suffers the same compatibility issues, only to a lesser degree. The foundation of Seven is still a stripped down Vista.

The only upsides to Seven are more modern hardware support (but even this is miniscule, I've yet to find a piece of hardware I couldn't install on XP Pro), more mainstream 64-bit availability (most business clients do NOT need 64-bit capabilities), and some increased security (not sure if BitLocker is going to be in Seven or not).

Once again, IT management are going to be looking at Seven, waiting for a SP, then calculating the ROI of switching. I've yet to see Microsoft make any case that Seven is substantially better for business than almost 10-year-old XP. I've yet to see anyone praising Seven talk about how business would immediately benefit from switching because, frankly, they won't benefit until the kinks are ironed out.
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except
rtk 19th Jun 2009
Vista wasn't snubbed, it had a massive FUD campaign, spearheaded by Apple, against it.

Thankfully (for MS) most businesses have clued in and started doing their own research, ignoring the nonsense coming out of the roughlydrafted's of the world.

The US army is moving to three quarters of a million machines to Vista by the end of the year, wanna tell us again what a huge failure it is? Maybe write a letter to your representative and tell them what an ROI drain Vista is?

It's time to face facts, the Anti-Vista campaign worked for a while, congrats on that. Unfortunately (for your post), those days are over, and Win7 will not succumb to the insanity coming out of the ABM camp.
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Wintel BSOD 20th Jun 2009
Vista wasn't snubbed, it had a massive FUD campaign, spearheaded by Apple, against it.

Riiight. And I had flying saucers land in my backyard, too... lol....:D

No, it's time Microshaft take some responsibility for their screw ups. After almost six years of development, it still wasn't ready to be released. Blaming the end user and the OEMs didn't advance their cause at all.

Thankfully (for MS) most businesses have clued in and started doing their own research, ignoring the nonsense coming out of the roughlydrafted's of the world.

On the corporate side where I work, only about 30% of the machines use Viista. The rest are still on XP. There's talk that they'll hang on to XP a while longer and wait for Win7, skipping Viista altogether. Not a bad thing. Not a bad thing at all.

The US army is moving to three quarters of a million machines to Vista by the end of the year, wanna tell us again what a huge failure it is? Maybe write a letter to your representative and tell them what an ROI drain Vista is?

Pretty dumb on their part, but I'm not surprised. I'm sure the enemy will hack into their systems shortly, so the only thing left for them to do is to fully embrace IIS servers and re-enable the USB ports.

more lol... grin

It's time to face facts, the Anti-Vista campaign worked for a while, congrats on that. Unfortunately (for your post), those days are over, and Win7 will not succumb to the insanity coming out of the ABM camp.

Too little, too late. Viista's days are over now that Win7 is around the corner. Serves them right for foisting an underachieving bloated piece of crap on the public, in the first place.

I really do hope Win7 is better. For Microshaft's sake.
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RE: XP Was/IS Best, Most Stable OS YET
STARTWYNKLES-58 19th Jun 2009
I have used every OS Microsoft ever released, and Vist is, next to Millennium the worst yet. Xp was, for me and many others a stable, dependable OS and that is the reason most of us--even home users who like me begged on our hands and knees not to be forced into Vista.
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XP still good choice as it works and has drivers
tbones.2 Updated - 19th Jun 2009
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what about flexible licensing model
p.vinnie@... 18th Jun 2009
MS releases new version of windows every few years. Every new version contains bulk of functionality. In between these major releases they have service packs and patches once in a while. Instead of delivering large number of changes every new version, they should deliver small number of changes going into new version but at smaller interval. Preferably every month. New release every month can be updated through automated process and should include new features, enhancements and bug fixes.

Business users can pay small fee on monthly basis instead of buying complete OS initially.

Existing applications should remain compatible for many years from their first development. This way busines IT departments will have confidence of upgrading to latest version of windows at any given moment.
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Existing applications should remain compatible for many years from their first development.

