Microsoft's IE 8 incompatibility list: 2,400 major sites (and counting)

Microsoft's IE 8 incompatibility list: 2,400 major sites (and counting)

Summary: Here is the current list of 2,400 Web sites that will display automatically in non-standards mode with Internet Explorer 8.0 if/when a user decides to download and install the Compatibility View list.

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In an effort to improve Web users' compatibility experience, Microsoft added a new, user-selectable Compatibility List to the Release Candidate test version of IE 8 that the company released in January.

Microsoft describes the list -- Version 1.0 of which includes 2,400 sites that don't render properly in IE 8 (in other words, an "incompatibility list") --  as a tool designed to "make sure IE8 customers have a great experience with highly trafficked sites that have not yet fully accomodated IE8’s better implementation of web standards." There is a downloadable list for IE testers using Vista and another version of the IE 8 list for XP users.

Microsoft officials said they used tester feedback to select which sites to include on the list. The list will be updated regularly, with the IE team removing sites that have become compatible with IE 8's standards-mode default and adding new, problematic ones that are mentioned frequently by testers and customers, according to company officials.

Here is the current list of sites that will display automatically in non-standards mode if/when an IE 8 user decides to download and install the Compatibility View list. The list is not in alphabetical order; it is in the order in which Microsoft makes it available as an XML schema:

