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(Not so) Crazy Microsoft Rumors: Microsoft store for NYC coming in 2011

By | December 8, 2010, 8:34am PST

Summary: Today’s (maybe not so) crazy Microsoft rumor involves Microsoft’s brick-and-mortar stores. I hope this one pans out and we get one here in New York City in 2011.

As part of my job as a full-time Microsoft watcher, I get a lot of tips about Microsoft from customers, competitors, partners and even Softies themselves. However, ever since I worked for PCWeek more than 15 years ago, I had it drilled into my head that until I could get three independent sources — none of whom was repeating something s/he heard in an echo chamber — to corroborate a tip, I couldn’t run it as a story.

These days, I see lots of single-sourced tips being posted by bloggers and journalists. More than a few of these are based on a single, anonymous source, with no further identificationto help readers decide whether a tip is likely to be true or not. No “according to a Microsoft partner who requested anonymity.” No “so says a customer angry over the latest slip-up, who asked not to be identified.” Not even a thinly veiled “according to a person who was not authorized to speak for Company X” (but did so anyway).

This lack of attribution gave me a maybe-not-so-crazy idea. A year or so ago, inspired by the “CrazyAppleRumors” folks, I bought the “CrazyMicrosoftRumors” domain name. I let it lapse. But I recently repurchased it. Why not put the concept to use?

I’ve launched a series of occasional posts here on “All About Microsoft,” where I take a single-sourced tip that I can’t find two other independent sources to verify and run it as a “rumor.” I’m not going to do this with just any old tip; I am going to pick and choose ones where I have faith in the tipster’s batting average and/or believe the tip makes a lot of sense. I will clearly label these posts as “(Not so) Crazy Microsoft Rumors,” so readers know exactly what they’re getting.

If you want to send along any rumor candidates, just use the e-mail form at the bottom of my blog. All tips I receive are considered confidential, so don’t worry about including your real name (if you want to do so).

I’ve run a couple of these rumors on my blog so far. One, about Microsoft’s plans for a Zune HD2, still is active and — I believe — likely to be proven true in 2011. The other, about Microsoft’s involvement in Facebook’s new messaging system, was right on the money.

Today’s “rumor” has to do with the Microsoft brick-and-mortar stores, which have been slowly multiplying over the past year plus.

Currently, Microsoft has stores in San Diego, Calif.; Mission Viejo, Calif.; Scottsdale, Ariz.; Lone Tree, Colo.; Oak Brook, Ill.; Bloomington, Minn.; and Bellevue, Wash. Microsoft’s strategy with these stores has been to locate close to Apple stores in each city and use the stores as a showcase for new PCs, Xboxes, Kinects, Windows Phones, games, apps and other consumer goods.

According to one of my sources, who has had a very good accuracy track record, Microsoft may field as many as six new Microsoft stores in 2011. On the short list of likely sites: Houston, Orlando and … at long last … New York City.

As readers of my blog know, I have been advocating for a NYC Microsoft store for some time now. Those of us in the city without access to a car (and/or a driver’s license) have very few options for checking out multiple models of Windows PCs from more than just a couple of vendors. We are at the whim of the few remaining retailers that offer PCs.

This reality was brought home again this week during Microsoft’s New York City holiday showcase. (Microsoft held the same event in San Francisco a week ago or so.) Because there are no retail outlets in either of those cities where potential customers can come in and kick the tires of Acer, ASUS, Dell, HP, Samsung, Panasonic, Toshiba and other vendors’ Windows 7 PCs, Microsoft had to rent space, haul in lots of equipment, fly in execs who could show off the machines to press and analysts (and ply us with food and drinks).

Update: In case this is not entirely clear: I am not saying the showcase was a proxy for a store; it was a press/analyst event. But the event reminded me of the obvious lack of some kind of mega-retail store that offers a variety of Windows PCs.

At Monday night’s event, I saw a few nice newish Windows 7 PCs at the December 6 event that I hadn’t seen before, including the Acer TimelineX 1830 ultraportable, the Lenovo ThinkPad Edge and U160 netbook, the Samsung SF510 “Shark,” the super-light Panasonic ToughBook C1, and the $9,999 Origin “Big O” gaming rig with an Xbox 360 built in. (Cool new Windows 7 slates? Nope, as expected, nothing to write home about.)

