Microsoft Windows Genuine Advantage system down for the count?

By | August 25, 2007, 2:18pm PDT

ArsTechnica and a few other sites are pointing to Microsoft forums where complaints are pouring in regarding problems that Windows XP and Windows Vista users are encountering when trying to validate their software as “genuine” using Microsoft’s Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) system.

On the Windows Genuine forums, frustrated users are reporting that their non-pirated copies of Windows are being marked as “non-genuine.” They are encountering problems when attempting to download patches, fixes and other software that requires a WGA check before the download is permitted.

So far, the only seemingly official response from Microsoft was relayed by “Doug in Singapore,” who posted the following note in the Forums:

“I’m sorry to inform you that the Windows Genuine server might be down for few days. I have escalate the issue to our Genuine team, kindly try to validate again on Tuesday 28 Aug 2007.

“Thank you for contacting Microsoft Technical Support.”

Update: 5:00 p.m. August 25: It’s possible that Microsoft fixed the issue, based on severalnew posts in the forum. Several posters are reporting that users who go to the main WGA page and click on “validate” are no longer encountering problems. There is currently no notice on the WGA page regarding the outage.

Update No. 2: Via Boingboing.net: There’s a post on the WGA blog noting that there’s at least a temporary fix in place, but no explanation as to the cause of the outage.:

“Customers who received an incorrect validation response can fix their system by revalidating on our site (http://www.microsoft.com/genuine). We encourage anyone who received a validation failure since Friday evening to do this now. After successfully revalidating any affected system should be rebooted to ensure the genuine-only features are restored.”

Users in the forums have been warning others against performing any tasks that require WGA validation. A number of posters are blaming Vista for the problem and are committing to “downgrade” to XP as a result.

In Vista’s case, if WGA deems a user’s copy non-Genuine, Microsoft shuts off certain pieces of Vista functionality, such as the Aero user interface.

Forum poster Arl_in said:

“This is very irresponsible. I was scared to death and ended up formatting my computer… TWICE. What the heck?!? But am I safe to assume that the validation process will work once the server or whatever is wrong is fixed? I really don’t want to waste my $250.And I restarted my computer and no Aero.”

(Note: I am running Windows XP on this system and just tried validating at 5 p.m. EST on August 25 after going to the Microsoft WGA page and clicking “validate.” I had no problem validating my system after doing so.)

I’ve asked Microsoft’s Windows team for an official response. No word back yet. Stay tuned.

Update: Microsoft did fix the WGA outage on August 25.  No word on why it happened or what, if anything, Microsoft is doing so it doesn’t happen again.

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RE: Microsoft Windows Genuine Advantage system down for the count?
dfwekrwe4601-24353682600127612526006987982220 12th Nov
zzqepa,good post!
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To the very, very few that eXPerienced an issue with validating Windows XP or Windows Vista, the problem was resolved in short order. Anyone who did eXPerience an issue should visit http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/default.aspx
and click on "Validate Windows", then log-off their account and log back on.

Congratualtions to the WGA Team for troubleshooting and resolving this issue so quickly!
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HOW DO YOU KNOW?
theo_durcan 26th Aug 2007
How do you know there was only very, very few ?

Hoow do you know it was resolved in short order?

M.J. didnt got any answer from MS officials; are you an insider?

PF
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that even people with genuine MS OS should use it. I actually have a lot of software (including Vista and XP) that need activation. But the process to make your system permanantly genuine is easy and widespread so just use and bam, problems solve. MS activation feature is barely legal (as all DRM) and only punish legal users. MS WGA and all other DRM have been proven 100% useless at stopping piracy. Companies spend billions of dollars in illegal DRM scam and ONLY punish legal users. a far better use of this wasted money will be to LOWER the price of illegaly DRMed software/music/movie.
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So....
xuniL_z 26th Aug 2007
The large software piracy cartel that Microsoft brought down with wga shows that it's useless?? How so? They were doing billions in illegal windows pirating. I would think most people would call that a victory and hardly useless.

thanks.
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Please explain
Ole Man 26th Aug 2007
How the Microsoft police surrounded millions
of computers scattered throughout the
country. Truth is, WGA has never stopped a
single case of Piracy. The incident you
refer to was simply a publicity stunt to try
to justify the despised WGA. Toss a few
scape-goats to the dogs and WOW!... look at
all that publicity, justifying WGA.

Microsoft in China: Who Conquered Whom?
TAKEAWAY: Microsoft had to get rid of its
American/European business model in order to
find success in China. The tech giant
started offering rock-bottom prices for its
applications, abandoned its staunch stance
on intellectual property rights, and started
partnering with the government instead of
fighting it. But the turning point that
boosted Microsoft's image in China was when
Microsoft opened a research center in
Beijing, which lured back computer
scientists.
http://www.itbusinessedge.com/item/?ci=17456
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WOW.
xuniL_z 26th Aug 2007
you know just how piracy cartels are setup. You are on the inside...that's a dangerous game, don't you fear for your life?

