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Microsoft wants to index all the world's information, too, with Fact Index

By | April 18, 2011, 8:10am PDT

Summary: Microsoft’s Fact Index project is designed to “index every database in the world and expose it in a structured, strongly typed fashion,” according to the LinkedIn profile of the head of the project.

Google has made no bones about its not-so-modest intention to “organize the world‘s information and make it universally accessible and useful.”

It turns out, unsurprisingly, Microsoft has similar ambitions and is planning to “index every database in the world and expose it in a structured, strongly typed fashion.”

Microsoft is planning to achieve this lofty goal via the Fact Index. Chris Anderson, a Senior Development Lead on the Live Search Developer team, is leading the Fact Index project (according to Anderson’s LinkedIn profile). Anderson describes the Fact Index this way:

“The fact index is Live Search’s next generation platform for serving structured data. The goal of this team is simple: index every database in the world and expose it in a structured, strongly typed fashion. The first iteration of the fact index allows anyone with an XML feed (schema not required) and some sample queries to contribute to search relevance without even writing any code. Subsequent iterations will include querying across multiple data sources, aggregating, merging, and deduping data from multiple providers, and a host of other hard information retrieval problems.”

(Note: This Chris W. Anderson is not the same Chris Anderson who was an architect on the Windows Client Platform team working on Avalon, a k a Windows Presentation Foundation. Prior to working on Fact Index, Chris W. Anderson worked on Encarta, according to his bio, where he helped with “CD product, content management sysetm, SQL DBA, web service, web site.”

Anderson’s LinkedIn profile still uses the “Live Search” terminology, rather than “Bing.” His profile notes that  he’s been working on Fact Index since 2005…  When I asked a Microsoft spokesperson for more information on Fact Index and Anderson’s work on it, I was told that the “Live Search” reference was nothing other than Anderson not updating his LinkedIn profile. The spokesperson didn’t comment at all about Fact Index.

In other Microsoft search news, comScore’s U.S. search-share data for March is out. Google Sites led the U.S. explicit core search market in March with 65.7 percent market share (up 0.3 percentage points from February 2011), followed by Yahoo! Sites with 15.7 percent (down 0.4 percent) and Microsoft sites with 13.9 percent (up 0.3 percentage points). That means the combined MicroHoo (Microsoft + Yahoo) U.S. search share dropped slightly between February and March, from 29.7 percent, to 29.6 percent.

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 25 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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Mary Jo Foley has covered the tech industry for 25 years for a variety of publications, including ZDNet, eWeek and Baseline. She has kept close tabs on Microsoft strategy, products and technologies for the past 10 years. In the late 1990s, she penned the award-winning "At The Evil Empire" column for ZDNet, and more recently the Microsoft Watch blog for Ziff Davis.

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RE: Microsoft wants to index all the world's information, too, with Fact Index
homeioy3501-24353673204260071837977457723365 10th Nov
kszsdn,good post!
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What about Microhoo revenue?
HollywoodDog 18th Apr 2011
Does Microsoft collect search revenue from Yahoo? What percent?
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M$ and 'fact index' do not match!
Linux Geek Updated - 18th Apr 2011
M$ is an incompetent and a liar, so the 'fact index' will be either useless either full of lies and BS!
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ItsTheBottomLine Updated - 19th Apr 2011
It's the same old arguement that the linux geeks uses blah blah blah no wonder they don't have much of a life... move on, get a life seriously.....

btw Gates has given away over $30 billion out of his own pocket, not microsofts pocket, how much has the whole linux community combined given???? sweat F all.
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What is the criteria for a database to be indexed and exposed? I thought certain databases were private (paid subscription social sites) or protected under Federal Regulation (HIPPA).
@jimcooperftl@...

There won't be any privacy. This is due to greedy companies selling your personal information, and not compensating you for it.

It's all about the money.

Let's pass a law that says no one is allowed to make ANY money off of the indexing. Then see just how fast they can the idea.

Note: even if they want tin index everything, many sites won't allow it due to pricing and their own version of privacy. They would just block the bots and crawlers.

Using an HTTPS is another way around the privacy issues since no one is supposed to see the transaction between you and the other party.

Too bad the entire Internet can't be this way (HTTPS).