baidu.com

qq.com

sina.com.cn

163.com

sohu.com

google.cn

xunlei.com

taobao.com

soso.com

youku.com

msn.com.cn

hao123.com

tudou.com

gougou.com

google.com

cctv.com

xinhuanet.com

tianya.cn

tom.com

chinamobile.com

zol.com.cn

pconline.com.cn

mop.com

ku6.com

pcpop.com

126.com

360.cn

yahoo.com

microsoft.com

56.com

hexun.com

sogou.com

vnet.cn

ifeng.com

eachnet.com

xici.net

paipai.com

people.com.cn

xiaonei.com

skycn.com

onlinedown.net

39.net

mofile.com

pchome.net

it168.com

pps.tv

eastmoney.com

rising.com.cn

chinaren.com

douban.com

qihoo.com

amazon.cn

verycd.com

alisoft.com

yesky.com

google.at

youtube.com

live.com

wikipedia.org

ebay.at

gmx.net

orf.at

google.de

amazon.de

msn.com

gmxattachments.net

netlog.com

ebay.com

ebay.de

blogger.com

aon.at

myspace.com

studivz.net

mozilla.com

krone.at

chip.de

universal.at

sms.at

willhaben.at

wordpress.com

adobe.com

map24.com

szene1.at

facebook.com

chello.at

apple.com

myvideo.de

miniclip.com

schuelervz.net

gulli.com

flickr.com

lycos.de

news.at

telekom.at

quelle.de

ask.com

rapidshare.com

rtl.de

diepresse.com

neckermann.de

bearshare.com

funpic.de

google.be

ebay.be

zita.be

telenet.be

skynet.be

kapaza.be

skyrock.com

hln.be

google.nl

dexia.be

spele.nl

kbc.be

dailymotion.com

garagetv.be

free.fr

web-log.nl

zylom.com

google.fr

msn.nl

standaard.be

typepad.com

imdb.com

hebbes.be

ikea.com

download.com

freewebs.com

commentcamarche.net

bookings.org

01net.com

amazon.com

kuleuven.be

startpagina.nl

geocities.com

songteksten.nl

fok.nl

sport.be

hi5.com

orange.fr

gva.be

bonprixsecure.com

mininova.org

tijd.be

metacafe.com

ebay.nl

pixmania.com

runescape.com

imageshack.us

hyves.nl

lycos.nl

jeuxvideo.com

123video.nl

google.dk

tv2.dk

dba.dk

ekstrabladet.dk

danskebank.dk

kelkoo.dk

tdconline.dk

jubii.dk

dkbn.dk

sol.dk

guloggratis.dk

komogvind.dk

bold.dk

bigpoint.com

123hjemmeside.dk

emu.dk

danskespil.dk

thepiratebay.org

steampowered.com

bilgalleri.dk

forum.dk

kino.dk

ofir.dk

y8.com

euroinvestor.dk

java.com

skoleintra.dk

travian.dk

business.dk

virtualmanager.com

habbo.dk

google.co.uk

mail.ru

bbc.co.uk

yandex.ru

ebay.co.uk

onet.pl

google.pl

google.it

vkontakte.ru

rambler.ru

aol.com

google.es

nasza-klasa.pl

odnoklassniki.ru

bebo.com

allegro.pl

wp.pl

ebay.fr

narod.ru

web.de

paypal.com

google.ru

amazon.co.uk

interia.pl

alice.it

livejournal.com

ebay.it

about.com

priceminister.com

winamp.com

real.com

linternaute.com

megavideo.com

libero.it

vodafone.de

sourceforge.net

google.ro

wrzuta.pl

mobile.de

google.fi

iltalehti.fi

irc-galleria.net

suomi24.fi

mtv3.fi

iltasanomat.fi

yle.fi

telkku.com

plaza.fi

huuto.net

nettiauto.com

luukku.com

etuovi.com

veikkaus.fi

sub.fi

toggle.com

ii2.org

city.fi

netanttila.com

sampopankki.fi

kaksplus.fi

bigbrother.fi

topkani.fi

betradar.com

gamespot.com

dailymail.co.uk

lycos.com

thesun.co.uk

last.fm

photobucket.com

nokia.com

passagen.se

filefront.com

aftonbladet.se

travian.fi

brothersoft.com

torrentz.com

ultimate-guitar.com

laredoute.fr

voila.fr

voyages-sncf.com

leboncoin.fr

fnac.com

aol.fr

clubic.com

deezer.com

neuf.fr

lequipe.fr

vivastreet.fr

lycos.fr

windowslive.fr

aliceadsl.fr

caradisiac.com

caisse-epargne.fr

canalblog.com

hardware.fr

forum-auto.com

centerblog.net

anpe.fr

france2.fr

labrute.fr

labanquepostale.fr

eurosport.fr

unblog.fr

club-internet.fr

fdjeux.com

darty.com

lcl.fr

cityvox.fr

carrefour.fr

trombi.com

jeuxvideo.fr

nouvelobs.com

marmiton.org

meetic.fr

megaupload.com

lefigaro.fr

vente-privee.com

talents.fr

bwin.com

airfrance.fr

beijing2008.cn

dell.com

expedia.com

prizee.com

ovh.net

t-online.de

t-online.com

baur.de

freenet.de

