Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

Summary: Here's what's here ... and not.. with the first two Windows Phones from Nokia that were unveiled at the opening day of the Nokia World trade show.


Nokia took the wraps off its first two Windows Phones at the opening day of its Nokia World conference.

There are two of them: The Nokia Lumia 800 (the phone known as "SeaRay") and the Lumia 710 (the phone codenamed "Sabre"). The phones both are built on the same 1.4 GHz Snapdragon processor and  "Mango" operating system release. The Lumia 800 features a 3.7-inch display and an 8 MP camera and a ; the 710 has a 3.7-inch display and a 5 MP camera. The estimated retail price of the Lumia 800 is 420 Euros (about $585 U.S.) and the 710 is 270 Euros (or $376 U.S.).

The rumored third Windows Phone device -- a more business-focused phone codenamed "Ace" was a no-show today (if it exists at all, which I believe it does).

Many on Twitter noted the first Nokia Windows Phones were solid, but lacking some of the features one might expect -- like front-facing cameras, built-in NFC support and on-device storage of more than 16 GB.

There's no official word as to when -- and actually if -- the Lumia 800 and 710 models will come to the U.S. Nokia officials promised a "portfolio" of Windows Phones will begin rolling out in the U.S. starting early next year, but didn't actually say whether those two devices will be part of that portfolio.

We do know that Nokia is going to support CDMA and LTE in certain markets where it makes sense, but, again, no specific official promises. (ThisIsMyNext reporters noted that Verizon Wireless reps were at the show, which is a somewhat encouraging sign for us Windows Phone users on Verizon who still only have one model from which to choose, a year after Windows Phone debuted.)

What wasn't lacking was Nokia's thoughts and plans for marketing the new phones with a slogan "Amazing Every day." Company officials played up during today's kick-off keynote the way Mango features that are common to all Windows Phones will resonate with consumers and help differentiate Microsoft's offerings from the Android and iPhone competition.

It doesn't seem as though Nokia is envisioning its Windows Phones as helping the company attract the next billion phone users; instead, Nokia is playing up its four new S40-based "Asha" phones as its offerings aimed at cost-sensitive younger users in emerging markets. That said, the Lumia 720 is going to be available first (later this year) in Russia, Taiwan, India, Hong Kong and Singapore. The Lumia 800 is going to be available first in six European markets this fall, and Russia, Taiwan, India, Hong Kong and Singapore before the end of the year.

Nokia execs also noted that Nokia is providing its Windows Phone users with some custom applications designed by Nokia and for Nokia products only, including its Nokia Music and Mix Radio services (which seem to have nothing to do with Microsoft's Zune service) and Drive voice-activated turn-by-turn directions.

Microsoft is really betting heavily on Nokia to push Windows Phone sales. Though the two Lumias introduced today look nice, they seem pretty pricey (to a U.S. consumer like me who is used to cheaper phones), especially given they don't offer a whole lot more -- feature-wise -- than other Mango phones. My ZDNet colleague Larry Dignan wonders aloud whether consumers will see them as "must have" gadgets. Maybe other phones in the coming U.S. portfolio will be must-haves, but these, to me, are not. You thoughts?

Update: Some of my European press colleagues don't see the new Lumias as pricey at all, once you factor in the subsidies. Here's a good chart from the Guardian which notes that when subsidies are factored in, the Lumias are considerably less pricey in England than the iPhone 4S.

Topics: Software, Microsoft, Mobility, Nokia, Operating Systems, Telcos, Windows


Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for 30 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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  • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

    Looks are important and finally there's a Windows Phone device that has half-decent looks (even if "borrowed" from Apple Nano ;-))

    But the lack of a front facing camera and a pitiful 16GB (12GB after the OS reqs) storage is unforgivable on a modern smartphone. The latter in particular is a deal breaker for me. A shame because all the hype and glitzy marketing is what Windows Phone has been sorely lacking right from the get-go. As is becoming common with Microsoft, Nokia's launch smacks of "too little too late" which is a great shame.
    • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

      @FastAndFluid Totally agreed. Was hoping for Nokia, now I'm frustrated. If I'm using my phone for apps, music and podcasts, it's filled after the first day.<br>iPhone 4GS has 64GB!!
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

        @Bluesware Skydrive?
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

        why would you fill your phone with music? you need zune pass and the cloud. move past the 90s
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

        @ neonspark<br><br>Because it can make sense to have plenty of cheap local storage on your device compared to the costs of data use overages and dependency on strong coverage to do the same exact thing.
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

        This is more of an obsession with numbers than practicality. First off, native cell phone apps are itty bitty. They have to be otherwise it will take forever to load and will chug along like you were running on mud. I don't know of very many people who would even consume close to a gig of storage for apps. If you are, I'm willing to bet you are just downloading apps like crazy but use them once. On a desktop with full blown programs 4 gigs will go a long way so how do you expect me to believe cell phone apps would even compare.