The problem is too many applications didn't follow Microsofts guidelines. Perhaps Microsoft should offer a binary compatability guarantee like the one Sun offers.
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Nightmare
Yensi717 18th Jun 2009
That would be a living hell for developers trying to ensure their software was compatible for each and every release (you know that one release three months ago has a problem that was introduced, but it's not in the version two months ago). Same goes for IT staffs. Doing testing on XP, Server versions, Vista, with the various combination of service packs (sometimes even .NET frameworks) is already a pain in the ass.
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not really sp1
zdanms 18th Jun 2009
The "Service Pack 1" builds of Win7 were just to test the servicing stack. They chose a base build like RC and then created service packs to newer builds (so instead of installing a newer build via upgrade, you could do it over Windows Update as a service pack). But the resulting install was equivalent to a regular pre-RTM Win7 build.
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Contributr
SP1
Mary Jo Foley 18th Jun 2009
Hi. Thanks for that info. I still think there will -- and should be -- an SP1 for Win 7. I think Microsoft should be clear about its plans in that regard and not leave business users with a "maybe there will/maybe there won't" kind of situation....MJ
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The Bottom Line is???
sykandtyed Updated - 18th Jun 2009
Take Kaiser Permenante Heakth Care as an example. They have several million PC's running XP/Pro in doctors examining rooms, health care sevices like X-Ray, MRI, department receptionist, surgery, nurse's stations.

What has Win7 got that they could possibly need at a cost that could easly exceed several million dollars to migrate?

What would that cost be for the health care consumer?

Even after XP expires, there has to be a real cost benifit to use Win7. And I don't see why any business would want to move, or consumers for that matter. Only because MS will only provide Win7 on new machines for consumers is just like Vista for long time users.

This is not the time for a new OS in the state of the economy.
By the time Windows 7 is released everyone has had plenty of time to test their apps work with it. Vista will have been out for nearly 3 years and Windows 7 Beta/RC for months too.
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I have Win 7 on a test computer here at work. Still like
XP better. Will still use XP at home. So far at work,
after the Vista debacle, where we went back to XP after
great expense going to Vista, will not be allowing Win 7
for the foreseeable future.
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So far at work, after the Vista debacle, where we went back to XP after great expense going to Vista, will not be allowing Win 7
for the foreseeable future.


Shouldn't be blaming Windows for the incompetence of your IT staff.
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mmmm yeah.... Windows is perfect so
deaf_e_kate 18th Jun 2009
it must be everyone elses fault. Cant blame Windows for anything.....
We should request that Richard Dawkins write the "Windows Delusion" or "Microsoft Delusion".....
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However it doesn't automatically install itself on all of your computers. If his company had a costly debacle then they didn't do, or don't know how to do, their jobs correctly.
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not a;ways true
Quebec-french 18th Jun 2009
when your boss who's the king of moron decided to migrate even of the chief it tell him other wise ..... you end up with a debacle ......

Its not always the staff ist sometime the decision taker that dont know shiit
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Be it the IT department, the CEO, managers, whomever. Who it was is not that important.
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You don't know what happened
Wintel BSOD 20th Jun 2009
I have Win 7 on a test computer here at work. Still like XP better. Will still use XP at home. So far at work, after the Vista debacle, where we went back to XP after great expense going to Vista, will not be allowing Win 7 for the foreseeable future.

Anything thing you say in response to this incomplete information is pure presumptive speculation on your part.

Unless one of your sock puppets wrote this in order to start a fight.
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That was a stupid statement man. In fact, if a company decides to ditch VISTA I would say they're doing the wise thing. My company's IT staff and management analyzed VISTA - yes used it as well - and basically vomited all over it. They won't let it come near any of our machines.

If you get excited about the pig that is vista, good for you though.
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...them back to XP.
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Ok. I see now.
nizuse 18th Jun 2009
However, could it be that the debacle was Vista?
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However, could it be that the debacle was Vista?

When changing operating systems there's always the chance you're going to have issues. A competent IT staff should do at least some of the following before rolling out a new OS: Evaluate, test, plan, troubleshoot, pilot, and selectively roll out. It seems none of this, at least not anything thorough, was done in this instance. Thus leading to a debacle.
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All the planning and testing in the world can't force a square peg into a round hole.