1und1.de

wer-kennt-wen.de

t-mobile.de

bild.de

aol.de

otto.de

meinestadt.de

kijiji.de

spiegel.de

base.de

sportscheck.com

arcor.de

tuifly.com

meinvz.net

gelbeseiten.de

focus.de

schwab.de

kino.to

wikipedia.de

congstar.de

stayfriends.de

strato.de

condor.com

idealo.de

pcwelt.de

t-home.de

usenext.de

eplus.de

clipfish.de

billiger.de

ilove.de

o2online.de

sport1.de

mega-downloads.net

falk.de

zdf.de

3dl.am

expedia.de

lokalisten.de

ard.de

heise.de

stern.de

postbank.de

fussball.de

kicker.de

beepworld.de

friendscout24.de

transfermarkt.de

motor-talk.de

piczo.com

spielaffe.de

netzwelt.de

jappy.de

quoka.de

jetztspielen.de

softwareload.de

fiducia.de

telekom.de

kwick.de

spox.com

xing.com

nokia.de

schueler.cc

wow-europe.com

weltbild.de

leonardo.it

altervista.org

forumcommunity.net

splinder.com

tiscali.it

corriere.it

tim.it

repubblica.it

eazel.com

tuttogratis.it

badoo.com

mediaset.it

expedia.it

vodafone.it

trenitalia.com

kijiji.it

paginegialle.it

gazzetta.it

dada.net

fastweb.it

mymovies.it

gameforge.de

aruba.it

ilsole24ore.com

rai.it

lycos.it

poste.it

sky.it

kelkoo.it

gioco.it

subito.it

html.it

volagratis.com

netsons.org

giovani.it

conduit.com

bakeca.it

hwupgrade.it

meteo.it

sportmediaset.it

ansa.it

multiplayer.it

paginainizio.com

intesasanpaolo.com

infojobs.it

adnkronos.com

tele2.it

ryanair.com

corrieredellosport.it

detelefoongids.nl

rabobank.nl

postbank.nl

buienradar.nl

nos.nl

anwb.nl

goudengids.nl

abnamro.nl

telegraaf.nl

wehkamp.nl

speurders.nl

kpn.com

omroep.nl

ziggo.nl

tele2.nl

weeronline.nl

xs4all.nl

vodafone.nl

telfort.nl

kieskeurig.nl

hetnet.nl

beslist.nl

tntpost.nl

t-mobile.nl

tweakers.net

partyflock.nl

online.nl

dumpert.nl

kpnvandaag.nl

voetbalzone.nl

custhelp.com

volkskrant.nl

startkabel.nl

nieuws.nl

autotrader.nl

linkedin.com

weer.nl

nationalevacaturebank.nl

upclive.nl

hp.com

onlinesoccermanager.nl

klm.com

partypeeps2000.com

google.no

nettby.no

gulesider.no

startsiden.no

dagbladet.no

nrk.no

aftenposten.no

1881.no

sol.no

nettavisen.no

dnbnor.no

online.no

zett.no

filmweb.no

dinside.no

sparebank1.no

telenormobil.no

diskusjon.no

netthandelen.no

postbanken.no

nsb.no

netcom.no

nordea.no

portalbank.no

itslearning.com

aftenbladet.no

symantec.com

norsk-tipping.no

shockwave.com

google.pt

sapo.pt

uol.com.br

ig.com.br

clix.pt

iol.pt

terra.com.br

google.com.br

pai.pt

record.pt

globo.com

abola.pt

imeem.com

millenniumbcp.pt

slide.com

mercadolivre.com.br

buscape.com.br

travian.pt

easy-share.com

orkut.com

correiodamanha.pt

sweetim.com

tribalwars.com.pt

submarino.com.br

zerozero.pt

fotolog.com

abril.com.br

tvtuga.com

citibank.com

portugalmail.pt

marca.com

terra.es

ebay.es

tuenti.com

softonic.com

elmundo.es

elpais.com

as.com

metroflog.com

ya.com

infojobs.net

minijuegos.com

atrapalo.com

tu.tv

miarroba.com

clickair.com

lavanguardia.es

telecinco.es

loquo.com

elcorteingles.es

movistar.es

lycos.es

sport.es

taringa.net

emagister.com

forocoches.com

wamba.com

mp3.es

vodafone.es

wordreference.com

bbva.es

meristation.com

juntadeandalucia.es

cajamadrid.es

veoh.com

univision.com

rincondelvago.com

meetic.es

publispain.com

infoempleo.com

match.com

google.se

blocket.se

eniro.se

bilddagboken.se

swedbank.se

lunarstorm.se

tradera.com

blogg.se

expressen.se

svt.se

hemnet.se

arbetsformedlingen.se

tankafett.com

telia.se

prisjakt.nu

jesper.nu

spray.se

handelsbanken.se

svenskaspel.se

letssingit.com

idg.se

ica.se

onoff.com

tele2.se

garaget.org

ving.se

sebank.se

flashback.info

bytbil.com

fritidsresor.se

tre.se

laget.se

stockholm.se

apollo.se

pixbox.se

familjeliv.se

sonyericsson.com

bitcomet.com

ginza.se

discshop.se