I bought my Windows 7 PC (the ASUS UL30A) over a year ago without having the chance to actually hold it or type on its keyboard. I had no idea how much crapware would be preloaded on it. I only found out about its existence via various blogs I read and took a chance on it after reading tens of reviews. That is a terrible way to buy a new PC.

If I had wanted an Apple machine, I would have had a choice of three Apple stores in Manhattan — all within walking distance — where I could have test driven a variety of models. I’m not a fan of the Apple store experience, but hey, at least those stores exist. My source didn’t know where in New York the Microsoft Store will be located. If Microsoft follows protocol, it will be either on Fifth Avenue, the West Village or Soho, where the Apple stores are located.

I’ve asked Microsoft execs repeatedly when a Microsoft Store would come to the big Apple and was told by various folks that they had no idea. If my tipster is right and it’s in time for Holiday 2011, I wonder what the “big draw” will be next year, given this year it’s Xbox/Kinect. It will be too soon for Windows 8 PCs and too soon for Windows Live next (both rumored for 2012 deliveries).

Where do you think Microsoft should put its next Microsoft Stores? Or are you in the camp that thinks Microsoft Stores are nothing but money down the drain?

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 25 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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Mary Jo Foley has covered the tech industry for 25 years for a variety of publications, including ZDNet, eWeek and Baseline. She has kept close tabs on Microsoft strategy, products and technologies for the past 10 years. In the late 1990s, she penned the award-winning "At The Evil Empire" column for ZDNet, and more recently the Microsoft Watch blog for Ziff Davis.

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RE: (Not so) Crazy Microsoft Rumors: Microsoft store for NYC coming in 2011
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They should put one in Tijuana.
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@Monkeypox

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A NYC Microsoft store would be a double win! The first win is that millions of people would be able to see Microsoft's latest and greatest products first hand. Second win is that its NYC! You can't go wrong with this plan.
@Loverock Davidson - the biggest win for buying a PC from Microsoft is that your new machine comes with no crapware and only the (very well tested) drivers necessary to control the machine's hardware.
With Microsoft right now, it looks like the tail is wagging the dog.
@james347 Please tell why?
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Super True jimmy!
Ron Bergundy 8th Dec 2010
another EPIC FAIL like the Kinect!!
@cyberspammer2 no your the epic fail
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Might be a good reason
Cylon Centurion 8th Dec 2010
To make the 4 hour trek to NYC.
@Cylon Centurion 0005

I don't think Microsoft wants you to waste the money on a trip to NYC to just go window shopping (no pun intended).

They prefer you spend the money online buying something that say Windows on the box.
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Wrongo
Ron Bergundy 8th Dec 2010
they want you to buy from the store to make it look like they matter!
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re:Wrongo
Alan Henry Updated - 8th Dec 2010
@cyberspammer2

tRu dAt. I'll buy your theory.
Houston would be great.
@mosammey

Naw, hurricane alley. They have assets to protect.
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Why? The current stores are FAILs
itguy08 Updated - 8th Dec 2010
Seriously, the current MS stores are pretty much failures.

They would be best served by figuring out how to do retail and then doing that. That's a hard sell since the Microsoft brand is pretty much dead to consumers.
@itguy08

The current stores are "pretty much failures"? What do you base that on? I visited the store in San Diego and it was pretty awesome. Very nicely designed and packed with people have a great time. The line to play with the Kinect was long and there was a big crowd watching people playing, laughing and having a great time. People were playing with XBOX's and PC's, trying out the Windows phones, playing with Kindle's, playing games on a surface. Most people were walking out of the store with products that they bought. The Apple store is a few doors down and seemed downright boring in comparison...cool colors, smug salespeople, and not as many people.
So MS is great in the game market? That is their only connection to consumers. Please tell us what products this massive throng of people were leaving with. Did they buy a large number of those 'Playing Games on a Surface' units???
Get real!
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smug people?
sportmac 8th Dec 2010
@marksashton
oh dear. i've never encountered a smug person in an apple store and i'm in dc and have several to choose from.

this is a lame argument. my guess is you walked in with an attitude because you wanted that experience.
@john_gillespie: You asked:

When I visited the Bellevue store recently, the store was packed to the gills with people queueing outside, waiting to get in. MS was having people line-up because they weren't allowed more people into the store due to fire & safety rules.