        Second, stop throwing the 64gb number around. Its cost for one thing is prohibitive. Second of all take 100 cell phone users. How many are even using 32gigs let alone needing 64gigs. Whats the point of having a huge storage if you only use 1/4 of it for the life of your device.

        I suspect people clamoring for storage is just filling it up with garbage for the sake of saying they can fill up 64gigs.

        After 2 years with my phone I think I'm approaching 2 gigs of storage used. I rely (not heavily) on my variety of online storage including's 50gigs, google music's many gigs and yes I do store music on my phone but I don't see the worth of storing 16 gigs of music.
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

        The more the merrier, for recording video.
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

        The insane WP7 16Gb, and no MicroSDHC slot is going to be an achillies heel worse than the 64Mb O/S adress space limit on WinMo.

        You'd have thought MS would have learned and made 32Gb entry level for WP7 from day 1, with as much MicroSDHC as you can eat.

        Sky drive - path to the ruin of your cell phone bill from your greedy cellphone provider and their new wheeze of capped data tarriffs.
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

        @Bluesware I have been using the HTC Trophy for months now and have not even come close to filling up the 16 gigs, I have also opened up the phone so I can put a 32 or 64 gid sd card in it, but have not found I need it. The phone works great with the 16 gigs so far...
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not



        Been using my HTC Mozart for nearly a year and still only used 1.6G out of the 4 available. Really don't know what you are talking about. Since WP7 has built in functionality that require apps on other phones and I understand how to stream music - not really a problem ;-)

        Oh and my smartphone lasts 2-3 days - looks like you're plugging in every few hours ;-)
    • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

      @FastAndFluid I have an question is Nokia Lumia 800 is comparable with this phone take a look:
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not


        Same design, different OS.
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

        @nomikhokher Engadget did a tale of the tape between these two. N9 wins.
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

        @nomikhokher See
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

        So Nokia ripped them selves off copying their own N9. Giving it a new name and loading Window on it....
        Would like to see a real word test where non-tech users get both the Windows version and the N9 Meago version side by side and choose. My guess is that the N9 will win.
        Johan Safari
    • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not


      front facing camera is useless. let's be honest. notbody uses it. storage a very 1990's idea that is going to become more and more irrelevant with the cloud. I've never needed more than 8gb, then again I use the cloud heavily because it is better local storage.

      however these phones are surely going to put windows phone in the map to mainstream consumers, specially overseas where nokia is the toyota of cell phones. having well made devices that android can't get, as well as unique features like xbox integration is what will drive future consumers to get a windows phone.

      With the iphone 4s being a total let down, nokia msft bought themselves a year. clearly these are phones that were already in the pipeline for meego when they were re-purposed (it is no accident the 800 looks like a small n9). 2012 should bring the type of handsets we're expecting built for wp from the ground up.
      • The trap you all fall into...

        @neonspark to assume that whatever you need in a phone is what everyone needs. I see the same thing in nearly all phone reviews and comments: Whatever features the commenter wants are absolutely critical, must have features...for them...and they can't seem to accept the idea that anyone else might have different usage patterns.

        The front facing phone is useless to me, but for someone who wants one, not having it is a problem. Saying it is useless is just as bad as the guys saying the phone is useless if it doesn't have one.

        Storage is the same idea. Apparently they way you use your phone, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to me for entirely different reasons (i.e. I do store lots of stuff on my phone but for me 16 GB is plenty).

        Then again, I'm still using my Original Droid - and have no burning desire to upgrade as its doing everything I need.
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

        @neonspark or could it be that Apple saw that MicroNokia was not really doing anything to threaten their current lead with todays announcement - leaving one more year for them to innovate w. iPhone 5 (did anyone say no SIM card?).

        To me it can be both ways around, but admittedly I love my 32GB almost full, facetime iPhone.

        BTW flat rate data is not a reality to many making cloud a very expensive proposition.
      • Nope

        @neonspark my 32 gig IPhone 4 is almost always filled to capacity. I take pictures in HD, take video in HD, have gigs of music. My next phone needs 64 gig, that's obvious. Looks like it will need to be IPhone or Android. Darn.
        A Gray
      • RE: Nokia's first Windows Phones: What's there, what's not

        @neonspark <br>To even get its foot in the door against the iPhone with a little know unproven W7 OS, Nokia has to push the hardware like Android does. The 7 OS can not stand against the iOS without some real wiz bang hardware behind it. This is not that hardware, had to stop myself from yawning while I read about it. You also realize that the "total let down" iPhone4s had sales of over 4 million in the first 3 days and presently enjoys large numbers of back orders. Lets hope the Nokia enjoys such a "let down"