Microsoft's Windows Phone 7: When bad things happen to good phones

By | February 23, 2011, 9:39am PST

Summary: Microsoft really needed to hit a home run with WP7 to make a comeback in smartphones. So far, I’d say they’ve fallen short of what’s needed. What do you think, WP7 users and potential buyers?

Windows Phone 7 devices began shipping last October to largely positive reviews. I had a chance to check one out and saw enough to like that I seriously considered making WP7 my first smartphone — and my first Windows phone.

But in the four months since, I’ve begun to waver. And the latest back-and-forth over the first update for WP7 has made me increasingly WP7-shy.

Here’s the back story: Microsoft announced on February 21 that it planned to push out to WP7 users a first “minor” update — something that seemed to be an updater for the real first update due in early March. As soon as some users began receiving notifications that the update was available, reports of “bricked” WP7 devices began appearing around the Web.

Microsoft issued a vague statement, saying the company was investigating reports of problems caused by the first update. But company officials said nothing about plans to halt or fix the first update.

On February 23, Microsoft issued a new statement, claiming that the company had pulled the first update for Samsung WP7s. Here’s the statement from a spokesperson (which I received hours after some European outlets did, and only after I requested any updates on the situation):

“We have identified a technical issue with the Windows Phone update process that impacts a small number of phones. In response to this emerging issue, we have temporarily taken down the latest software update for Samsung phones in order to correct the issue and as soon as possible will redistribute the update.”

However, contrary to the official statement, the first update still seems to be available. According to at least two blogs, the update had not been pulled, as of Wednesday morning, and is still available for download. Makram Daou, who runs MobileTechWorld.com, just checked again for me a few minutes ago. Here’s a screen shot he took, showing the update is still available for his Samsung WP7 device:

Daou said his only guess was that Microsoft “may have stopped the OTA over-the-air) notification to the devices that weren’t notified yet, but didn’t actually pull down the update. That’s why handsets that have already been notified (like mine) are still getting prompted to update.”

I sent another query to Microsoft, asking again what was going on with Update 1. I also asked what the company was recommending to users whose phones have been bricked. I asked when Microsoft planned to reissue a new version of Update 1 (beyond “ASAP”). So far, I’ve received no word back. See bottom of this post for an update from Microsoft.

My biggest qualm about buying a WP7, as I stated last fall, was that the device — in spite of the “7″ in its branding — is a version 1 product. Four-plus months after the phones began shipping, Microsoft is getting around to releasing its first updates for them. There are two “major” updates slated for calendar 2011 for the devices — “NoDo” and “Mango.” As Windows Phone Secrets author Paul Thurrott said, if the first update is any indication, I don’t have a lot of faith in what’s going to happen with the later ones.

Meanwhile, in other WP7 news, it looks like Sprint is about to announce its first CDMA WP7 handset on February 24 (according to various tweets company officials have been sending this week).

That’s good news for those of us here in the U.S. who still have no WP7 devices available on our carriers. But given CDMA support isn’t slated to arrive until NoDo, and NoDo is expected around March 8 or so, I’m curious when those Sprint devices will ship.

(For the record, Sprint announced on February 24 that the HTC Arrive phones will start shipping on March 20 for $199.)

Those of us on Verizon still have no idea when we’ll see our first WP7 phones (other than first half of 2011, last we heard). But given the current update chaos around WP7, I’m thinking it might be a good thing that Verizon still has no WP7s in sight to tempt me….

Microsoft really needed to hit a home run with WP7 to make a comeback in smartphones. So far, I’d say they’ve fallen short of what’s needed. What do you think, WP7 users and potential buyers?

Update (5:20 pm ET on February 23): Just got some answers to some of those aforementioned questions from a Microsoft spokesperson. Here’s the latest:

Q: Has the WP7 update 1 been pulled? If so, for which phones/carriers? When will it be reinstated, if it has been pulled?