svenskafans.com

google.ch

bluewin.ch

sbb.ch

search.ch

ricardo.ch

ebay.ch

blick.ch

sunrise.ch

20min.ch

postfinance.ch

ubs.com

partyguide.ch

tilllate.com

nzz.ch

jobs.ch

playit.ch

festzeit.ch

migros.ch

argos.co.uk

yell.com

aol.co.uk

skysports.com

tesco.com

virginmedia.com

gumtree.com

uk.com

play.com

direct.gov.uk

national-lottery.co.uk

orange.co.uk

sky.com

theaa.com

autotrader.co.uk

guardian.co.uk

channel4.com

o2.co.uk

bt.com

hsbc.co.uk

expedia.co.uk

telegraph.co.uk

nationalrail.co.uk

premiumtv.co.uk

barclays.co.uk

next.co.uk

jobcentreplus.gov.uk

royalmail.com

marksandspencer.com

itv.com

halifax.co.uk

rightmove.co.uk

friendsreunited.co.uk

tripadvisor.com

ciao.co.uk

timesonline.co.uk

thomson.co.uk

moneysavingexpert.com

ign.com

tiscali.co.uk

asos.com

hmv.com

t-mobile.co.uk

ticketmaster.co.uk

mywebsearch.com

tescofinance.com

game.co.uk

digitalspy.co.uk

cineworld.co.uk

britishairways.com

johnlewis.com

tfl.gov.uk

addictinggames.com

go.com

comet.co.uk

laterooms.com

littlewoods.com

bookryanair.com

weather.com

debenhams.com

premierleague.com

disney.co.uk

nationwide.co.uk

clubpenguin.com

findaproperty.com

skype.com

mirror.co.uk

abbey.com

digg.com

football365.com

tv.com

otbeach.com

answers.com

heavy.com

jdsports.co.uk

ladbrokes.com

alliance-leicester.co.uk

three.co.uk

postoffice.co.uk

firstload.de

thomascook.be

samsung.com

baboom.dk

egotastic.com

people.com

viamichelin.be

gouv.fr

boursorama.com

virginradio.fr

spartoo.com

tchatche.com

koreus.com

betclick.com

hotels.com

arcor.net

gad.de

bitreactor.to

4players.de

yellowmap.de

conrad.de

tagesschau.de

deutsche-bank.de

klicktel.de

comdirect.de

istruzione.it

mediaworld.it

venere.com

travian.it

mediamarkt.nl

wikimedia.org

spel.nl

ebuddy.com

deiligst.no

travian.no

blog.com

rae.es

mercadolibre.com.ar

mapmyfitness.com

devote.se

altavista.com

komplett.se

hispeed.ch

tagesanzeiger.ch

nationet.com

lovefilm.com

freeonlinegames.com

decathlon.fr

uefa.com

oe24.at

vol.at

smartschool.be

incredimail.com

ugent.be

battleon.com

ikariam.dk

just-eat.dk

gosupermodel.com

softpedia.com

dyndns.org

airberlin.com

saturn.de

rp-online.de

vrr.de

my-hammer.de

spreadshirt.net

friendscout24.it

secondamano.it

voetbalprimeur.nl

elsevier.nl

relatieplanet.nl

partypoker.com

nitrome.com

hardware.no

kongregate.com

catho.com.br

multiply.com

utl.pt

vagos.es

hola.com

juegos.com

clarin.com

nih.gov

loopia.se

skanetrafiken.se

king.com

webshots.com

scribd.com

justin.tv

travian.net

directoriowarez.com

divxonline.info

orange.at

webs.com

avg.com

funbox.com

cdon.dk

borsen.dk

mansionpoker.com

deviantart.com

philips.com

opensubtitles.org

mcafee.com

tomshardware.com

cic.fr

eventim.de

pennergame.de

gamesload.de

3suisses.de

kabeldeutschland.de

mytoys.de

travian.de

gameduell.de

bidooo.com

comingsoon.it

better.it

3bmeteo.com

babylon.com

roma.it

telefonino.net

nickelodeon.nl

come2me.nl

aldi.nl

playtopia.nl

zeelandnet.nl

cdon.no

armorgames.com

skandiabanken.no

itavisen.no

cdon.se

atg.se

spelo.se

idrottonline.se

opendownload.de

hmrc.gov.uk

xbox.com

mandmdirect.com

asda-entertainment.co.uk

pogo.com

tagged.com

bigsnapsearch.co.uk

playfish.com

ea.com

torrentreactor.net

wiktionary.org

dvdrama.com

fly.de

fettspielen.de

deejay.it

style.it

forumup.it

immobiliare.it

spitsnieuws.nl

europa.eu

veocine.es

uned.es

joke.co.uk

swiss.com

mod.uk

travelodge.co.uk

barclaycard.co.uk

craigslist.org

target.com

walmart.com

bankofamerica.com

yellowpages.com

cnn.com

att.com

aim.com

careerbuilder.com

superpages.com

chase.com

comcast.net

popeater.com

verizonwireless.com

classmates.com

usps.com

ups.com

foxsports.com

monster.com

bestbuy.com

kohls.com

