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So where's Microsoft's Live Mesh?

By | November 18, 2009, 9:38am PST

Summary: One noticeable no-show at this week’s Microsoft Professional Developers Conference is Live Mesh. Live Mesh, Microsoft’s synchronization service that is the pet project of Chief Software Architect Ray Ozzie, was one of the main attractions at previous Microsoft developers’ conferences. I asked Ozzie for an update on it this week at the Microsoft PDC. Here’s what he said.

One noticeable no-show at this week’s Microsoft Professional Developers Conference is Live Mesh.

Live Mesh, Microsoft’s synchronization service that is the pet project of Chief Software Architect Ray Ozzie, was one of the main attractions at previous Microsoft developers’ conferences. When Microsoft first described the service, it was billed as a way to prove to consumers that Microsoft’s Azure cloud would have something of interest to them and not just business customers and developers.

Earlier this year, as part of one of the company’s many reorgs, Microsoft moved the Live Mesh team under the Windows/Windows Live group. Since then, things have gone quiet.

At the PDC this week, I (and others) thought Microsoft might give us a progress report on Live Mesh… or a demo of the latest version of it… or a roadmap for it… or something. But no.

I had a chance to ask Chief Software Architect Ray Ozzie about Live Mesh during a one-on-one interview with him at the show on November 17. I asked Ozzie why there was nothing about Mesh at the PDC. He said:

“We’re pushing the Live platform stuff to Mix. Or I shouldn’t actually say Mix, in terms of that, it is going to be spring….The Live stuff and phone stuff basically is out in that time frame.

“But that (Live Mesh) will no longer be discussed in the context of ‘Live Mesh,’ but rather in ‘the Windows Live platform,’ which is now, as you know, which it’s now part of.

I asked Ozzie a follow-up: If you aren’t using Live Mesh any more as a way to get consumers excited about the Azure platform, what’s the new plan to push the “commercialization of IT” strategy with Azure? Ozzie’s response:

“(T)he reality is — I know this isn’t very sexy — but I don’t think people are really going to be aware that it (Azure) is there. I think when people go to Web sites, they’ll just go to a Web site. They won’t really know what it’s connected to. When they use a phone or a piece of client software or a TV or a cable box that happens to talk to a cloud back end, it will just happen. And the way they will experience it is it will be reliable, it will be fast, it will scale.

“Probably the most important thing is that we live in a very faddish culture,… Whenever there is a service that’s backing up something that’s very trendy, these things will just happen without any issues. There will be black Friday and everyone wants to just buy their Beanie Baby and they’ll be able to.”

So if Live Mesh isn’t the consumer proof point for Windows Azure, what is? Ozzie said:

“(T)he best example I have is this app that (Microsoft Online Systems Division President) Qi Lu announced at Web 2.0 some weeks ago with Bing/Twitter integration. That came together in a very short time.

“In just a few weeks, a few developers got together and they had the Twitter fire hose, because of our relationship with — an early relationship with Twitter, and suddenly because of Azure, they were able to ingest this whole thing and start to do some amazing analysis that they could have never done if they had to, let’s see, how many machines should we order? When do we get them configured? When can we have rack space in GFS (Microsoft’s Global Foundation Services)? Those apps just never would have happened. And that’s why I’m so excited about this Dallas stuff because even though it is obscure, it’s hard to give compelling examples of how to use that data, once people have the ability to make a discovery based on data and then scale it to lots and lots of data, I think new possibilities are opened up.

“I think consumers are going to experience the benefit of the apps. Just take the H1N1 thing that’s going on right now. I’m not sure exactly what the benefit will be, but when there are these large challenges, suddenly some new app may be overlaid on maps or maybe it’s an app on a map that brings together some health data with geo data or an industry that you work in or something like that will pop up, and we’ll take it for granted at the time when it happens, but it will never have been able to happen without all that data behind it.”

When I recently asked some execs in Microsoft’s Entertainment and Devices division — the folks behind Windows Mobile and Zune — about their plans for implementing Live Mesh, I didn’t get a sense they had any real, near-term plans (and I don’t think they were just being cagey).