A: “We have identified a technical issue with the Windows Phone update process that impacts a small number of Samsung phones. This software update remains available to customers with the exception of Samsung as we are in the process of temporarily taking down the update for those phones in order to correct the issue as soon as possible.”
Q: How many users are affected?
A: Worldwide, we’ve seen a 90% success rate for customers attempting to install this update. Of the remaining ten percent, the top two issues encountered are the result of customer internet connectivity issues, and inadequate storage space on the phone or PC. These account for over half of the reported issues with this update.
Q: Is MS doing anything to help users whose phones were bricked?
A: All but a small number of customers have been able to restore their phone to the pre-update state.  As a precaution, we are in the process of temporarily taking down the software update for Samsung’s Windows Phones in order to correct the issue and will re-distribute the update as soon as possible.

(Note: I am asking again what those users whose phones were bricked could/should do. Update 2: The word: “If your device is in an unrecoverable state, you should contact your mobile operator or device manufacturer regarding your options for repairing your device.”)

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RE: Microsoft's Windows Phone 7: When bad things happen to good phones
makrekdw24-24353594290712237987002085017500 10th Nov
fsluqq,good post!
Despite all the talk about the update bricking handsets, i think it's important to keep in mind this is ONLY ONE handset affected by the update bricking (from what i've read) - w/ that in mind, i don't see how the blame can lie solely on MS. Also I am not really clear if this bricking only occurs if you attempt the OTA upgrade (due to no backup made) or if updating via Zune gives the same result.
In any case, I've been fond of saying "If everybody's X and you're Y, the problem likely isn't everybody". In this case if every other handset works fine w/ the update, except the omnia, then the problem likely isn't (solely) the update and/or the update process.

I'm not scared by this, but what I am (still) miffed by, is the fact that MS has admitted carriers can block an update (provided they didn't block the previous one). I'd like to know if my carrier blocks an update, can i still update thru Zune?

And i'm right there w/ ya, Mary, i want my WP7 on VZW!
-Brandon
@bc3tech and from my experience in "hacking" wp7, it?s probably samsung?s fault because they were the only OEM messing badly with registry and hardware default settings. Coincidence?! i doubt it
@bnlf : so how come Android phones haven't had that problem.

"Messing around with the system" is basically what HP does with Windows (sans Phone) 7. Their start menu is a butterfly and several other hacks. If Windows Phone 7 was indeed a mature build, no problem will have occurred.

The real problem is not the UI which is just a fancy makeover using Silverlight. The problem lies on the underlining OS (Windows CE 6.0 R3). It's damn buggy (aka the R3 release) and am sure most of the bricking on the Omnia was a result of incompatible device drivers.

With that said, Windows Phone 7 is a fancy OS hidding a bug ridden, never complete OS refresh that Microsoft started just after Windows 95 and never actually completed. All OEMs had abandoned Windows CE and rather than fix it, they changed the name to confused the non-technical guys (now it's called Windows Embedded Compact 6.0 in line with the successful Windows XP Embedded and Windows Embedded Standard).
@bnlf Coincidence. According to Microsoft...

"Of the remaining 10 percent, the top two issues encountered are the result of customer Internet connectivity issues and inadequate storage space on the phone or PC," the company representative said. "These account for over half of the reported issues with this update." Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20035622-75.html#ixzz1EskrR0he

Not Samsung...
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To me, the biggest deal about the updater update debacle is the PR engine that comes out to laud this as 90% fantastic. Hooray! It might have been MUCH worse. They didn't brick them ALL!

That pretty much says everything that needs to be said about the level of confidence we have in these engineers. We were only decimated. They didn't kill all the WP7 handsets yet. Party time at Windows Phone blog poster central. Tap the keg, pop the bubbly! Unleash the snark about user error. Prepare to attack our partner Samsung. This must NOT be our fault!

And of course blaming the handset vendor and the users is a master stroke. That's got to inspire confidence in people pondering a purchase or partners considering a deal. The user error that happened here is that the user chose a WP7 phone.