If Windows 7 is as square a peg as Vista to the round hole of the original poster's requirements, then calling his IT staff "incompetent" is just silly.
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@Zogg: Perhaps not.
ye 18th Jun 2009
But since they've demonstrated gross incompetence we can't be certain.
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What the OP was claiming
rtk 18th Jun 2009
is that it took a great deal of time and money before anyone said "holy shmokes boys, that there peg is sqwar"

That's a new level of incompetence
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@Captiosus
zkiwi 19th Jun 2009
You're still presuming without knowing anything of the facts of the asserted debacle.

Neither the timing of the Vista deployment or any other details were presented.
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XP Compatibility mode...
Captiosus 19th Jun 2009
You do realize one of the oft-lauded "features" of Seven is a better XP Compatibility mode, right?

Like even you said: In which case, why buy Vista. Or in this case, why buy Seven?
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Just a bullet on a feature sheet
SteveMak 19th Jun 2009
Windows 7's "XP Compatability Mode" is a lame attempt to reduce resistance. It's "Crippled XP", working on only one core (ignoring the rest), and it is not 100% compatible with XP.
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What does XP do better than Seven?
NeoGeneration 18th Jun 2009
Since you like XP over Seven, tell me, what does it do better than Seven?

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The Question Is...
sykandtyed 18th Jun 2009
what has 7 got that XP doesn't have that a business needs?
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Good question
Cylon Centurion 18th Jun 2009
Improved and better security and better support for newer hardware are the only two I can think of... I know its not much, but they are comparatively better than what XP offers.
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Another question...
bernalillo 18th Jun 2009
You question is dead on. On the other hand I am tired of ansking this question and getting no answer. Maybe I should be asking what operating system will meet my needs without busting may ass every year or two.

GM did this type of thing. Try to get people to buy the product they want to make not the product that people wanted. GM INVENTED planned obsolesence and look where they are today. Open source may not be ready for prime time in the work place but it is coming up while MS becomes more and more annoying and expensive to deal with.
Eventually those two will cross and MS will have a Big Blue experience.
The article mentions volume licensing being able to downgrade, then the next paragraph says Microsoft will limit the time that users will be allowed to downgrade. However the limit only applies to licenses received by buying a PC that comes with a Windows 7 license (something not explicitly stated or even implied in the article). Licenses acquired via volume licensing (of which software assurance is one type), can still be downgraded at any time.

Presumably the limitation of OEM license downgrades is nothing new from previous versions.
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Abrupt move?
mikegalos@... 18th Jun 2009
If switching away from a decade old operating system four years and two versions after it's been replaced is abrupt, I'd hate to see the vacuum tube based computers they're trying to run Windows XP on right now.
Windows 7 still is in transition, and service packs don't exist till release date, so anything you have heard about are SP's they are new releases or short term patches prior to release date and NOT Service Packs. Build 7260 is latest and I am still wowed by its speed and stability not to mention compatibility.
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You're using 7260?
Cylon Centurion 18th Jun 2009
Do these build still take RC keys? I'm itching to try it, but I don't wanna destroy my RC install if they don't.
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Wowed by..
Captiosus 19th Jun 2009
Yeah, the speed and the reduced memory usage is VERY, VERY nice. Compatibility is better, but still nowhere near as good as XP.

We still have some aging printers where I work. Vista doesn't support them. Neither does Seven. The printers work perfectly fine and the bean counters aren't willing to drop the coin to invest in new ones unless the old ones break beyond repair.

Since Seven doesn't play nice with them, Seven won't be in this company's future and I know, from experience, that there are a LOT of companies out there with the same type of situation.
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Post your printer models
rtk 19th Jun 2009
that don't have Vista drivers.
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RE: Microsoft puts an 18-month cap on Windows 7 to XP downgrades
makrekdw3301-24353671497493523162074904004580 11th Nov
htbxzi,good post!

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