I saw A LOT of Kinect's being purchased along with LOTS of Windows Phone's, XBox Games, new laptops, lots of accessories, etc.

Only the numbers will tell the truth and we should start seeing those numbers next year as Microsoft publishes its results over the coming quarters.

Until then, proclamations such as yours based entirely on your own seething loathing and ignorance aren't worth the paper they're not written on.
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Thats so true!!
Ron Bergundy Updated - 8th Dec 2010
itguy08. you sound unbiased and pretty darn smart - they should have you working for them, maybe then theyd be able to earn 50 billion like everyone else does!
@cyberspammer2 u and itguy must be the same person, a fraud with no life, how's your mom's basement
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New Stores
rjohn05 8th Dec 2010
They need to put one in Austin and Dallas.
Also, why do these stores need to look so much like Apple stores? Why can't they just come up with something different? they already have an image of copying everything Apple does. They have done a lot to shed that in my opinion but these Apple store knock-offs set them back.
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MS has no original thoughts
itguy08 8th Dec 2010
@rjohn05

They were founded on other people's ideas. Billy Boi got started by buying DOS from a Seattle computer company.

MS has never had an original idea and probably never will. The funny thing is how badly they have tried to copy Apple's retail stores. It is quite comical.
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I agree!
Ron Bergundy 8th Dec 2010
with you itguy08. Apple INVENTED the concept of a computer store!!!
@itguy08 ... sorry? Whut? Are you smoking something?

Sure, MS bought the guts of DOS to accelerate their implementation of an OS for a hardware platform that wasn't even released yet back when most of the core OS code had to be written by hand in Assembly with no debuggers, etc. Let's see you try that.

But that was a long time ago. Since then, Microsoft hired some of the smartest guys and gals in the world and created Windows NT - entirely from scratch. NT3, NT4, Win2000, XP, Vista and 7 are evolutions of the NT platform. And before you bleat on about how "NT is just VMS or OS/2" or similar claptrap, it is not even close. When designing NT, Microsoft examined many other OS' (heck, at the time, they even sold XENIX - their own port of UNIX!) - both commercial and research (e.g. MACH) before deciding on the design of their new OS and then building it.

FWIW, Apple's OSX is largely built atop a kernel fuzing MACH3 & FreeBSD, with a lot of the technology Apple acquired when it bought NeXT to get Jobs back on-board. That's why OSX' primary development language is ObjectiveC.

OSX was then minimized and ported to run on iPad, iPhone and iPad before being re-branded as iOS.

Don't be so silly as to believe everything that little, biased, nasty, ignorant little voice in your head keeps telling you - most of it isn't true.
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They need to put one in Austin and Dallas
Alan Henry Updated - 8th Dec 2010
@rjohn05

Naw, Jerry Jones doesn't like competition. They would need his express written consent. Aint going to happen.
@rjohn05
Why do Microsoft stores look similar to Apple's? Same reason all apparel stores look similar as do all liquor stores. They sell similar stuff. I have been to a Microsoft Store and it had an Apple store immediately opposite it. It was more spacious and didn't feel as suffocating as the Apple store. There were 2 huge screens where kids were trying out the Kinect. That is one thing that Apple stores don't have - let people try out and play video games on Xbox. It also gave me an opportunity to check out some cool new laptops from different manufacturers all in one place just like the author of this article wishes to be able to do.
@rjohn05 You obviously haven't been to one. They don't look much like Apple stores. They're much more colorful whereas the Apple stores are basically white. They're much more lively...XBOX games, Kinect games etc. They have a lot more software and game titles on sale. The design is modern and "clean" but not nearly as minimalist as the Apple store. For example, all of the walls are video screens that either show interesting facts, visual imagery or XBOX/Computer displays depending on what's going on. The people who work there are completely different. Much more upbeat vs. too cool.
I'm not going to say one is better than the other but they're definitely not the same.

Apple stores are super-minimalist-Kubrick-2001 style stores, Microsoft stores are like something from MTV.

Unsurprisingly, Apple fanboys prefer the Apple stores and Microsoft fanboys prefer the MS ones, who woulda thunk it?
That's not coping! It's MicroSoft innovation.
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john_gillespie, are you ill
Mister Spock 8th Dec 2010
I have found that those suffering with mental instabillity or emotional issues are quick to post on subjects that do not pertain to them, though impact their emotional being in a negative way.