Of course, when the real update comes they get to try again to wipe out the rest of the WP7 user base. They can do more damage next time, with an update that also changes things. I believe in them. Maybe with the real update they'll find an opportunity to blame the mobile carriers as well, for something more than blocking this update which was "ready to go in December". That'll be the trifecta of hateful marketing.

Nokia's engineers have to be ecstatic about this. Their new software partner can deliver a minor, feature-free update that doesn't wipe out the entire installed base. That's quite an achievement.

Samsung's got to be a little less enthusiastic. It's bad enough that most of their initial run of WP7 handsets is accumulating dust in a back storeroom somewhere. That they have to eat most of the margin on the ones sold to provide swapouts for a software issue that's not their fault must be salt in the wound. It's going to affect their cost/benefit analysis going forward.
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@bc3tech First, to clarify; it's multiple phones, but generally one manufacturer that we know of at this time. That's a little different then one phone. Secondly, the whole point of the Windows Phone 7 vs. Android debate was that by regulating and controlling the user environment Windows guaranteed no fragmentation and a flawless UI experience. So at what point does this obvious fragmentation start being Microsoft's fault and not Yahoo's , the carrier, or Samsung?
@Socratesfoot

Weren't early reports of bricking for the Samsung Omnia 7, as opposed to the Focus (which seems to work fine with the updates?)
@bc3tech

I agree. I'm not scared of this at all. We've seen all the big phone players have issues with updates. This isn't any different.

My wifes on Tmobile so I bought her the HD7. She absolutely loves it. I'm just waiting for VZW to release it's WP7 so I can make the leap!
@rob.sharp@...
make sure you have see solid terra firma before you take the leap ...

good luck
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Despite all the talk about the update bricking handsets , i think it's important to keep in mind that WP7 hasn't sold well. Only a portion of this number, Samsung users, might be affected by the issue. It isn't a problem worth reporting.

/sarc
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@Richard Flude
Why is that? It would be an interesting subject to discuss.
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Perhaps 600K units?
symbolset 25th Feb 2011
@Richard Flude That's worthy of reportage, I think. That would be 60,000 failed handsets with maybe 10,000 rendered useless. Several million dollars worth damage, thousands left without cellular communications while they work out their issues - maybe 4-6 weeks.

The share of sales isn't noteworthy really. It should be lumped in with "other". But the scale of this mess is disproportionate to market share.

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@bc3tech Hello, it's technology folks. Not everything works perfectly for every user. However, I agree, this is not news worthy based on the installed base and % of users affected.

For me, Windows Phone 7 is the best phone / smartphone experience I have encountered. Since November, I have not had to remove my battery or have my device become unstable. Remarkable.

Perhaps we should discuss what this OS get's right - cloud integration. I travel the entire U.S. and I don't have to worry about syncing my photo's or OneNote across multiple platforms... It's seamless. Wow, now that is a feature that changes the game and brings real value.
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Remarkable
theo_durcan 24th Feb 2011
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Since November, I have not had to remove my battery or have my device become unstable. Remarkable.
wow, double wow. 2 1/2 months running, for a Windows device, remarkable
@Mary Jo

Mary Jo please, you constantly come here and bash Microsoft.
Go back to your useless ipad and write about Apple and how awesome you "think" the ipad and iphone and ipod and imac and ibook and i*.* is.

Windows phone 7 is way better than iphone was at this point in it's life, and it will end up being a lot better than what iphone will be, and droid for that matter.
I HAVE a SAMSUNG FOCUS AND MY PHONE IS NOT BRICKED!!!!

You people amaze me, you talk as if a iphone has never been bricked by an update. Well, if you think about it, and iphone should NEVER be bricked. Apple has total control on the hardware. it's not like MS where they have 6 to 10 phones currently out there to support, with a lot more on the way.

