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Microsoft to start phasing out its NNTP newsgroups

By | May 4, 2010, 6:32am PDT

Summary: Microsoft is holding an online meeting on May 4 on the topic of Windows Community. I’m wondering whether there might be an agenda item on the company’s decision to discontinue its NNTP newsgroups.

Microsoft is holding an online meeting on May 4 on the topic of Windows Community. I’m wondering whether there might be an agenda item on the company’s decision to discontinue its NNTP newsgroups.

NNTP newsgroups have been Microsoft’s primary public support forums for its products and technologies for over a decade. I heard recently from a couple of my sources about Microsoft’s intent to get users weaned from those public newsgroups and onto Microsoft forums, like Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN instead.

Microsoft has told some of its community members that the existing newsgroup platform (NNTP) is running on an outdated version of Microsoft Exchange that is past its end-of-life support date, making spam, troll-management and synchronization difficult. Company officials also are playing up the new Web-based forums’ ability to provide centralized searchable content and to highlight the contributions of designated experts.

Word is Microsoft is planning a phased approach, first eliminating newsgroups with less traffic, according to my sources. Microsoft is providing users with dedicated NNTP readers with a bridge client to help ease the move.

Update: Microsoft confirmed the NNTP newsgroup news a few hours after I posted this entry. Here’s the statement from a spokesperson:

“On June 1, Microsoft will be progressively  closing newsgroups and helping active newsgroups users migrate their discussions to the refreshed Microsoft forums that include Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN.  This decision was made in an effort to provide the best community and support resources and experience to our customers with social features and functionalities that address their feedback and needs.”

I’m also wondering whether Microsoft will use today’s online community meeting to share more information about the company’s TechSupport Marketplace — a complement to the Microsoft Answers forum that Microsoft began testing late last year. TechSupport Marketplace is an online tech-support forum that will be staffed by paid “independent experts.”

I see Microsoft’s move away from NNTP as yet more evidence of the growing social-networking emphasis across the company. Anyone going to miss the old forums (besides trolls and spammers)?

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RE: Microsoft to start phasing out its NNTP newsgroups
skywin 26th Oct
Microsoft Exchange that is past its end-of-life support date, making spam, troll-management and synchronization difficult. Company officials also are playing up the new Web-based forums??? ability to provide centralized searchable content and to highlight the contributions of designated experts.
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RIP NNTP
jamiet 4th May 2010
I'm no fan of NNTP and can't wait to see the back of it, I know that some of my MVP brethren disagree however. Kudos to MSFT for providing the NNTP bridge which will go part way to appeasing those who want to stick with their NNTP newsreaders.
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@jamiet Newsgroup forum s are an excellent way to disseminate sohbet information, unfortunately, they are also a breeding ground for trolls and chat . I'm tired of having to wade through portal of rants from peurile trolls in order to find valuable izlesene information.
Newsgroups, while needing more work on the chat sohbet part of the moderators, will become much more sohbet odalari useful.
I'm going to miss any USENET group that goes poof (OK, maybe not alt.vampires.*). It's one thing to get all social-media-ey if you mean controlling every aspect of how your members communicate, via your website; its quite another to dump an open, freely available and publically vetted collaboration platform in favor of said control.

USENET has had its day, but nobody can say it wasn't social media before social media was cool(and profitable), and nobody could keep you off it if they didn't like what you had to say.

That said, MSFT has been a great supporter of USENET, so kudos for that.
As long as the support is provided somewhere, I do not really see the harm in letting MS decide how to present it. The only problem I have is that these decisions are never driven by the technologies, sadly, there is usually a hidden agenda, and usually that agenda is just more of the same as usual. I would not be surprised , given the recent and long term history though, if the answer most commonly presented from the so called "experts" is to upgrade to the latest product. When you start seeing that one over and over you will know this is a marketing decision , like it usually is, and will probably have little to do with the reasons they give for changing.
...which is a far better way to filter SPAM and
other unwanted comments, which others may want
to see.

The open nature of NNTP also means that
independent comments are viewable, as well, so
when Microsoft says, for example, to upgrade to
the newest version of Exchange Server, someone
else can chime in with different advice and
still be heard.