capitalone.com

citysearch.com

addresses.com

ticketmaster.com

netflix.com

nytimes.com

circuitcity.com

att.net

mlb.com

wellsfargo.com

webkinz.com

overstock.com

verizon.net

webmd.com

orbitz.com

sears.com

walletpop.com

cartoonnetwork.com

foxnews.com

fedex.com

local.com

t-mobile.com

playlist.com

aolhealth.com

mtv.com

aavalue.com

nick.com

oldnavy.com

southwest.com

wachovia.com

nfl.com

washingtonpost.com

verizon.com

nbc.com

usatoday.com

americanexpress.com

toysrus.com

kodakgallery.com

allrecipes.com

directv.com

wamu.com

sprint.com

edmunds.com

noaa.gov

roadrunner.com

associatedcontent.com

quizrocket.com

topix.com

ed.gov

walgreens.com

priceline.com

newsweek.com

staples.com

ca.gov

forbes.com

qualityhealth.com

shoplocal.com

victoriassecret.com

discovercard.com

comcast.com

nextel.com

nickjr.com

nextag.com

realtor.com

myhotcomments.com

orkut.com.br

google.com.mx

google.com.ar

mercadolibre.com.mx

climatempo.com.br

google.cl

google.com.pe

caixa.gov.br

esmas.com

4shared.com

sp.gov.br

google.com.co

oi.com.br

disneylatino.com

lanacion.com.ar

apontador.com.br

fazenda.gov.br

ojogos.com.br

unam.mx

mediafire.com

classesinternational.com

brasilescola.com

itau.com.br

terra.com.ar

mapquest.com

google.ca

msn.ca

macys.com

lowes.com

ebay.ca

kijiji.ca

dexknows.com

taleo.net

cbc.ca

latimes.com

business.com

google.com.pr

elnuevodia.com

picnik.com

aa.com

hotfreelayouts.com

slideshare.net

blockbuster.com

righthealth.com

netzero.net

autotrader.com

virgula.com.br

vivo.com.br

infobae.com

eprize.net

theweathernetwork.com

wwe.com

slate.com

nba.com

mercadolibre.com.ve

crackle.com

snapfish.com

rivals.com

cnet.com

alot.com

mevio.com

realarcade.com

blackvoices.com

qvc.com

gamestop.com

americangreetings.com

myfuncards.com

games.com

sprintpcs.com

bigfishgames.com

barackobama.com

cbs.com

kayak.com

yelp.com

cafepress.com

weather.gov

boston.com

cstv.com

wsj.com

twitter.com

wunderground.com

zynga.com

yahoo.co.jp

fc2.com

rakuten.co.jp

google.co.jp

goo.ne.jp

nifty.com

biglobe.ne.jp

amazon.co.jp

livedoor.jp

ocn.ne.jp

geocities.jp

infoseek.co.jp

ameblo.jp

so-net.ne.jp

seesaa.net

2ch.net

cocolog-nifty.com

livedoor.com

sakura.ne.jp

exblog.jp

jugem.jp

plala.or.jp

teacup.com

excite.co.jp

kakaku.com

allabout.co.jp

shinobi.jp

nicovideo.jp

mainichi.jp

mixi.jp

yaplog.jp

nhk.or.jp

jword.jp

yomiuri.co.jp

ameba.jp

nikkansports.com

livedoor.biz

jalan.net

dtiblog.com

gyao.jp

webry.info

okwave.jp

asahi.com

japanpost.jp

impress.co.jp

xrea.com

www.ne.jp

nikkeibp.co.jp

msn.co.jp

iij4u.or.jp

dmm.co.jp

sponichi.co.jp

benesse.ne.jp

sblo.jp

cookpad.com

nikkei.co.jp

yourfilehost.com

ecnavi.jp

carview.co.jp

atwiki.jp

mmaaxx.com

vector.co.jp

walkerplus.com

itmedia.co.jp

nissen.co.jp

jal.co.jp

kir.jp

xmbs.jp

jreast.co.jp

caribbeancom.com

shop-pro.jp

softbank.jp

discas.net

fmworld.net

blogspot.com

kddi.com

hangame.co.jp

jp-sex.com

big.or.jp

peps.jp

jpn.org

sony.co.jp

mlit.go.jp

bidders.co.jp

tokyo.jp

ekitan.com

jr-odekake.net

ebank.co.jp

cocacola.co.jp

ddo.jp

auone.jp

smbc.co.jp

ntt.com

jra.go.jp

epson.jp

chizumaru.com

xvn.jp

dietnavi.com

gendama.jp

utamap.com

uic.to

wazap.com

infoq.jp

en-japan.com

fruitmail.net

dip.jp

lifemile.jp

mikle.com

konami.jp

drecom.jp

daum.net

uploader.jp

cururu.jp

playstation.com

gpoint.co.jp

p-world.co.jp

chobirich.com

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for 30 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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  • Since When

    Did Microsoft become the almighty gods of standardized HTML? Think Ill stick to Firefox.
    ericvhunter@...
    • What on earth are you talking about?