Its like if MS farted, you anti MS people would be there to report that. You all are hyper sensitive, let it play out then report on it.
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Your take on the matter is, well, outdated...
adornoe@... Updated - 24th Feb 2011
just like all excuses that try to justify any deficiencies with any product or service.

Look, when a tech company is going to compete with a product, they had better put out a product that can compete with the "current" technology of the other companies. That stuff about "at this point in its life" is not going to cut it, and it is not going to be any kind of a plus for anyone seeking to make a new purchase and who is going to be looking for the latest and greatest of technology in their purchases.

While Microsoft tries to catch up with the features available with the competition of 1 or 2 or 3 years ago, that competition is moving further away with their added features or their new and improved products.

Catching up with what used to be the technology of 1 or 2 or 3 years ago, isn't going to be very convincing to someone looking to plunk down between $800 to $1000 for the next two years.

Microsoft needs to get it's act together fast, or they'll be left even further behind, and it might take them another 3 or 4 years to catch up, if they ever do at all.
@mikroland

It has always been amusing to me to see the arguments that partisans of this camp or the other put up to support their statements and delusions.
"WP7 is way better than iphone was at this point in it's life"
Wow. I presume this is a plain admission that WP7 only compares to a product of... 2007! What an accomplishment!
But the real issue here is that... competition is healthy and should be hailed! You guys got WP7 (good or bad whatever) just because iphone and Android obliterated Windows Mobile and Windows reacted.
If we all had Windows (just as with PCs) innovation is stifled.
So let's hope Windows also get bashed in the PC realm.
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MSFTWorshipper 28th Feb 2011
@mikroland Mary-Jo is the biggest MSFT booster on ZDNet.
Ten percent of WM7 users? Why all the fuss about six or seven people?
Haven't recieved the update yet but so far I love Windows Phone 7. Best phone os I have ever used, and I also own an Android phone and an Ipad.

I actually can't think of a single update that hasn't caused some sort of issue on any platform. It happens, hopefully they will get it fixed and take good care of the customers that were affected.
@incendy I have never had an issue with an OS update for my DROID EVER!! I started with 5.1 and thanks to Cyanogen I've been steadily upgrading through 6.1.2.
@Socratesfoot Wow! Aren't you impressive? They're only up to Android 2.3 at the moment. LOL
@Socratesfoot - I don't believe the poster mentioned your phone specifically. They said on any platform. Can you state in fact that no droid anywhere ever experienced an upgrading hiccough? Didn't think so...
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LOL... Roid update... BWaaaaHaHaHa!!!
i8thecat 23rd Feb 2011
The big question with Roid is can you actually update it... If so, will it be this year or next year or the year after if at all... And being that Roid is only up to 2.3... Did you make a time jump through a portal to the future to get that 6.1.2 update?
@Socratesfoot I had a problem with my Droid X. After the August update, my phone became slow and unstable. Other phones like it that I saw updated properly, but mine went ape ****. Ended up having it replaced. No way for user to re-flash the firmware on android without rooting it.

Similiar story with an iphone 3G i had before. after installing iOS 4.0, the phone became atrociously slow and froze often. and as we all know, Apple wont let you go back to previous firmware. only way to do that is jailbreak the device and save the shsh # BEFORE flashing it. or something like that
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Pete "athynz" Athens 23rd Feb 2011
@Socratesfoot So what is the future like? Do meals come in pill form, have they finally perfected the flying car? Cured cancer? Brought Walt Disney out of cold storage?

Hate to burst your bubble here but the Android OS is only up to 2.2 shipping and 2.3 about to ship... so tell us how you "started out" with 5.1 and are now at 6.1.2...
@i8thecat -- he said he's using Cyangen, so 6.1.2 would be Cyanogen's modded build, 6.1.2, which I believe is based on Android 2.3. No fancy time machines necessary, just confusing numbering.
@Socratesfoot

5.1?
6.1.2??????

