Microsoft's Midori: Who's on the all-star roster?

By | October 5, 2009, 8:11am PDT

Summary: Microsoft officials have repeatedly refused to talk about Midori, other than to admit it is an incubation project (and with the disclaimer that it may never see the light of day). For a project that may never materialize, Midori seemingly has some heavyweight talent behind it.

It’s been a while since anything new about Microsoft’s Midori project has leaked. But thanks to a post on the “Codename Windows blog” plus a little poking around, I found an interesting list.

Microsoft officials have repeatedly refused to talk about Midori, other than to admit it is an incubation project (and with the disclaimer that it may never see the light of day). For a project that may never materialize, Midori seemingly has some heavyweight talent behind it.

First, a quick recap: Midori is all about building a new operating system that isn’t based on the current Windows kernel. Headed by Senior VIce President of Technical Strategy Eric Rudder, Midori is/was slated to be a distributed, concurrent operating system, according to various tips.

Rob Jellinghaus — a Principal Architect at Microsoft “working on an unannounced incubation project” — posted to his blog on September 11a “list of worthy programmers.” Jellinghaus doesn’t ever state that these folks are working on Midori, but he does note that he is part of a team that “working on a new operating system stack from boot loader all the way to applications. I can’t really say much more, except that what we’re doing is not entirely unrelated to the Singularity operating system.” Sure sounds like Midori to me….

Early leaks about Midori indicated Midori had roots in the Singularity microkernel operating system developed by Microsoft Research. Low and behold, a number of the programmers on Jellinghaus’ “worthy” list have worked on Singularity, as well as on other distributed operating systems, compilers and other related components. (Jellinghaus himself was “one of the first outside contributers to the Google Web Toolkit. He also worked on the Xanadu hypertext system.)

On Jellinghaus’ list:

•Daniel Lehenbauer: Describes his role on the unnamed Microsoft incubation project — which he calls the “most exciting and revolutionary work to happen in the industry since (Xerox) PARC” — as involving “the exploration of a radically different approach to the UI/Graphics platform which guarantees security, responsiveness, and leverages modern GPUs and manycore.” Software Design Engineer Lehenbauer says the incubation team of which he is a part is “revisiting every layer of the stack from device drivers, through rendering engines, up to application frameworks and programming/computation models.”

• Pavel Curtis: Software Architect, who, according to his profile on Wikipedia, “is best known for having founded and managed LambdaMOO, one of the best-known online communities of the 1990s. He created LambdaMOO during his 13-1/2 years as a member of the research staff at Xerox PARC, from 1983 to 1996, where he worked in the areas of programming language design and implementation, programming environments, and online collaboration systems.”

• Jonathan Shapiro: One of the chief developers of the BitC language and Coyotos operating system, joined the Midori team this past spring, he acknowledged in a blog post.

• Ravi Pandya:  An “Architect, Technical Strategy Incubation,” according to his blog profile. From a 2007 blog post: “I moved from Windows Security to an incubation group which is, as Chris Brumme so eloquently puts it, ‘exploring evolution and revolution in operating systems.’ I’m having a lot of fun working with a variety of interesting systems technologies, including security, distributed systems, many-core, virtualization, managed systems code, dynamic resource scheduling, asynchronous & adaptive user interfaces, etc.”

• Dean Tribble
: A Principal Architect at Microsoft, Tribble led development of security and compliance features for Microsoft Exchange, and “now is incubating new operating systems technologies.”

• Chris Brumme: A Microsoft distinguished engineer who was an architect on the Common Language Runtime (CLR) team. More recently, Brumme “has been one of the architects on an unannounced systems project.”

• Bjarne Steensgard
: Since 2007, has been “part of an incubation team at Microsoft that is an outgrowth of efforts started at Microsoft Research.” At Microsoft Research, he worked on the Marmot and Bartok compilers and runtime systems. (Bartok was influential in the development of Singularity, on which Steensgard also worked “since its inception,” he said. Bartok also seems to figure into the Midori picture.) Before joining Microsoft, he worked on the Emerald distributed operating system.

•David Tarditi: A former Microsoft researcher who worked on Singularity.