Yes, I'm going to miss the newsgroups.
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No kill file on web based forums
GrumpyOldMan 4th May 2010
I will miss the ability to add the morons in the forum to my newsreader kill file.
The move to NNTP was driven by the desire to get away from Compuserve for beta support. An authenticated NNTP for some beta customers discussing beta support issues.

Connect eventually took over that charter. I am amazed that NNTP continued to have the overwhelming support that it did. This change is not a lot different than other community & reputation based communication forums.
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It's about time!
Dave@... 4th May 2010
Newsgroup forums are an excellent way to disseminate information, unfortunately, they are also a breeding ground for trolls and spammers. I'm tired of having to wade through dozens of rants from peurile trolls in order to find valuable information.
Newsgroups, while needing more work on the part of the moderators, will become much more useful.
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Usenet used to be fun
Daddy Tadpole 4th May 2010
I hate proprietary forums where you have to register, and then go thru a tedious procedure to recover your forgotten username & pw.
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the problems are, for anybody that spends time in newsgroups answering questions / participating in betas are:

1. no easy way to find all of your posts. using nntp, they're all in the sent items. god luck with the forum's search capabilities.
2. no way to save posts. using nntp, a post can be dragged into a folder of your choice. what do you do, drag links to a folder?
3. related to #2. no way to search saved posts. how do you search links for keywords?
4. the speed of the web based forums is slow. why do they use all of the transition effects? who cares about them, just open the posts and be done with it.
5. cannot view near as many headers in the web based forums, it's limited by how many microsoft thinks it should display.

that's enough for now.
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Spam
Bitzie 4th May 2010
I find it a tad ironic that in a series of posts that comment about spam in newsgroups that there's a spam on zdnet.

The spammers nail web properties just as much as they did nntp.
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They can't delete negative statements from Usenet and that upsets them to no end.
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I think discussion groups should routinely be incorporated into Windows applications' help systems, having rich client user experiences. It would give applications' help systems a social element, and lead to richer, more rewarding user experiences. It would lead to better advertising click through rates; it could lead to innovations not easy to do on the web, e.g. setting up add in / services stores. And it would of course skew users habits to stay in, and value Windows applications over the browser.

I wished MS had a policy of its own programmers skewing users towards Windows applications, and away from the browser. I'm sure MS would make much more money doing so, and it would add (instead of take away) value from Windows. It would also set an example for its developer community on how to build applications. MS could always release bare bones subsets of newsgroup discussion data onto the web for universal access.

It is so disappointing to see MS developers lazily throwing valuable MS assets onto the web, rather than utilizing to in such a way, to better monetize it, and increase the value of Windows.
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Anyone want to create NEW Groups?
tfl@... 5th May 2010
I am a member of the Big-8 Mangement Board that looks after the Big-8 Newsgroups.

With MS pulling out, I am only too happy to help anyone who wants to create new Big-8 groups to replace the ms ones that will shortly go away.

Email me at doctordns{at}gmail.com if you want to take this forward.
I will definitely miss them! MS's private NNTP support newsgroups were much less prone to spam, etc., than the myriad of public ones (and even some of those get little spam). The more popular ones had too much traffic to get the kind of continuing support, beginning to end of a problem, that one sometimes needed. But the smaller ones, especially under the Windows Defender banner (e.g., m.p.s.s. announcements), have had the feel of "community" and a relaxed friendliness, if not faceless intimacy. They've also allowed helpful posts noting other-brand security updates (SAS, MBAM, etc.), which will probably be considered off topic or segregated in MS's forums.
I will definitely miss them! MS's private NNTP support newsgroups were much less prone to spam, etc., than the myriad of public ones (and even some of those get little spam). The more popular ones had too much traffic to get the kind of continuing support, beginning to end of a problem, that one sometimes needed. But the smaller ones, especially under the Windows Defender banner (e.g., m.p.s.s. announcements), have had the feel of "community" and a relaxed friendliness, if not faceless intimacy. They've also allowed helpful posts noting other-brand security updates (SAS, MBAM, etc.), which will probably be considered off topic or segregated in MS's
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