Your version is old dude, they're on 13.333 already.
@Socratesfoot I know of 2 people with Droids that bricked after an update.
@incendy
good man
just keep on taking the powder
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I still want my WP7 on VZN
Will Farrell 23rd Feb 2011
If this effects the Omnia hanset only, then I'll look at the Focus if it makes it to VZN.

Updates have allways caused havoc across carriers and phones. A friend had his Android OS updated and his email quit working. After 2 hours of tech support the end deterination was to go talk to LG
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Well and truly bricked.
thelondonthing 23rd Feb 2011
My Omnia 7 has been well and truly bricked by this update.

That would be bad enough, but the way it's been handled since then has really rubbed salt into the wound.

My phone now fails to boot beyond the Samsung logo splash screen; attempts to force a hard reset or to re-flash the ROM via Download Mode result in the phone simply rebooting and getting stuck at the splash screen again.

Microsoft, via its Twitter support feed, is directing users in my position to return phones to carriers for replacement. When I spoke to my carrier, T-Mobile UK, they pointedly refused a replacement, saying it's "not our software", and referred me to Microsoft, as it was Microsoft's update that killed the phone.

The staff I spoke to at Microsoft for the best part of an hour were sympathetic, but claimed they were unable to assist, as there was literally nothing they could do other than sympathise - they don't have replacement phones to send out, and they don't have an in-house repair centre for end-user devices, so they referred me again to either my carrier or to the manufacturer, Samsung.

When I spoke to Samsung, they also gave me the "it wasn't our software update" line, before accepting that the phone could be repaired under warranty - but they refused to guarantee a replacement handset if a repair wasn't possible, and given that my phone is less than three months old, and that the clusterfvck occurred during ordinary responsible usage of my device, this seems less than satisfactory.

Finally, I returned to my carrier again; they conceded that they would help with getting my problem resolved, but that the best they could do would be to take the device off my hands and send it back to Samsung for a standard manufacturer warranty claim. This, they claimed, would provide me with either a repaired handset or a replacement handset "within 4-6 weeks". They demanded that I take my phone to a T-Mobile store for processing, but they did say that a temporary loaner-phone would be provided while I wait for my phone to be returned. In a magnificent twist worthy of this developing fiasco, my local T-Mobile store was out of loaner-phones, and I was advised to either go to another T-Mobile store several miles away, or to buy a cheap pay-as-you-go handset from them and then call T-Mobile customer services on 150 to see if they'd credit the cost back to my account. No guarantee of that, naturally.

So, I'm now without my lovely shiny Windows Phone that I've been boasting about to all my friends, and evangelising to the world about for the last three months. And boy, do I feel like a prize chump for talking it up.

I don't know who to be most p!ssed at - T-Mobile, Samsung or Microsoft - but I'd say there's plenty of shame to be shared between the three of them for how poorly this has been handled. For my part, I'm having quite a day, as three companies that I've been exceptionally loyal to for many years have all basically stuck their middle finger up at me in quick succession.
@thelondonthing

Thus a source of frustration for PC users is seeping into the phone market. The fact that so many companies are involved gives them all a reason to shift the responsibility to each other. This same old scenario played itself out over and over again with Windows and PC hardware makers.

Sorry you got caught in the "not my XXX" problem.
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I was just mentioning that above
Will Farrell Updated - 23rd Feb 2011
@yoshipod
Where a freind updated his Android OS, email quit working, and VZN finally told him to call LG
@yoshipod
so much benefit being had for hardware and software being supplied by different vendors

I just wonder how this works other wise?

Duty of care, customer support, contractual obligations and the list is endless
@yoshipod - Yes, there are disadvantages to EVERY computing philosophy. I am shocked.
@yoshipod
Sounds like a good reason to buy an iPhone - their SW and HW.
@yoshipod
What is your excuse for Apple? You are holding it the wrong way. Cut up an old innertube and wrap it in that to stop the problem, etc., etc., etc. Please take off the rose colered glasses! This is the way all corporations operate. Get over it!
@windozefreak What is your excuse for Apple?