Tanj Bennett: One of the 40-plus Softies running the revamped Microsoft ThinkWeek program. His area of specialization is “OS in the Future.” Bennett also seems to have a connection with a Microsoft Research project known as the “Microsoft Solver Foundation,” which is described as “a new framework and managed-code runtime for mathematical programming, modeling, and optimization.”

• Joe Duffy: The Lead Developer and Architect for Parallel Extensions to .NET. Author of the book Concurrent Programming on Windows

• Leif Kornstaedt: Worked for several years on the CLR as a developer and a senior development lead; now “work(s) in Technical Strategy Incubation.” His area of specialization, according to his Web page, is “design and implementation of a programmable middleware.” He contributed to Alice, a functional programming language, and Mozart, an implementation of the Oz language.

Midori has been in the works since 2006/2007, based on the bios of some of these individuals. But there’s no inkling of when it might emerge from incubation land. As I’ve reported before, Microsoft is working on a couple of related projects (codenamed “RedHawk” and “MinSafe”) that are supposedly pre-cursors to Midori and which could work their way, at least in part, into Windows 8.

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RE: Microsoft's Midori: Who's on the all-star roster?
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
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that's by no means a' who's who' list
Linux Geek 5th Oct 2009
More likely a 'who's he' list.
These guys are no match for FOSS and Linux in particular.
Rather than failing to reinvent the wheel, they should just adopt Linux and do themselves a service for doing the right thing.
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Before you make yourself look any more uninformed than you already have ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 5th Oct 2009
... you should do some research on what Singularity and Midori are and what they aim to achieve.

UNIX (inc Linux, BSD, OSX, etc), Windows and all the OS currently in use today are all essentially derivatives of similar approaches to building OS' for largely single-processor machines.

The industry is already moving to a heterogenous, massively multi-core future where ALL of todays' OS and app platforms will struggle to scale well.

It would be astonishingly naiive to spout your limited and religiously polarized views on OS design in relation to some genuinely new thinking about how OS will have to change in the coming decades.
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Agree..
planruse 5th Oct 2009
If the *nix community doesn't pull together to create a completely new OS then they could get left even further behind.
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Talk about uninformed...
The Mentalist Updated - 5th Oct 2009
You wrote: "... left even further behind"

That sentence might hold true... in a parallel Universe with reversed time flow... ruled by M$ astroturfers...

But wait...

this is the zdnet talkbacks, this is a parallel Universe with reversed time flow... and ruled by M$ astroturfers.

Well, I guess you're right after all, just don't take it outside of the parallel universe that is zdnet or you'll cease to be right.
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So how is Linux ahead?
planruse 5th Oct 2009
The current NT kernel is a more modern design.

There are more PC's and Servers running Windows.

Linux is used more in non PC hardware devices but this OS isn't designed for that. I stand by my statement that they will be left even further behind, especially in the areas where Windows is currently designed to run. Do you honestly think that if the *nix community don't get behind a new OS then it will have any hope of competing with Midori on the desktop?
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How? Two words: Technical Superiority!
The Mentalist 5th Oct 2009
The desktop is the past, hence my mention of time reversal, we're talking about the future here.

Ah, don't forget flexibility, that's another important attribute of Linux that helps cement its technical superiority, I leave it to you as a bonus. You don't have to thank me.
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The Mentalist sums you up very well!
planruse 5th Oct 2009
Its techinical superiority doesn't seem to be cementing itself very well on the desktop. Maybe a new brand of *nix cement is needed e.g. a new OS
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Dubious claim
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 5th Oct 2009
Linux is, as I have stated many times, a fascinating creation particularly from a technical perspective. HOWEVER, as its desktop penetration numbers have clearly shown, it has thus far failed to make its presence known on the desktops of the majority of PC users.

Linux has spent the last 17 years first trying to catch up to UNIX and later with Windows and OSX. Because of this, the Linux community is still almost entirely focussed on the technical features of Linux rather than end-user benefits.

It took a billionire with an axe to grind and a generous disposition to start to turn this tide when he formed Ubuntu, but he still has many years ahead where his generosity will be required until Ubuntu can truly compete with Windows and OSX in terms of end-user features, support, etc.