      These sites are problematic because they [b]don't[/b] adhere to HTML standards and so MS is defaulting IE8 to "quirks" mode when you go to one of those sites. That's better for the consumer than having the site not render properly.

      Stick to Firefox if you want (I know I'm going to) but at least do it for the right reasons. The reason you gave is just ridiculous to the extreme.
      NonZealot
      • They don't adhere?

        Wikipedia validates as XHTML 1.0 strict with no errors or warnings. Why is it on this list?
        rpmyers1
        • It modifies HTML based on browser detection?

          It is possible that some of these sites return different, non compliant HTML if they detect that you are running IE. I'm not sure if that is what is going on there but I have a hard time believing that IE6/7 renders standards compliant HTML / CSS better than IE8.
          NonZealot
          • Very good point

            I've just been looking at the source code at my Earthlink home page. I use my linux browser epiphany. The source code I see looks xhtml compliant to me. I think you hit the nail on the head. Written into html code is often a bit that says something like "if you see IE, do this because it's weird and doesn't follow the rules, else do what's correct by the standards." If IE8 simply identifies itself as IE, it will potentially be seen as non compliant like you said. However, because it is now compliant, it will render incorrectly when corrected to read correctly in older IEs.
            dsoliver@...
          • Excellent! You nailed it!

            MS caused the problem, by creating IE using their own loose interpretations of HTML, thus making IE 7 and earlier the "non-standard browsers". While I commend them for trying to fix it now, it will cause significant chaos on the internet if not done well and deployed right.
            umlguy
    • Um... It probably happened when...

      They got the largest browser market share by a very signficant chunk.

      Seems obvious enough to me.
      TheWerewolf
  • Microsoft is always quick

    To tell their customers what they CANNOT do. Read your EULA for details.
    Ole Man
    • What on earth are you talking about?

      How does IE8 defaulting to "quirks" mode for a list of sites that don't adhere to HTML standards in any way limit what you can do with IE8? You make no sense.

      PS Ever tried installing an alternate browser on the iPhone? You can't. My Windows Mobile HTC Touch Diamond came with Opera by default and I've installed Skyfire on it. If you want to pick on an anti-competitive company, Apple is the supreme offender.
      NonZealot
      • Don't own an Ipod

        Don't use Apple. What I HAVE used is Microsoft and Linux. Since I have installed, configured, and repaired Windows hundreds of times, and have surfed around the world many times with IE, I feel that I can speak with some authority about them. YOMBD
        Ole Man
      • Easy there, NZ

        [i]Microsoft is always quick to tell their customers what they CANNOT do. Read your EULA for details.[/i]

        He's just cranky cuz the nusring home has a staffing shortage and he hasn't gotten his Jello yet. (Why ELSE would he post something so ridiculous and not even in the same zip code as the topic at hand?)
        MGP2
        • So if I'm a bad egg

          Do you think that makes Microsoft look good? I don't think so! The truth will be known, sooner or later. Facts have a way of sneaking out, even while you're looking.

          http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/001094.html

          Microsoft Lies, Scoble Style
          Some random bits scribbled by Jeremy Zawodny.
          Ole Man
          • There's a difference between facts and pointless rantings from 6 years ago.

