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Microsoft to tweak 'compatibility view' with next IE 8 test build

By | December 4, 2008, 9:42am PST

Microsoft is planning to make further tweaks to the “compatibility view” feature in Internet Explorer (IE) 8 when it releases the next public test build in early 2009.

Microsoft officials announced the new IE 8 compatibility-view plans via the IEBlog in a December 3 posting. The details from the post:

“When users install Windows 7 Beta or the next IE8 update, they get a choice about opting-in to a list of sites that should be displayed in Compatibility View. Sites are on this list based on feedback from other IE8 customers: specifically, for what high-volume sites did other users click the Compatibility View button? This list updates automatically, and helps users who aren’t web-savvy have a better experience with web sites that aren’t yet IE8-ready.”

This list of sites will be based on worldwide tester feedback data and product support channels, according to the blog post. Updated versions of the list of sites that should be run in Compatibility View will be distributed regularly via Windows Update. Microsoft is planning to contact owners of the sites on the list to try to encourage them to update their sites so they display correctly in IE 8.

Microsoft’s IE Program Manager Scott Dickins, the author of the post, acknowledged what I and others have seen in our IE 8 Beta 2 usage: “A lot” of Web sites are not rendering correctly in IE 8’s default “Super Standards” mode. Many highly trafficked Web sites were optimized for previous, less-standards-compliant versions of IE and don’t display correctly with IE 8, as Microsoft and developers expected.

Dickins noted that at least one other browser vendor — Opera Software — is employing a similar approach

“IE8 is not the first browser to consider making website compatibility fixes for specific highly trafficked sites. Opera has ‘a feature that allows Opera to automatically fix incompatible Web pages.’ It’s ‘automatically distributed by Opera Software ASA, and can be used to apply fixes to specific Web sites.’”

The final version of IE 8 is due for release in2009, not by the end of this year as Microsoft officials stated previously.

I’ve been having trouble viewing key sites like Yahoo Mail — and even the newly unveiled Microsoft home.live.com page –  with IE 8 Beta 2. I’m figuring these might be on the compatibility view list. What other sites have you had problems viewing in standards mode with IE 8?

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RE: Microsoft to tweak 'compatibility view' with next IE 8 test build
homeioy2801-24353667213956635061906213701599 Updated - 11th Nov
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If that is the case, why is one part of MS pushing loose adherence to web standards, and another part of MS pushing strict adherence to web standards?
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Basically, no
The-Bytemaster 4th Dec 2008
Silverlight integrates with websites using standard tags for embedding either object plugins (similar to flash, quicktime, etc.) or using Script tags the way JavaScript does, but specifying a different script type.

It is the rest of the page that and javascript that needs to be compliant. Silverlight should have little impact to this.
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P. Douglas 4th Dec 2008
I guess that means for some people: proprietary extensions are fine, so long they are done in an approved way.
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One other thing ...
P. Douglas Updated - 4th Dec 2008
... wouldn't it be simpler for MS to Open Source IE's code for reading IE proprietary extensions, so that competitors like Opera can use them; then just have web sites flag browsers that the sites were built in super standards mode? That way all browsers can default to compatibility mode, and automatically switch to super standards mode whenever they encounter the flag.
"wouldn't it be simpler for MS to Open Source IE's code for reading IE proprietary extensions"

This sounds like you're referring to open sourcing the way that IE hosts ActiveX controls? This doesn't need to be open sourced since ActiveX/COM/OLE are documented technologies, and any app can host ActiveX controls.

I'm sure that open sourcing the entire layout engine will never happen -- what other parts of Windows or any other Microsoft commercial product are open source? Plus I'm sure the code is just nasty.
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OK ...
P. Douglas Updated - 4th Dec 2008
... couldn't MS simply document how it handles IE proprietary extensions? If the above is possible, couldn't Open Source developers use the documentation to create Open Source code which could be used by competing browsers?
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Open Source the whole thing
markbn 4th Dec 2008
Some years ago I disagreed harshly with the idea that
MS should share their IE code with competitors. This
happened in the anti monopoly trial days when nasty
companies such as Sun wanted to get a hand into IE
code giving stupid reasons and no credible open source
alternative to IE existed. FF did not exist and
Mozilla browser, despite the rabid claims of open
source zealots, was a slow, bloated, buggy and
insecure browser. Opera was fast and had a lot of
features but unpopular.

However, things have changed. Open source FF and
webkit-based browsers are giving IE a run for its
money. IE is no longer the "superior" browser that it
was at the time when the (almost) only competitor was
the biggest mess of all time: Netscape Communicator.
Open source browsers are now faster than IE and have
some features that IE lacks (JIT JS compilation for
instance). Plus IE market share is sliding.

I see now very few reasons for MS to not "open source"
the whole thing. That may even allow them to include
other browser's features without violating any
license!!

Maybe copyright issues are preventing this to happen.

At any rate, who cares?
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...there are some at MS that are pushing open source as well. I don't see what would stop MS from open sourcing something they don't charge for anyway. And you're right, then they could more easily adopt other standards and rendering components as well. Will it happen? Probably not. But you can bet there's some at MS pushing for it.
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There was a reason in the past
markbn 4th Dec 2008
"I don't see what would stop MS from open sourcing
something they don't charge for anyway"

The other browsers were not match for IE (sounds silly
in retrospect but that was the reality) and competitor
could copy their code or ideas and obfuscate them a
little bit. Now, I seriously disbelief somebody is
going to copy anything from IE's code. There are very
good open source alternatives nowadays.

But yes, it probably won't happen soon or at all.
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Best course of action
P. Douglas Updated - 4th Dec 2008
As I see it, the best thing MS can do is help its competitors (if they want it) deal with IE proprietary extensions / technologies, in the form of specifications, Open Source code, or whatever. MS and everyone else should then move forward, and MS should hope that the European Commission buys into this. It is highly unrealistic for the IE team to think that most of the web (or even 5% of it), which use extensions of various kinds, will convert to super standards at the encouragement of MS or anyone else. (I have two web blogs that use IE extensions, and I have no intention of investing several hours, trying to figure out how to make them super standards compliant.)
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Another reason
A.Sinic Updated - 5th Dec 2008
One objection to not open-sourcing something is when you want to provide support for it to Enterprise customers. If you go open-source, someone is able to take your product, tweak it a little bit, and pretend it is still "essentially the same thing". That can make it confusing for users, and a bastard for a poor support engineer to work out what is happening.

Also, as soon as you go open-source you are very hampered in innovation, simply because of the need to document what you are changing and how it impacts derivative versions. Change something for a good reason, and others may cry foul if it means they have to do some work to remain compatible.

Open source has it's merits, but it has a variety of downsides, many of which have little to do with hiding away secrets or patents.

If open source was a power-house of innovation, it would be the only thing out there. But despite the huge efforts going into it, as a development model it rarely manages to do more than stay a few paces behind the innovations coming from the traditional software houses.

Personally, I would love to see something radically new and exciting come from the brainpower of the FOSS movement. I started working on Unix systems in the early 1980s, and the changes of the underlying systems since then have really been incremental rather than great leaps. Yes, the UI has moved on quite a bit, but not enough.
Microsoft is making a good browser better. The ability to choose compatibility modes in IE will make it a very viable choice for users and web developers.
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mario.albertico 4th Dec 2008
It works a lot better now, but the IM tool still doesn't work perfectly. It never closes!
That is a small but very good thing to do, it will save users quite a number of clicks and a few headaches
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RE: Microsoft to tweak 'compatibility view' with next IE 8 test build
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