PS what if the information they call a fact isn't a fact? Would Microsoft then be fully liable?
@zolar_1@...
I hope if this goes forward that more than one company does it to the same standard. Otherwise MS will find a way to charge us for any information.
I think we need an internet law that states if someone knowingly post a non-fact without stating so should be liable for any and all damages to anybody or company. Rather it be a cause of physical damage or damage to a persons reputation.
@jimcooperftl@... I know HIPPA is still protected under federal regualation. Anyone found getting personal info from patients will be in deep!
@ClaudeRenaud
In English. In 20 years: In Chinese.
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Bing
davidr69 18th Apr 2011
Since Bing has been so "successful", MS has decided to move onto bigger and better things. Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
Why don't they just index their website better so I can find something easily with their search, instead of my having to rely on Google to find the info inside Microsoft's web site?
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Broken MS Links
AGBowlin 18th Apr 2011
@dan@... rofl .. I couldn't agree more! I hate always running into broken links on their site. It's ridiculous.
@dan@... Here Here. I am with you on that one.
@dan@...
Seriously agree. Every tried to use their MS Partner website.
Structured by a 4yr old having a temper tantrum throwing overly large graphic images at a screen and being told how pretty it looks - yeah maybe but functional definetely not.

MS concentrate on the OS and make that better. Leave the utilities to the utility companys.
Terry
Am I the only one who thinks this sounds like the "Fact Zone" from the Onion News Network?
What is "strongly typed"? Hitting the keyboard really hard?
This is InforWarfare. Both Google and M$ want to transform known fact into imaginarist fantasy, to be dished out as official versions for public consumption. Crap idea - nobody wants it - nobody believes it.
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There can be only...........
rickzdnet1 18th Apr 2011
There can be only one! Larry & Sergey
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Index Non-Cached Exchange Mailbox
randy_scadden@... 18th Apr 2011
Hell I'd just be happy if they could index my non-cached copy of my Exchange mailbox. I have to use a third party tool like Google Desktop to do that though.
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Facts?
AGBowlin 18th Apr 2011
And who will decide what is a fact and what isn't?
I think it is old information. Pulling something from old database and creating noise seems like a waste of time to me. Let him breathe and live a better personal life rather than forcing him to update his linked in profile. Live Search, 2005, these are more than enough to prove that its nothing related to current project.
@animageofmine1
I couldn't agree more. Exactly what's the point of creating a database of databases I can already access.
Will it be as well organized as M$'s unhelpful help files?
I don't claim to know everything about computers and IT but way too often I see M$ make a statement about aspect of it (that I do know about) it turns out to be either, inaccurate, incomplete, misleading or, otherwise a a blatant lie. Better they stick with what they do best: Make mediocre eye candy software products that are overpriced.
And Goggle and MS have no right to evade peoples privacy like this and set people up for ID theft. Both can sit on these communist ideas. I bet Google and MS owners and personnel would never allow all their info be allowed to be on the web. Look what Facebook has done for people getting into college, keeping jobs and the like. Plus the fact of ID theft and making everything accessible to every thief in the world cause they cannot say that people that they do not want to have access to the info will never ever be able to get into it.
Well, Microsoft, the description (especially querying across multiple data sources) is federated searching, the basic concept of which was patented by WebFeat (aka Pacific Knowledge Systems). Of course, I wrote federated search code in 1985/86 to search across disparate databases in a VAX supermini cluster at IMC's research library in Terre Haute....so this is "old hat" and MS is once again a day late and a pound short! Don't believe me? Call me at 540-689-1771 or gcurran@rhcc.com.
Well, well, well....a day late and a pound short again...."queries across data sources"....this is federated searching...basics of this field were patented by WebFeat (aka Pacific Knowledge Systems)....and of course, back in 1985/86 I wrote a federated search engine in DCL to search a tDBMS data file (Inmagic) and an rDBMS (Boeing) for the research team at IMC's R&D center in Terre Haute, IN....don't believe me? Call me at 540-689-1771 or send me a note at gcurran@rhcc.com. Nothing new ever came out of MS....
Everyone's going crazy about an article showing some pretty outdated facts... Did anyone read about Mary-Jo's source? A LinkedIn profile dating back to 2005. Hello?
Everybody, before going ballistic on Microsoft, let's just start by looking at the facts!
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The work of Chris W. Anderson
alfred@... 19th Apr 2011
I hope he has improved since the first Encarta. I bought it and after a short while I returned it for a refund. In British parlance it was not of merchantable quality. I quickly found three really serious mistakes which any competent editing should have found. Microsoft acknowledged that they were wrong on these items.
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THIS IS NOT A NEWS STORY!
marketingweb 19th Apr 2011
I can't believe ZDNET thinks this is a news story, they must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel.