            You've clearly not been looking for a while ... that was one commentator's own personal perspective on things as they stood back in 2003.

            And yet the same writer's latest post states that:

            "... as of a couple days ago I'm running the Windows 7 Beta on my Thinkpad T61. And you know what? I completely agree with the reviews I've seen. It's good.

            I basically never touched Vista (since it was teh suck) but Windows 7 is snappy, easier to use, and the transition from XP isn't that hard at all. Plus it has drivers for everything.

            This definitely doesn't feel like a beta at all. In fact, it reminds me of the Windows NT 4.0 beta days. I ran the beta as my desktop operating system for quite some time and loved it.

            For a long time I believed that nothing produced by Microsoft would displace Windows XP Professional, but I'm really starting to think they've got a starting chance. And if it's even a bit faster and leaner when the full release comes, that's all the better."

            So even someone who used to spout venom about MS many years ago is mature enough to consider things with an open mind.

            Shame more people aren't/don't.
            de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023
          • Yep, y'gotta take the good with the bad

            I went in the opposite direction. I supported Microsoft until they poisoned their wares with XP activation (and WGA). Its not IF Windows (any iteration) will work. Its HOW it works.

            Microsoft conducts their business now exactly like a prison warden, and their "customers" are the prisoners. They not only authenticated and "activated" XP when you bought it, they have to authenticate (strip-search the prisoner) every day from now on, as if you were going to steal one to replace the original any day now. The fact that so many people tolerate such treatment is a sad testament to the state of our country (and the world).

            I still use Windows, but I certainly don't brag about it, and I treat Microsoft exactly like they treat me. They think I'm a thief, I think they're a thief.
            Ole Man
      • Try getting the facts, NonZealot

        NonZealot babbled: "Ever tried installing an alternate browser on the iPhone? You can't."
        ---

        Bzz! Wrong answer! But thanks for playing. 3rd party browsers have been available for the iPhone for atleast a month now. http://www.macrumors.com/2009/01/13/apple-allows-3rd-party-web-browsers-in-app-store/
        digitalmouse
        • Bzzt! Wrong answer! But thanks for playing

          These are not new browsers, these are little more than skins for Safari.
          http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=633959

          When you use any of these "browsers", you are [b]still[/b] using Safari.
          NonZealot
    • Say what?

      Dude. Microsoft implements a more standards compliant browser - like everyone has been yelling at them to do (well, ok - not everyone, actually a small but very vocal group, but that's a different subject), then to handle websites that did it the 'old' way and so can't work well with the standards, they include a compatibility mode that lets the user continue to use those sites, and even goes to the trouble of making it relatively invisible so the websites in question don't have to add a simple tag to their pages, nor does the user have to flip a switch...

      This is 'cannot' do?

      Sounds to me like they're doing MORE than is necessary, not less.
      TheWerewolf
      • The issue is that having a "quirks" mode

        doesn't encourage the stupid website designers to fix their crappy sites so they work well in all browsers by being standards compliant. It would also mean that they'd have to retrain to understand the real standards.
        deaf_e_kate
      • Depends on which side of the table you sit

        I will admit, it IS about time they started undoing some of the damage they have done throughout the history of computers. I give Gates credit for helping standardize computers to the point they are household commodities, but the best thing that could be said about his marketing methods and business practices is "questionable".

        And I also understand that Microsoft isn't responsible for every web page in existence. I appreciate your explanation, though. My remark was perhaps off subject a bit? (but still relevant to Microsoft).
        Ole Man
        • Perhaps!

          [i]My remark was perhaps off subject a bit?[/i]

          Perhaps it was also a standard Ole Man kneejerk response.
          MGP2