I’m really wondering what’s going to happen with Live Mesh going forward. Any guesses/hopes?

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 25 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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RE: So where's Microsoft's Live Mesh?
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
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Project name changed
zdnetregistration 18th Nov 2009
It's Microsoft Live Mess now under Ballmer's leadership.
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Actually, it works very well.
njoho 18th Nov 2009
It might be stuck in some pre-release limbo but whats already available to use does exactly what it says on the tin, with no fuss.

That said, I think MJF is forgetting what the D in PDC stands for - concrete news around Azure is very important, as are .Net 4.0 and SL 4.0. (I sure DonnieBoy will be along to tell me how irrelevant it all is anyway, but there are MILLIONS of .Net developers for whom all this stuff is deeply relevant).
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It's deeply relevant for developers
fr0thy2 18th Nov 2009
who need a monopoly to tell them what, when and how to think. They won't be tomorrow's innovators of course, in the same way that people scamming companies out of continuous Windows upgrade license fees contribute nothing.
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I wonder...
njoho 18th Nov 2009
Do you even see the irony of your comments?

Yup, I thought not.
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RE: So where's Microsoft's Live Mesh?
smithbob 18th Nov 2009
i hope they don't get rid of or just leave it alone because i really like it.
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plus 1. (NT)
njoho Updated - 18th Nov 2009
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RE: So where's Microsoft's Live Mesh?
beversca 18th Nov 2009
I love mesh, my wife and I use it personally all the time and I let my IT customers know about it. It works well, seems very reliable, and is easy to use. I'd be willing to pay a modest fee for using it - especially if skydrive were integrated and I could gain access to 25GB of storage.
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Integrated into Live services
rjohn05 18th Nov 2009
I think it will be integrated into the sync service. It already works great. I use it a lot.
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Live mesh rocks!!
prathyush.samineni 18th Nov 2009
Live mesh is freaking awesome. I use it all the
time now. I hope they increase the storage
limit(even if they charge for it).

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Please don't lose mesh
Jaap_98 18th Nov 2009
Please do not let this be another great product that dies because
MS marteting sucks!
Why on earth are all the free live / mesh products not on billboards
all over the country? The software included with the competition is
mostly average or less, yet due to their competent marketing
muscle the consumer somehow perceive added value.
As a shareholder and satisfied customer I say MS PULL your
socks up fire your public relations and marketing losers and start
again. There is no reason not to be great again.
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It's not disappearing
Travelcard Updated - 18th Nov 2009
Funny that we both had different conversations with Microsoft about Mesh on the same day. My contacts in the UK say that it is going to be merged into "Windows Live Sync" and that the storage is going to be increased.
Probably not as high as the 25GB for Skydrive yet, but I can see those being eventually merged too.
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Sure, it will morph into the platform
eInfinity 19th Nov 2009
Mesh is such an important success for MS that it will eventually be integrated in the MS Platform as a whole. MS has these great competing ideas (Mesh, Sync, Skydrive, SyncToy) that average consumer would not use, it is a good thing they are unifying it and merging them into the cloud platform. The name will be dropped, but its spirit will live on!
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I agree it's a Live Mess
Jouni Heikniemi 19th Nov 2009
I wouldn't blame Ballmer on it like the first poster, but Live Mesh has been lingering in the beta stage for too long. Such an extended beta phase with no clear roadmap puts products in a state of doubt. Given the general fear towards cloud computing, there's no need to further risk Live Mesh by being excessively vague.

Similarly for Live Framework, whose futures I just blogged on: http://www.heikniemi.net/hardcoded/2009/11/live-frameworks-next-steps-are-fuzzy-at-best/

Given that the Live Fx team now seems to focus on a very Mesh-like file sync operation, it would make sense that the announcements for the next Live Wave would outline a plan for both of these. But at the very least it looks like Mesh isn't going to be the original application repository in a long, long time.

So, I'd go for expecting a polished file sync application in Live Wave 4 next spring.
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RE: So where's Microsoft's Live Mesh?
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
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