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Microsoft Security Essentials or Forefront: Which should a Windows user choose?

By | September 14, 2009, 7:47am PDT

Summary: It’s been a while since Microsoft has shared any new information about its free antimalware offering, Microsoft Security Essentials (codenamed “Morro”). But the Softies are quietly setting the stage for the product, which is slated to launch before the end of the year.

It’s been a while since Microsoft has shared any new information about its free antimalware offering, Microsoft Security Essentials (codenamed “Morro”). But the Softies are quietly setting the stage for the product, which is slated to launch before the end of the year.

A quick refresher: MSE is the replacement for Windows Live OneCare and a superset of Windows Defender. Microsoft officials have said it is meant for consumers who are unwilling or unable to pay for security software. A number of Microsoft watchers are expecting the final version of MSE to debut in October, given that it is meant to work on XP, Vista and Windows 7 — and Windows 7 launches on October 22. More than 400,000 testers have downloaded the test version of MSE, according to Microsoft.

Microsoft has another client-based security offering, its Forefront Client package — which, as of early September, supported Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 (but not yet the server core offering). There’s a new version (part of its “Stirling” family), which is currently in its second beta release and expected to launch in final form in the first half of 2010. The final name for the new release will be  “Forefront Endpoint Protection 2010.”

While the core engine of MSE is the same as what’s in Forefront client, Forefront also provides security management capabilities that aren’t in MSE, such as group policy control, NAP integration and integrated host-firewall management. Unlike MSE, Forefront client is not free; Microsoft is selling the product for $12.72 per user or device per year, according to a chart on its Web site. (It’s not clear whether this also will be the price for the new version next year.)

Microsoft is pitching Forefront client as its security offering for business users of any size, from the smallest business to the largest enterprise. It is pitching MSE as being for consumers and not designed for business use.

Here’s Microsoft’s positioning chart, comparing the two offerings. (Click on it to enlarge.)


Forefront is one of Microsoft’s big bets, with the team launching over the next few months a variety of product and service updates. (Here’s a Microsoft-provided Forefront roadmap describing which components are coming when.)

Microsoft made the decision to combine its security and identity teams a year and a half ago, based on the realization that the majority of attacks (86 percent, according to Microsoft’s research) were happening at the application and data levels, rather than the operating-system level.

“We need protection to be more identity-aware, and access to be more security aware,” said John “JG” Chirapurath, a Director in Microsoft’s Identity and Security Business Group. The idea is “protect eveyrwhere and access anywhere, from on-premise or in the cloud.”

I continue to get a lot of questions about MSE pricing and availability from business users, leading me to wonder whether budget pressures might end up playing a big role in terms of which security product customers who plan to use Microsoft’s offerings end up choosing. Any business users out there testing MSE? Does its lack of management capabilities — or anything else about the product — make it a nonstarter for you?

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 25 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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RE: Microsoft Security Essentials or Forefront: Which should a Windows user choose?
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
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Free for business use?
aemarques@... 14th Sep 2009
Interesting... According to this table, MCE can be used in servers (2008 R2) and, since there is nothing in contrary, it seems that is also free for use by businesses - most of the other free offerings (Avast, AVG...) are only free for non-commercial use.
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One reader just sent me this via e-mail
Mary Jo Foley 14th Sep 2009
"Microsoft Security Essentials is NOT supported for businesses of any kind. Not only that, but it is licensed for consumer use only, and carries similar license wording to Office Home & Student. Commercial or for-profit institutions must pay for the software. AVG and Avast have similar licensing."

I will ask MSFT if he is right. For now, all I can say is the person who sent is a MS partner and usually has good info to pass along... MJ
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Windows 2008 R2 Support
dvm 14th Sep 2009
If that's the case, why in the third row of the table it mentions that Windows Server 2008 R2 is supported?
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It's not accurate
Joe_Raby 14th Sep 2009
MSSE is not supposed to be supported on servers. FCS is installable on file servers (only - not DC's, not TS's, not VM hosts, etc.), but both support Windows 7. The chart is a bit misleading because Win7 and Srv2008R2 is grouped together.