Come on, you know nothing about it or the story. Point me to where this was shown to be a publicity stunt. OR are you pulling that out of the air too?



So what about China? It's business. They are a developing nation. Every company in the U.S. and E.U. of any size is doing business there.....abiding by China's laws I guess???
What's wrong with a dev. center in china? YOu have something against the people of China?
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Yep, pulling it right out of the air
Ole Man 26th Aug 2007
I can tell by the smell when it's rotten.

Let's see your credentials for your
postulation? Same as Microsoft's credentials
for policing the world, eh? Nix (pun
intended).

I have nothing against China. I just don't
like to see them raped by a monstrous corp,
any more than the rest of the world. It
would be different if people knew what was
being foisted upon them, but most of them
are poor naive innocent people presenting
their bones to be picked clean by the
buzzard robber barons.
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Better Red than Dead huh?
msdead 27th Aug 2007
happy
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red dead
jlvpond@... 27th Aug 2007
Lack of arguments ? Call the messenger Red and bingo. Simple, huh...
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Defend the queen , defend the hive !
Intellihence 26th Aug 2007
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No Windows Activation until Tuesday .
Intellihence 26th Aug 2007
Where did you get you facts from buddy . I read from a reliable source that the server doing the Windows Activation won't be going online until Tuesday . That means no Windows for you until Tuesday . I thought Microsoft's servers were better than Apache servers . ROTFLMAO !!!!!
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try to keep up.
rtk 26th Aug 2007
When reading 0 minute news stories, you kinda have to keep up. I read from a reliable source that OS X is going to run on Intel chips, oh wait.

Not only that, you've vastly overstated the issue, no windows for who?

Best get off the floor and wipe your chin.
Read this article


http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/25/microsoft_wga_server.html


If anything I wouldn't believe anything coming from Redmond .
That's all that needs to be said. Thanks for posting links to bogus misinformation which proves you're as gullible as members of the flat earth society.
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Gee, I'm sorry Windows WGA IS a reduced function.
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MS missing the point
rpboothe 27th Aug 2007
The point is: Quickly fixing this problem doesn't matter! This kind of problem, taking legitimate, working systems and partially (or totally) crippling them should NEVER HAPPEN.

How can Microsoft expect their software to be used in mission-critical systems (some of which people's lives depend upon) when they can't even protect their OS from their own licensing crapware?

If I was running a 911 center, a hospital's imaging/technology system or anything operating public works/infrastructure I could not in good conscience depend upon an OS which can turn itself off (in any form) just for protecting the vendor's financial interest. Shame on Microsoft - operational stability first, then protect your bottom line.
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You are missing factual information
cnfrisch 27th Aug 2007
If a Windows operating system is flagged as "non-genuine", the system is not turned-off and neither are any essential Windows functions crippled. In order to become better informed, please read the Microsoft Knowledge Base Article peretaining to this subject:

The behavior of reduced functionality mode in Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925582/en-us

Also read:

WGA for Windows Vista FAQ
http://www.microsoft.com/nz/midsizebusiness/wga/wgafaq.mspx

Also, it appears most of the affected users that received a "false positive" were those that made a deliberate visit to a Microsoft web site to download a MS file requiring validation. I don't think someone using a mission-critical Windows XP/Vista PC would have any reason to do this during a non-maintenance time period.
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End user to Microsoft
msdead 27th Aug 2007
"F" WGA.
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You must work for Microsoft
RickyF 28th Aug 2007
Carey:
You must be a Microsoft employee. No one else in their right mind should or would defend Microsoft's bad behavior towards its customers. I was screwed up by this crap. It was not fixed fast enough to disrupt my day. I wasted my time because MS is so greedy.
BTW, I believe that tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of customers were screwed up this WGA hiccup.
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Not, not a MS employee
cnfrisch 28th Aug 2007
I'm strictly an independent software troubleshooter and I take marching orders from no one. I'm a stickler for factual information and not conjecture.