Whilst Linux it is indeed a perfectly capable OS for some, it is not (yet) for the many. Until the Linux community stop re-inventing the wheel and start to consolidate efforts, focussing on concentrating their development activities on trying to forge their own future rather than trying to mirror the features of Windows and OSX, Linux doesn't stand a chance on the desktop.

And by the time they do, they'll be horribly out of date, having been superseded by whatever Apple and Microsoft create to help us take advantage of the massively many-core future we inevitibly face.
A powerful market force (porn) decided the winner. The same happened on the desktop only the force was different.
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Uh...UNIX, the BEST OS on the planet, cost over 3K (in 1992)!
No More Microsoft Software Ever! 5th Oct 2009
Linux, while it took 14 years to complete (the other years were improvements, addons, windows compat., etc.) is FREE.

Far better to have a FREE UNIX than paying over 5K (today) for UNIX!

And UNIX is FAR better than Windows (regardless of how may UNIX tech's Microsoft has stolen).
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Linux ahead
1djk1 5th Oct 2009
Unix/Linux were built from the ground up to include networking. Windows has it as an add-on. Even back in the DOS days, DR (Caldera, etc,) came with networking as an installable option as part of the OS. We used it long before Windows came upon the scene.

The plethora of Windows machines are due to excellent marketing (and some other not so above the board techniques), not excellent design/programming.
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I can't believe you are comparing Windows NT to DOS. Windows NT 3.1 had networking in as one version was called Windows NT 3.1 Advanced Server!
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You're probably too young to know this, but ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 5th Oct 2009
Windows was indeed shipped with optional networking features up until Windows NT which included a full TCP/IP and NETBUI networking stack built-in.

NT 3.5 was shipped a few months after Torvalds published the first source for Linux which, if I remember correctly, didn't include a networking stack.

the reason why so few OS of the time included built-in networking capabilities back then, was because few people could afford a network and fewer people know what to do with one.

Windows has indeed been a huge marketing success ... but then Windows' marketing has always been the focus of much derision from the ABM crowd.

It would be facile (at best) to state that the only reason Windows succeeded above all other OS that have tried to compete with it purely because of marketing and underhanded business techniques:

When it comes down to it, Windows gave more customers more of what they wanted than any other OS to date has done.

You may not like that, but this is the reason people have and continue to buy Windows - it gives them what they want.
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"The plethora of Windows machines are due to excellent marketing"
No More Microsoft Software Ever! 5th Oct 2009
NOT! It's due to forcing OEM's to pay for Windows with each computer sold. EVEN IF Windows was NOT installed!

Hence, the monopoly categorization.

Microsoft = a predatory, lying, stealing, cheating monopoly.


(Greetings again)
but that was when they were trying foist NetBuei/Netbios but luckily the Net/Web started to become of interest/popular & TCP/IP became the standard. circa '93~'95
But even before and during there was Novell, Lantastic, Banyan, etc for DOS/Windows and the other OS's that had networking built in Concurrent Dos/DRDOS, Apple, Next, OS/2 any Unix and even Linux.

MS was not the first.

BTW the Source for Linux was released on to the Net in September '91.
SLS (considered the first distro) October '92.
Slackware soon followed (oldest surviving distro)
The first NT 3.1 came out July '93, 3.5 in Sept '94

And it was Slick/questionable tactics caused Windows to Dominate
OEM agreements: no DOS without Windows, other DOS's warning screen, not allowing other OS's or bootloaders, etc, etc
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@LazLong -
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 5th Oct 2009
"But even before and during there was Novell, Lantastic, Banyan" ... all of which were proprietary, fiercely marketed NOS' and all of which were available for DOS too ... they weren't UNIX features.

"MS was not the first" I didn't say they were. I said that they weren't the last.

Re Linux: Yes, the source for Linux was first released in '91. But that was a miniscule Linux back then. Was barely functional, worked on almost nothing. Was as buggy as a brand-new OS hacked together (using Minix to do so) by a part-time new OS engineer would be.

And, no ... Windows isn't where it is today just because of ... that's just the ABM'er in you fighting to make itself heard.