Apple was not even mentioned in his post... you are already looking like a troll but let's continue.

You are holding it the wrong way.


Ahh yes, the utterly predictable ABAer "insult" - bring up the overblown antennagate situation... I have an iPhone 4 and have yet even in areas where AT&T's reception sucks to make my iPhone's bars drop from the so-called grip of death. Yup, looking more and more like a troll spreading FUD... next.

Cut up an old innertube and wrap it in that to stop the problem, etc., etc., etc. Please take off the rose colered glasses! This is the way all corporations operate. Get over it!


When my wife had an issue with the wifi radio in her iPhone 3g - it would not pick up any wifi at all - she took it to the Apple store, they tested it and gave her a brand new iPhone 3g on the spot. She has the phone for almost a year before she took it in. The topic here is the WP7 update bricking some Samsung devices and Here we have the carrier, Samsung, and Microsoft playing "pass the buck". THAT is the issue, not something that happened with a competitor's device months ago that was overblown by the tech media and the Apple Hater's Club. But this is a typical Apple Hater attempt at misdirection and FUD... nice try but FAIL! Thanks for playing.
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Bruizer 23rd Feb 2011
And other manufactures response to the Antenne non-issue. Don't bring us into it.

Does it matter I can make a Droid-X or Incredible drop a call at will by holding it wrong? Nope. How about any of dozens of phones? Nope.

Give it a rest.

Personally, I have been wondering how MS's first mass deployment would work. This is actually a very hard thing to do having done flashing of code/OS over unreliable networks. It is actually tricky and this is why Apple has had some issues. Google has had some issues. MS will also have some issues.
This why we need a stronger consumer protections. The situation needs to be simplified: whoever sold you the phone should be the warranty executor if any part of the phone fails within the warranty period -- whether the defective part is the on/off switch, the speaker, or any function of pre-installed software. The carrier committed itself to the hardware AND the software when it completed the sale with you. They should only be off the hook for things you do to modify its design. Since extendability is THE huge selling point of the phone, they're still responsible if an app you install in the approved manner breaks the phone. The carrier should have to work with Microsoft or Samsung if they have a grievance with the high support costs of the phones they're selling.
@thelondonthing
Man you sound like they are out to get you. Don't worry, they all have problems too and my girlfriends iPhone was no exception when they released the new iOS update it made her phone slow as a snail and was not usable other than making calls since it was dog slow. Took them a few months to issue an update to reverse the slowness. May be a bit better than a bricked phone, but she was pretty unhappy for a few months there.
@OhTheHumanity

as you said it was not bricked. The iPhone thing was the finder updating every thing all the time that could be fixed by simply going into setting and switching it off.

All the patch did was just that, and to remove the option on a iPhone 3G
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should the phone be bricked, or so slow as to be useless, are they not essentially the same thing as you can not use either for their intendended puposes?
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What a jerk
symbolset 25th Feb 2011
This is not about your imaginary girlfriend's iPhone.

thelondonthing's got troubles, and is sharing a personal experience. You can't twist this into some counter-marketing spin where you say all phones suck. This is where we commiserate with a suffering comrade, offer best wishes and whatnot.

Take the lesson learned. "Caveat emptor": Let the buyer beware.
@thelondonthing painfull. PS very well written account!
@thelondonthing

This is exactly why Apple is doing so well with the mobile market. They avoid 99% of this type of conflicts and why they will continue to lead. Android suffers from this same issue and is looking to get worse before it gets better.

MS for the most part is irrelevant in the mobile market and screw ups like this are only going to make things worse for them.
@Kabcock

And Apple updates don't have any problems at all? I don't think so...

WP7 has a lot less fragmentation in general. Note how this is limited to a specific manufacturer (perhaps even just a specific model) out of everyone else.
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RE: Microsoft's Windows Phone 7: When bad things happen to good phones
makrekdw24-24353594290712237987002085017500 10th Nov
fsluqq,good post!

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