What's interesting about the short-lived WGA issue is that a Windows XP or Vista user had to deliberately visit a Microsoft web site that required a validation check in order to download a specific Microsoft file or update during a specific timeframe the WGA servers were not functioning properly in order to get the erroneous non-genuine message. Hardly anyone received the non-genuine message "out of the clear blue". MS stated that approximately 12,000 Windows PC were affected. More info:
http://blogs.msdn.com/wga/archive/2007/08/27/update-on-validation-issues.aspx
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Glad to see it was only 12,000
msdead 30th Aug 2007
Such a small number. Unless of course you are one of the small number.
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Yes!
msdead 27th Aug 2007
/Anyone who did eXPerience an issue should visit http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/default.aspx
and click on "Validate Windows", then log-off their account and log back on./

Isn't that as simple as pie. I'm glad everyone has a IT degree or more than a common knowledge of the "dog must jump through hoop for treat" Microsoft mentality.
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No one here had an issue
cnfrisch 27th Aug 2007
I see that no one posting to this blog had any issue with WGA.
So there would be no need to revalidate your system.
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Not a report to Microsoft to revalidate
one's system.
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The question remains...
John L. Ries 25th Aug 2007
...do you really want an outside server determining whether or not you're "allowed" to run the software? I'm sure it helps to protect MS' revenue stream, but there's an obvious downside to the end user, even if he's fully paid up.

Congratulations to MS for resolving the issue quickly, but I'm nevertheless glad that my primary work computer runs Slackware Linux and Windows 2000 (dual boot).
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Your assumption is incorrect -
cnfrisch 25th Aug 2007
If a computer running Windows XP or Windows Vista is inadvertantly flagged as "non-genuine", it does not limit your ability to use your operating system normally. All it does is alert you to the possibility your system is not running genuine Microsoft software. And there is a troubleshooting web site that directs you how to resolve the problem. If the problem is a "false positive", then it can be resolved quickly. In this specific instance, it was likely a temporary glitch with the server supporting WGA. The problem arose for a brief period of time and resolved as quickly as humanly possible.
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Then again...
John L. Ries 25th Aug 2007
...WGA crashes every time I boot my XP-loaded laptop (employer-owned), so I can't run Windows media or video DVDs thereon. No big, so I tolerate it.

Haven't done enough with Vista to understand how reduced functionality mode works there, but Vista has enough other things wrong with it that I really don't want to find out.

Point remains... having an external server determine what one is allowed to do with the software loaded on his machine is not a selling point. It's only a matter of time before Murphy's Law strikes, as it did in this case.
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Re: The again...
cnfrisch 25th Aug 2007
Then again, everytime my bank has a temporary problem with its web site, I'm upset. Is there any technology out there that is 100% stone-cold reliable? I don't think so!
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The principle applies here.
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Not true
T1Oracle 26th Aug 2007
Redundant systems are both more complex and more reliable. Ask NASA or any aircraft pilot.

WGA is not reliable because any system designed to increase security is almost guaranteed to increase the hassle involved with normal use.
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I'll take your point about redundancy
John L. Ries 27th Aug 2007
It remains the case, however, that from the users' point of view, WGA is one more thing that can go wrong.
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Spinning Hard
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 26th Aug 2007
But you are just wrong on this one. They got the servers back. Were they hacked, hardware, software or whatever, why should someone pay up to $400 for an operating system that can be invalidated by a server maybe thousands of miles away in another country. I care about MS fighting piracy, but doing it on the backs of their customers is fundamentally wrong.

You read the forums, many thousands spend themselves many tens of hours troubleshooting Microsoft's WGA when it goes wrong. The only extent that MS actually cares about WGA is sending a group of (dedicated) MS certified volunteers like yourself and ONLY as long as it returns in finding more piracy rings or increased revenue when those who aren't techically inclined give up and re-buy their license.

Even if WGA were (which it has not) 100% reliable, the servers were clustered 99.99999% uptime, it is still a slap in the face of the customers that an operating system is going to constantly monitor them (why not just a bulletproof ONE TIME activation sequence).

It is only a matter of time until some cracker, with nothing but time on their hands, corrupts this wonderful WGA "advantage" on millions of computers.

Spin away.

TripleII
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Faulty Analogy
Wizard Prang 28th Aug 2007
If your Bank's website goes out you can call them on the phone.
Or you can go the branch.
Or you can change Banks.

We have the technology to apply your brakes whenever you exceed the speed limit. Ever wonder why nobody has done this? Yet that is precisely what WGA attempts.

If MS wants Windows to be the only OS you will ever need they will have to do better than "Oops, sorry but your system has to run in reduced functionality mode while we fix WGA".
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"humanly possible"?
Ole Man 25th Aug 2007
Is this computers you're talking about? Or
humans?
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Let's all go to the ...
msdead 27th Aug 2007
trouble shooting web site to resolve problems with our perfectly legal software so Microsoft can sleep easy at night. BTW, how much of a cost reduction will us good law abiding Americans see in Windows now that the bad old China connection has been brought down? That was the original reason for WGA, to reduce piracy and lower cost right? Or did Microsoft mean their profit margin?
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No response?
msdead 30th Aug 2007
Anyone? Thought not.
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Short Answer NO!
LilBambi_z 29th Aug 2007
I have NEVER thought it was a wise move to use an outside server to determine anything regarding use of software or OSes.