In fact, Windows Server 2008 R2 is NOT supported by FCS server components - only the client components (ie. the workstation agent). FCS server components require a 32-bit OS, and Server 2008 R2 is only available as 64-bit. The next version of FCS (Forefront Endpoint Security) will *probably* support Windows Server 2008 R2 as a server installation, but Microsoft hasn't announced system requirements so that's up in the air for now.
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For-profit
rseiler 14th Sep 2009
Does that imply that it's OK for non-profits?

Avira Free doesn't seem to be: "The Licensee may only use the Software for strictly private purposes. Institutes of education and public utilities are classed as commercial or business premises." AVG Free seems to agree: "The use of AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition within any organization or for commercial purposes is strictly prohibited."
I am currently beta testing MSE and it works quite well. I have had it stop malware from installing itself in real time and it does a good job scanning my computer. The interface is very simple. A good feature is that it will notify people to update the descriptor files more often, about every 3 or 4 days.
Appreciate your updated information MJ!

We here, having recommended Live One Care and all it's features to many of our small business clients, think that Microsoft has stubbed their toes once more. Twenty five of our clients have had one year subscriptions expire while awaiting MSE exiting beta. A high percentage of them were three to four year subscribers and quite dismayed that the program was discontinued in June '09. Many have chosen to purchase other Security Suites while Microsoft deliberates it's next move.

Our further opinion here:

http://techbuyer.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!58B676A515A4710!900.entry
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Until MCE is tested thoroughly against the top products from others, I'll continue to pay the minimal price for top-tier products and ignore Microsoft...
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Thought it had been
wolf_z 14th Sep 2009
In fact, I thought it passed the VB100. Or was that OneCare?

Either way, I'm testing it. I don't need anything on the clients except a good AV/antispyware/rootkit program (and to me all these *should* be caught by one program).

Give me the steak, hold the pricy gravy. happy
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You're right...
GoodThings2Life 14th Sep 2009
It was OneCare, but it's the same scanning/detection engine and definitions. Different interface.
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MSE vs. other products
Ross Snowden 14th Sep 2009
I'm using MSE and keeping my fingers crossed. I guess one just has to trust it as much as possible. If there's any "infection" going around, I would imagine we'd hear about it sooner or later - preferably sooner. I don't see why it should be any better or worse than any other solution out there.
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NOD32 is not the best
Joe_Raby 14th Sep 2009
In AV-Comparative's May testing, OneCare came out #2 in detections (only below Kaspersky) and #1 in false positives (having the least). NOD32 has slipped positions steadily since the review where OneCare was rated badly, and now OneCare came out on top.

The engine that they use in OneCare is the same as in Forefront Client Security, and the same in Microsoft Security Essentials, as are the definitions. They are all updated on par, daily. Even Defender, which is only antispyware, has the same antispyware definitions as the others. So if OneCare scores highest overall (Kaspersky was very bad in false detections), so is MSSE, and so is FCS.
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Not quite
rseiler 14th Sep 2009
The May test was only the second half of the testing. The first half came in February. Each test was for different aspects: May being the "proactive" test, meaning newish threats, while February was established threats. It did horribly for detection there.
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Avira is the best
DSolution 28th Dec 2009
If I am not mistaken Avira is the best product on the market today. I believe that Avira posted #1 in the last 5 test done on av-comparatives.org, very low in footprint, picks up a lot of malware and built with AHeAD Technology. Free version does not cover web protection. You get what you pay for. Give it a try and you won't be disapointed
I'm testing MSE on several personally owned, non-domain PCs. I'm very satisified with its operation, particularly the small footprint and unobtrusive operation. However, the lack of management features will keep me from using it in the business where I manage about 30 client PCs. I need to be able to easily verify that the AV on the client PCs is running and up to date, and MSE isn't made for that.