Windows is where it is today because it offers users what they want. It's been YEARS since PCs were allowed to be sold without DOS/Windows and even when they did, retailers could still sell PC's with different OS' so long as they paid their DOS license (this was the deal Microsoft struck for their work on getting the PC to work in the first place).
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What do you mean 'non PC hardware devices'?
No More Microsoft Software Ever! 5th Oct 2009
Linux is used primarily in PC hardware. Including servers (internet servers specifically).

It is also used in other devices.

Please post links to your opinion, otherwise it reads like Microsoft FUD.
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I think your wrong on that...
shadfurman 6th Oct 2009
its just an assumption, but I'm pretty sure
there are more copies of linux running in
devices than there are on "PCs". I know I own
more devices with linux than I own copies of
windows. The only linux I run is in a virtual
machine for niche tasks. Two routers, game consoles (don't remember which ones run linux),
a watch and a few toys. At least four different
devices running linux. And most people wouldn't
even know, I'm into it and I don't remember
which ones run linux.
"non PC hardware devices" is pretty obvious as
the PC is pretty much defined by the x86 architecture.
But stating that linux has had tremendous
success in devices is in no way "Microsoft FUD"
whether it's true or not.
"Please post links to your opinion"
I see that you did not, but I'll refrain from
offering implied insults here.
The hate reeeaaaally bugs me.
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you are confused
Linux Geek 5th Oct 2009
unlike windoze, Linux had multiprocessor capability for years.
Now M$ is trying to copy Linux and they don't even have a release date for it.
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Windows NT...
planruse Updated - 5th Oct 2009
had multi-processor support from the beginning. What are they trying to copy?
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In a way it had
The Mentalist Updated - 5th Oct 2009
I suppose it did allow you to swap the processor so technically it could work with more than one processor.

That was still better than todays windows which may call you a pirate if you upgrade the processor but still not terribly useful though.
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I hope you checked..
planruse 5th Oct 2009
with your parents that you can use the computer.
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Enough is enough!
The Mentalist Updated - 5th Oct 2009
Later today I'll tell mom what you've been doing. Just wait till she gets home. I'm your older brother for Christ's sake, I demand some respect.
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Better still ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 5th Oct 2009
... if you bought a machine with more than one processor already on the motherboard, it would AUTOMATICALLY share the load across BOTH processors executing TWO (or more) threads of work SIMULTANEOUSLY. Even back in 1993 when Windows NT was first released!

The only reason that you need to re-validate your copy of Windows if you replace a processor is because your processor is one of the key components used to generate the unique signature that identifies your machine, which Windows uses to make sure you're operating within the bounds of your EULA.

Don't like it? Then complain to all those people who steal Windows (and any other software) - it's they that caused MS to have to enforce their EULA through technologies like this in the first place.
When I buy a computer I pay for a windows license which I will never use. If only I could give it to someone who M$ calls a pirate. That would mean safer seas right? With fewer pirates the seas of Somalia would be safer, right?
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I find it strange that MS supporters go to NT to make MS look good!
No More Microsoft Software Ever! 5th Oct 2009
What, so NT was dropped in favor of 95,...er, XP...er, Vista..., er...Win 7?

Fact is, Microsoft lost it. And continue to lose it. And continue to lose profits and stock value.
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95 was still...
Erroneous 5th Oct 2009
DOS based and had nothing to do with NT.
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According to the AD's it was NOT! Even 98 continued that lie!
No More Microsoft Software Ever! 5th Oct 2009
But heck, even today you can run a command line to start DOS (What, version 8.2?)!

Windows is STILL just an overlay over DOS. Microsoft is a LIE!
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NT
JasonJD48 5th Oct 2009
We talk about Windows NT to make Windows look good because thats the current Windows archetecture. It may not be named NT anymore but 2000, XP, Vista and 7 all use the NT kernel. And no, Windows hasn't been an overlay of DOS since the end of the 9x line.
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@NMMSEver - Dude ... seriously ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 5th Oct 2009
You REALLY need to get an education. Your ABM bile is starting to make you look foolish. You keep spouting your belief that because Windows has a command-line, that it continues to run on DOS.