The logical course of action would be to check your schedule to be sure you have taken you medications for the day.
plain
We'd like one in London please wink
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location is important
john_gillespie@... 8th Dec 2010
They should put it next to one of the Apple stores. That way they may get some accidental traffic from the visually challenged. Now, if you want to see a notable MS product you just have to go to a GameStop.
@john_gillespie@... Many Microsoft stores are within sight of an Apple store. Microsoft's new store in Bellevue's Lincoln Square is a couple of doors down (and MUCH larger and more vibrant than) Apple's store.
LOL, are they really trying to compete with Apple Stores? lol

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privacy solutions?? ROTFL!!!
Ron Bergundy 8th Dec 2010
i think i'll deal with someone who knows what there talking about why would i want to deal with amatures?!?
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apple store
sportmac 8th Dec 2010
oh well, the ms store will be SUCH an improved experience for you. they are so different than an apple store.
that column you linked to was pretty bad. you didn't want to buy apple because you encountered a few zealots. and we all know in the world of microsoft those kinds of people don't exist.

so i'm curious, how many people did you encounter before you adopted that attitude? dozen? two dozen? what's the number of posts by apple zealots that set you off? hundred? thousand? thousands? dozens? what did it take to get you all beside yourself when it comes to apple?

reading stuff like that is like being in a really bad after school special.
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Wait, what??
Theseus 8th Dec 2010
There are plenty of 'Microsoft stores' in NYC where you can view many models of Windows PCs.

Off the top of my head, they're called: Best Buy (multiple locations), J&R and B&H. A Microsoft branded store would only be redundant.

And besides, most tech savvy consumers don't even shop in brick and mortar stores for their computing needs; it's online shopping for us.

Apple stores are great for their awesome tech support, but I've never actually bought anything from one. I bought an Macbook Air from Amazon though, with Applecare, but I can take it to any store.

Now, if MS actually offered tech support to every Windows PC in their stores, *that'd* be something, but I don't think that's the case, as the line of people carrying myriad white box PCs would snake out the door and down the block.
@Theseus - and have you ever visited a Best Buy or similar and actually tried having a sensible conversation with the utterly uneducated sales-chimps they employ?

Most of the kids working at Best Buy are utterly clueless at best. There's the occasional salesperson who has a clue but their lack of real knowledge is easy to find.

And as for the utter shite that they stock and offer to their customers ... try finding a laptop in Best Buy without a screen like a mirror - you won't. Try finding any worthwhile machine like an HP Envy or a Sony Z Series. I only saw the latter in one store and they only had the "baby" of the range and didn't stock any of the better models.

And to make things worse, the machines they sell are laden with a cornucopia of crapware.

Buying a laptop/PC from Best Buy and the likes is a horrible experience.

Now compare to going to an MS store where they employ well-trained staff who actually know what they're doing, offer a good range of great machines (without any unnecessary crapware) and where you can have some fun while you're at it.

It's a night-and-day experience.
I too would like to see a store in the Dallas area. If the criteria is they need an Apple store nearby, we have at least 3 that I'm aware of.
Not sure we can trust Mister Spock >> remember Invasion of the Body Snatchers ? :-r just kidding great post medications he he.Why would a dot com giant pilfer in Brick and mortar stores? Knowing they need trucks , tires , gas , maintenance , laborer and all the middle man processes that most companies try to avoid ?
I visited the store in Bellevue on opening day. The display of laptops and phones was very good. Staff was knowledgeable and helpful.
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Mary Jo's ASUS UL30A
Gis Bun 16th Dec 2010
It's getting to a point that if you can get all the drivers that you need beforehand that you are better off wiping the system and install the OS with a disk from Microsoft instead.

Dell was bad but HP is notorius when it comes to the crapware of late. I remember when HP dumpoed something like 20 screen savers [do we really need so many of them?] each with their own uninstaller plus Works, outdated Acrobat Reader [full release outdated not a minor release], and loads of other crap.

Then of course you need the latest updates plus half the drivers on the system are already outdated. And Flash player. And some trial version of some bloated anti-virus.
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