I'd be interested in hosted Forefront, or a version sized appropriately for small business. Last time I looked into Forefront, it seemed more appropriate for enterprise than small business.
Search BING "MSE head to head with Nod32" the second entry comments that the beta caught a Trojan Downloader NOD32 missed. If pre-beta can do that then I'm sure the final version will be able to do more. At a cost of free and a super small footprint and not restricting the life out of your computer I would have to say is a very big plus.
Mary Jo, Do you know if they plan on creating a MSE Firewall. I too used OneCare and it was great for Antivirus and Firewall. This is only one part of the bundle.
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Forefront Endpoint Protection? Sounds like...
jmiller1978 Updated - 14th Sep 2009
Symantec Endpoint Protection. MS might want to consider a name change being that this would be a competing product.

On another note, I've been a beta tester of MSE on Windows 7 and as a prior owner of OneCare, I love MSE. The small footprint and exclusion of an extra firewall and backup solution is great.
If I understand Forefront, it requires a dedicated server (which currently can't be 64-bit), running SQL Server. That seems unlikely to work for very small businesses, 25 desks or less. Too much management and cost for too little reward. I expect MSE to be a big hit for very small offices.

Bruce Berls
www.bruceb.com/news
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I have used other Security programs in
the past - including Live One care.
After months of using MSE, I would rate
it one of the best on the market - it's
small, simple to use, and definitely
gets the job done.
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Other free antiviruses
travellingpolander 14th Sep 2009
Looking outside the box (M$), how do we see other antiviruses, especially "free antiviruses?" Yes, I think alot of us would rather use those "free antiviruses," but given the EULA that comes with each - what can we say (other than our homes), are they also free to use in our offices?
Here's a link to the license for MSSE. It specifically permits you to install the program on devices in your home or home business. It makes no restriction to non-profits and it does not prohibit any other uses, say in a non-home business. INAL, your mileage may vary.

http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/eula.aspx#mainNav

My question is will it work on Windows Home Server?
So I read the Forefront evaluation page at MS. Have I got this right? Do I have to be running an MS Server with SQL 2005?

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/cc339029.aspx

Do they not make a version I can just install on one machine? What if I have a non-home office of 5-10 users what do I install? I'm not going to buy and run an MS server with MSSQL just to get AV protection. I don't need reporting, Susan just yells across the room, "Hey Bob, I just got a virus." What is their SMB offering (if they have one).
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Don't see an SMB offering
Stevadson 8th Oct 2009
Apparently, nothing from Microsoft. But then, their definition of "small" is not mine.

My example firm is a law practice, 1-3 attorneys with associated legal secretaries and maybe a receptionist/bookkeeper/office manager. Two to ten PCs total, may not have a server, certainly won't spring for SQL license required for Forefront. Comfortable price point is about the cost of single-user commercial AV products ($30-$50 per machine per year). Users won't bother with the hassle of individually updating their products and generally won't pay any attention to warning messages unless they absolutely can't get their work done. This makes simple central management/reporting/enforcement a big plus.

I've always had problems finding acceptable software for this space, malware protection or otherwise.

Currently, for 3 to 4 machines and up, I've found Symantec Endpoint Protection 11 to work moderately OK, with caveats (nothing before 11.0.42.02 MR4 MP2, no network threat protection, spend time tweaking settings for best performance, etc.). Only problem is that minimum license purchase is 5 users, so when that 6-person firm adds a seventh employee they're stuck.

For firms with 2 to 4 machines, I do the best we can with single-user products. At least the multi-packs make the subscription renewals easier.
Mary Jo, I can confirm the information that was sent to you and that makes this a non-issue. The EULA of Security Essentials states that the product is only licensed for home users or small businesses that are home based.
Here is what MS says about Business use of MSE:
Microsoft Security Essentials is available for small businesses with up to 10 PCs. If your business has more than 10 PCs, you can protect your computers with Microsoft Forefront Endpoint Protection.
So it can be used for a small business without any licensing issues.
Cheers, Roberto
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