For the last time, no, Windows today is not built on DOS. Whilst Windows 1.x -> ME WERE built on DOS, the DOS line died with ME.

Windows NT, from which NT3.5x, NT4.x, Win2000, WinXP, Vista and Win7 were derived are not, were not and never have been built on DOS, nor have they ever "included a copy of DOS".

Windows includes a command-line window. It is a window into which you type command-line instructions. Those instructions are passed to a command processor (cmd.exe) which may opt to execute those instructions or pass them onto external apps.

Again, it is not DOS. It doesn't contain any DOS code and although it does allow you to type DOS commands, those commands are executed by 32/64-bit code running on the NT kernel.
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You guys are clueless
Peter Perry 5th Oct 2009
Mentalist and "No More Windows Software Ever" you guys are clueless...

Windows NT 4 on couldn't be started from a command line in the same way that DOS did... Sorry but the GUI was moved into the Kernel at this point and the same start up files didn't even exist in the two Operating Systems.

As for Linux, when the developers start listening to people instead of thumbing their nose at them they'll see growth but until then they're a second rate OS with dreams of granduer.
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Yeah and Not only that...
Peter Perry 5th Oct 2009
With Windows you could run Up2MP where as with Linux you had to recompile the kernel to turn it on back in the Days of Windows NT 4...

Also, are these guys forgetting that Linux own founder called the OS Bloated and Scary as many Distributions acknowledged that it doesn't boot as fast as Windows 7 or OS X does.
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Ermmm ... what?
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 5th Oct 2009
Windows has supported multiple processors since NT first launched ... back in 1993. I bought my first dual-processor workstation in 1996 running NT 4.0 and was working with customers running 4 and 8 processor servers at that time.

Windows7 actually includes some key kernel changes (new thread and memory dispatcher locking mechanisms) to allow it to linearly scale way beyond 512 cores on a single machine.

Since you appear unwilling, or unable to do the research yourself, I want to take a moment to help educate you just a little:

Today (ignoring soft-multithreading like Intel's "HyperThreading"), dual-core machines are the norm and 4-6 core machines are at the enthusiast level. By the end of next year, 4-core will be the norm and 8-core will be at the enthusiast level.

When Intel ships its Larrabee GPU, it'll actually be shipping a co-processor chipset/board with 32 (or more) x64 cores each able to execute two simultaneous threads. At that time, coupled with an 8-core CPU, your machine will have 80 x86 cores available for executing code.

Microsoft (and many others around the world) are now investigating new OS architectures that will allow the OS and apps running on the OS to take full advantage of this huge increase in the number of cores available for executing code and/or performing calculations.

Why? Because NONE of the OS', programming languages, app platforms, compilers, etc., that we have today are going to be able to take full advantage of this leap ... let alone the leap some 18-24 months after this where the number of cores will double again.

One such investigation was Singularity which was a research project you can download (yes, full source and docs) and which can run natively on an x86 or ARM machine (if you do the port) of your choosing:
http://www.codeplex.com/Wiki/View.aspx?ProjectName=singularity

Midori is another incubation project at Microsoft taking some of what Singularity did and continuing to investigate a number of powerful new notions.

Again, these are both (presently) research projects. They may (or may not) directly contribute to Windows' future, but considering the caliber of the people they have working on this, I would put good money on them using A LOT of what eventually comes out of this work in future OS infrastructure helping move users to new many-core platforms that will take full advantage of the computers we buy in the coming decades.

So, put aside your irrational hatred for just a while and do a little reading to find out just how hard a problem the move to many-core is going to be - for all of us ... unless we (all) can come up with some decent solutions.
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NT is old school. Like Windows 3.11 - No problems then.
No More Microsoft Software Ever! 5th Oct 2009
It was only after that period that Microsoft crossed into Monopoly abusive power.

Windows 95 started it. Then WinNT disappeared. Server showed up. Then 98, XP, 2000, 2003, etc.

Microsoft decided they HAD to use their monopoly to gain share in other areas (Music, Video, etc.).