If you read the article properly, you will notice that there has NOT been an announcement of any kind. All there is a linkedin profile of an obscure Microsoft employee working in a minor non core area of the business. Apparently he has been working on a particular project since 2005, yet we haven't heard anything about it at all other than this linkedin profile! And to top it off, this same profile is described as so out of date that Live Search hasn't been changed to Bing!

So in summary - Mary Jo of ZDNET found a vague reference to a 2005 era Microsoft project on an out of date Linkedin profile, and this is somehow news right now in 2011? Give me a break!
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Mary Jo Foley 19th Apr 2011
Hi. Yes, As I note in the post, this is an old profile. I mention that it still refers to Live Search. What I find interesting is MS wouldn't comment on it. If it's a defunct project, wouldn't you say that when responding? I can't tell from the LinkedIn profile if Fact Index is still ongoing or if it has morphed into something else. Any ideas? MJ
There is already a number of indexes all the world's information.
One is called Google, one is called Yahoo
and there is one that Microsoft have forgotten about called Bing.
The more the better, as they have different methods, different attitudes about things, and neither one is really 100% trustworthy to everyone. Good Marks on M$ for such a project, IF they do it well and equal Google at it. Now we need Apple to throw in, or someone else large who likes to catalogue information and freely give it (I always say nothing is free - I suppose in exchange for having ads on the page, that seems to be the mechanism, OK), for balance and redundancy.
Typical M$ - copy someone else years later. And with M$'s utter lack of security, I wouldn't *any* info held by them. M$ is just untrustworthy.
@ zolar - I LIKE your thinking!

BTW, 'Linux Geek' - maybe you should change your monniker to "stupid_troll". That way you won't be associating your incredible ignorance with people who actually use Linux productively. I guess I should get in a dig here - (although I actually LIKE Linus Torvalds AND work on a Linux distribution). "Damm, those Finns are good at knocking off products". Implying, of course, that just like the Soviet Tupolev Tu-4 and the B-29 Superfortress, Linux (and FreeBSD) trample heavily on the intellectual property of Unix. (aka reverse-engineering, not a bad thing and probably a realistic necessity, and thus a reason to dismantle the DMCA)

For myself - I have one word for this newly announced MS goal and its proclaimer - 'hubris'. The same goes for Larry.

~tada~

Now to do something productive...
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A World of Facts
wmyers822 19th Apr 2011
Who's doing the "Fact Checking?"
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Making more info more easily accessible is a great endeavor when done with honorable intentions however that?s NOT what Microsoft is doing.

The problem is that the "Corporate" person (yes a corporation is classified as a person per Supreme Court ruling , this is why corporations get "rights" that were originally reserved for real people who are legal citizens of this country ) is a person without morality and therefore allows for those behind the fake person called the corporation to do as they please without regret or repercussion and without legal recourse so long as they have the right connections (see Goldman Sachs and 2008 Derivatives fiasco) .

Therefore you can bet your last fake paper dollar (called a Federal Reserve Note) that if Microsoft can do this they will use it for marketing to sell products and the crackers will come in soon after and use it for identifty theft.


ARTICLE CORRRECTION: Actually it is possible for entities to get supposedly HIPPA protected info so long as they have the right connections in the Federal Government and no one except for the media seems to think this doesn?t happen on a regular basis and is just conspiracy talk.
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Wolfram Alpha?
bbzippo 19th Apr 2011
This sounds similar to what Wolfram Alpha has been doing. Since we already see results from Alpha in Bing search, can we speculate that this project is somehow related to Alpha?
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Hahaha!
jolumoar 19th Apr 2011
Joke or vaporIndex?
I'm amazed there has not been more of an uproar. However, don't think all the messages that have been deleted will be indexed. Just like books and history being re-written, the same will be done with what is available on the Internet. We will see only what is to be seen.
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Providing "Google" look's after me! - I'll look after them.
It's rather a way of saying thank's for giving everyone everything we need to know for "Free". Microsoft - (Well) Started with somthing "Free" then made us pay for it, I will say no more!
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RE: Microsoft wants to index all the world's information, too, with Fact Index
homeioy3501-24353673204260071837977457723365 10th Nov
kszsdn,good post!

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