It's the most asinine thing I have ever heard of. And the most user UNfriendly thing a company could do.

Don't forget they are trying to move us all to a monitoring state of being....don't believe me? Look at the specs for HD DVD players with required Ethernet connection AND the new specs for Blu-Ray that will also require an Ethernet connection.

I am very UNHAPPY with where things are going.
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Can't help but laugh
devlin_X 25th Aug 2007
considering Microsoft's WGA is what got me to abandon Windows. Now I see it was a good move.
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I imagine so
cnfrisch 25th Aug 2007
Yes, WGA likely flagged your pirated O/S as non-genuine, so knowing you were indeed running a pirated version, you removed it.
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A typical windows zealot/MS apologist
Jack-Booted EULA 25th Aug 2007
would make such an assumption.

:o)
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Actually no.......
devlin_X 26th Aug 2007
Microsoft twice admitted I had a legal copy of Windows XP Pro running on my machine (the third time I just called to let them know they lost a customer). I just got sick of:



1. having to call MS after the third false positive WGA failure. How many times must I prove I bought it? Why should I have to prove it over and over again.



2. I don't like the idea they are tracking my system or myself. They admit the WGA exchange is tracking more than just processor, hard drive, and BIOs serial numbers but will not tell us what other information is encrypted in the transmission they are having their software send. I for one still believe in the right to privacy.

3. While I was fuming about getting falsely flagged (again) someone asked me if I had read the license agreement.... Holy crap it's long and basically says I have to agree to what ever they say and if their software makes my system unusable it's my tough cookies. All they owe me is the cost of the OS (only if it fails in the 1st 30 days!). Even if I can pin point the problem in the OS, I (according to MS) can NOT fix it myself per the MS Windows EULA agreement!



It's a shame too since I actually liked XP. It was MS's best incarnation of Windows. Gates and Ballmer just have gone too far. I decided I had enough and got off the ride. Vista would have been interesting if they had stuck to their original plan and not have stripped all the top touted features out.....
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Lost in stupidity
Jeremy W 26th Aug 2007
The author of this post is obviously lost in stupidity if he believes this kool-aid.

Users are simply getting fed up and tired with being dictated how they should do their work/play by a loathsome Bloatfarm.

What the detestable Bloatfarm has done, yet again, is to roadblock its customers.

Why blame the customer for the egregious mistakes of the Bloatfarm?
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Which system are you talking about?
xuniL_z 26th Aug 2007
Bloatfarm? I've not heard of this company. I've heard of bloat, as in Firefox 3.0, Red Hat and other linux distributions, OS X etc. but I can't imagine someone going with this name.

They are detestable huh? An outage of somekind? I've heard about those things with Google and Salesforce where some customers went w/o service for up to 48 hours in some cases. Maybe longer...not sure.

Imagine that, to use their software you have to prove yet again who you are everytime you logon to their servers. What a pain. I guess those service type deals are not going to fly.



Hey, that's a great idea for Microsoft. Maybe they should make Windows itself a service that you have to login to and that way they would be just like the linux companies and Google kind of combined and nobody can complain about the cost of their OS...cause it's just a service like Google apps. And like linux, they can claim the software is free, but you are buying a service plan instead! That is a great idea. Wait, they did that kind of and in the process have brought down a huge piracy ring and stopped billions in illegal trade that the authorities could not do, and it's Their Job! Does seem inconvenient I guess, but maybe it will ultimately lower the cost of windows by weeding out the criminals.
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The Bloatfarm is a Redmond, WA based entity that has been foisting eighth rate software on the public by maintaining its illegal monopoly through the use of abusive practices.

Until the present, it has had some success in forcing its repugnant junkware (TrashVista) on the public.

This looks to be its swansong as an increasingly sophisticated public demands more and the hideous Bloatfarm, bloated on its monopoly profits is less and less able.
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Are you that arrogant and smug to defend the Queen knowing the problems . Why must you always put spins on the truth . Xunil , you are definitely a Zealot .
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He was obstinate, hard-headed, stubborn,
sometimes smart-mouthed, occasionally
foul-mouthed, long-winded, more than a
little uninformed, usually backward, but
nobody could be that uhhh... clueless, shall
we say, to be polite?
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Hope you don't represent MS......
dave95. 26th Aug 2007
In anyway, for their own good. Treating customers like criminals?
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This is a prime example
Ole Man 25th Aug 2007
Of one of the many joys of Vista.

Is it "WOW" now?

Hasta-La-Vista and happy trails to you.
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RE: Microsoft Windows Genuine Advantage system down for the count?
dfwekrwe4601-24353682600127612526006987982220 12th Nov
zzqepa,good post!

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