MS = BAD!
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You should stop smoking that stuff ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 5th Oct 2009
... it's clearly rotting your brain.

For a more accurate history of Windows, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows

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NT Didn't disappear
Peter Perry 5th Oct 2009
95 became 98 and neither were really used for Business...

NT 4 was out at the same time as 95 and 98, it was then replaced by Windows 2000 followed by XP, Vista and Soon Windows 7 but all of them share Windows New Technology.

95 and 98 were both from the Windows 3x and Dos Era and built on top of that platform.

As for the Monopoly, whatever... It one business it is called leveraging when Software manufacturers petition the weenie democrats it becomes monopolistic practices...

Think about this, Netscape was free for home use and yet when MS gave IE away free they cried foul but MS looked bad because their browser actually had some newer technology in it (yes some proprietary as well).

Now answer this, do you think MS is the only company that has ever done this in the IT world? Seriously, Adobe Leverages Flash right now and Apple uses things like Final Cut Pro to gain their faithful fans... So get over your grudge because MS hasn't cost you a thing and they've made some of us a decent living over the past 10 to 15 years.
You can have the ability to run multiple
threads, and the OS assigns these threads to
different cores. This is easy when you working
with two or four cores. While linux has been
popular with beowulf clusters and the like,
they're used for computing large sets of data
across many cpus, not for realtime.

What microsoft is researching (at well as many
others) is the ability to take maximum
advantage of all cores available, by default,
even when using dozens or hundreds of cores. If
you've ever looked at benchmarks you'll realize
this is far from true now. Two cores is NOT
twice as fast as one when computing realtime.
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*sniff*
WarhavenSC 5th Oct 2009
UNIX (inc Linux, BSD, OSX, etc), Windows and all the OS currently in use today are all essentially derivatives of similar approaches to building OS' for largely single-processor machines.

I miss BeOS. sad
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nt
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Microsoft's biggest product: talk
HollywoodDog 5th Oct 2009
Never ending talk about all the great things that will
someday be coming from Microsoft. I enjoy reading about
these projects on my 24" iMac.
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WRONG!
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 5th Oct 2009
You don't need to read ... you can actually download, use and enjoy if you like.

Windows 7 is a great iteration of Windows. You can download and install now if you're an MSDN/Technet subscriber. If not, you should go buy a copy on Oct 22nd - Win7 runs great on Mac hardware happy

Alternatively, you can download and run Singularity and explore its fresh new take on OS design.
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Once again Mary...
croberts 5th Oct 2009
it isn't the "Windows Kernel". It's the "NT" kernel. Win32 runs on top of NT.

But I guess it makes things juicier to imply people are moving to/from windows instead of the actual kernel.

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???? Please explain. Is NT just a Front-end to Win32 apps??? ??? (NT)
No More Microsoft Software Ever! 5th Oct 2009
NT
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No. You got it the wrong way around
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 5th Oct 2009
NT is the kernel. It runs (mostly) in Ring-0 of protected mode processors such as the x86, x64 and Itanium chips you find in most PC's these days.

It has in the past also run on MIPS, Alpha, PowerPC, SPARC and other architectures, but there were insufficient customers for Windows on those kinds of machines so those versions of Windows were retired several years ago.

Win32 is a runtime subsystem that runs on top of the kernel and which provides the API's and environments that most Windows apps utilize to communicate with the kernel and/or the hardware below.

Other runtime subsystems which Microsoft supports include Services For Unix (SFU - formerly Interix) which is a POSIX compliant command-line app runtime.

Microsoft has also (in the past) supported an OS/2 v2.1 runtime subsystem, but, again, this was retired several years ago.
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Don't y'all have REAL stuff to put to a subject instead of ripping others apart? You MUST be Windows users. You can ONLY click, copy and paste!
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Jealous?
Erroneous 5th Oct 2009
NT
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No. Just incredulous of others opines! (NT)
No More Microsoft Software Ever! 5th Oct 2009
NT
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Evidently.
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 5th Oct 2009
Alas, it appears from your obvious ignorance that your views are based almost entirely on inaccuracies and assumptions that are so far out of whack with reality that I am amazed you manage to exist at all.
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