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Testers to get Visual Studio 2010 Beta 2 this week; final by March 2010

By | October 19, 2009, 6:44am PDT

Microsoft is making what may be the last beta of Visual Studio 2010 and the accompanying .Net Framework 4 before they launch next March available to testers this week, company officials said.

MSDN testers will be able to download Beta 2 on October 19. Microsoft plans to open the beta to the public on October 21. The company is planning to launch the final version of its latest development suite on March 22, 2010, officials said. Microsoft’s goal is to deliver the actual bits by that date, not just to hold a launch.

Microsoft launched Beta 1 of Visual Studio 2010 and .Net 4 in May.This past summer, Microsoft officials told partners to expect the marketing/training/sales push for Visual Studio 2010 to begin in April 2010, so it sounds like the development is running on schedule.

Microsoft is positioning Visual Studio 2010 as its tool platform to support Windows 7, Windows Server 2008 R2, Azure, SQL Server, Office 2010 and SharePoint 2010. Support for SharePoint 2010 is new, as of Beta 2, officials confirmed. SharePoint is the “fastest growing platform, from a developer mindset,” for Microsoft at this point, said Dave Mendlen, Senior Director of Developer Marketing.

Visual Studio 2010 also includes new drag and drop bindings for Silverlight and Windows Presentation Foundation; interoperability with the ASP.Net model view controller (MVC), better multicore support and UML support.

Microsoft is touting .Net 4 as being 81 percent smaller than its predecessors, making it quicker and easier to download and install. Also unlike its predecessors, .Net 4 can be installed side-by-side with the previously released .Net 3.5. It adds support for the Microsoft Dynamic Language Runtime (DLR), giving programmers more language choices; and is more suited for parallel-programming, workflow-centric and service-oriented application development, according to the company.

“Beta 2 is not about dramatic changes to the features but is more about improvements to the performance and quality,” said Soma Somasegar, Senior Vice President of Microsoft’s Developer Division.

Microsoft officials also shared on October 19 more details about the planned packaging and pricing for Visual Studio 2010. Microsoft is cutting the number of SKUs of Visual Studio to four main ones, and is doing away with the database, architect and test versions. The four:

  • Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate with MSDN. Includes all of the current Visual Studio Team System functionality. $11,924 for a new license ; $3,841 for a renewal
  • Visual Studio 2010 Premium with MSDN. $5,469 new; $2,299 renewal
  • Visual Studio 2010 Professional with MSDN. $1,199 new; $799 renewal
  • Visual Studio 2010 Professional without MSDN. $799

MSDN subscribers will be getting unlimited access to Visual Studio Team Foundation Server 2010 (upon release), its team-collaboration server; a set (variable) number of compute hours per month for Windows Azure development; and up to 40 hours per year of e-learning classes per subscriber.

To attempt to get developers to move to MSDN Premium before Visual Studio 2010 launches, Microsoft has created the Ultimate Offer for VS developers. Anyone who is an active subscriber to MSDN Premium by the time Visual Studio 2010 launches next March will be transitioned automatically to the next higher level VS 2010 SKU with an MSDN subscription at launch.

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Side-by-side installation
njoho 19th Oct 2009
You said "Also unlike its predecessors, .Net 4 can be installed side-by-side with the previously released .Net 3.5"

Notwithstanding the fact that .Net 4's predecessors actually was .Net 3.5, haven't all previous versions of .Net featured side-by-side installation?
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Yes the blog got it wrong
Qbt 19th Oct 2009
What it was supposed to say was that you can run multiple versions side-by-side within the same process, which allows scenarios like having .Net add-ons that are using different .Net versions at the same time.

On the other hand, you have always been able to install multiple versions side-by-side, so I don't know why Mary-Jo got it so wrong.
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Perhaps
Tiggster 19th Oct 2009
Perhaps it's because she is human? happy
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You can install them all
Tiggster 19th Oct 2009
I believe that every single version of the framework, like VS itself, can be installed side-by-side. It was true all the way back to version 1.0. You just can't run multiple builds of the same version simultaneously, which there should be no need to do so anyway.
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translations....
Linux Geek Updated - 19th Oct 2009
Microsoft is touting .Net 4 as being 81 percent smaller than its predecessors, making it quicker and easier to download and install.
M$ tells you that you'll get a crippled version this time. You'll have to pay for the 'upgrade'.
Also unlike its predecessors, .Net 4 can be installed side-by-side with the previously released .Net 3.5.
M$ have been touting this feature since .nyet 1.0. Now they finally come clean about previous lies.

To add insult to the injury, you would have to pay thousands of $$$ for a subpar product while OSS is cheaper and better.
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A little more complicated then you think ...
devilmaster 19th Oct 2009
Well.... strictly speaking you can install .NET 1.0, 1.1 and 2.0 side by side, As far as 3.0 and 3.5 are concerned they install on top of 2.0. This actually isn't an issue as neither have any changes that will break a 2.0 app as the runtime is essentialy the same. So with this regard they haven't been lying about the side by side ... it's just that this realese is a side by side release.

One area where there is great improvement is the fact that you can load different versions of the .NET runtime side by side in THE SAME PROCESS. Something which was previously imposible...
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same lies
Linux Geek 19th Oct 2009
advertising 'side by side execution' to avoid the dll hell is the same lie exposed.... how can you execute without loading in a process?
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You misunderstand
Tiggster 19th Oct 2009
Perhaps you have this question due to your lack of understanding of the framework? This issue has absolutely nothing to do with DLLs. You're starting to sound like the MS fans who go through the "Linux always has kernel faults and can only play one sound at a time" nonsense. happy

Tapping into multiple versions of a framework to allow the usage of third party components compiled against various versions has absolutely nothing to do with DLL hell. I have been developing on the .NET framework since version 1.0 and have never encountered a single traditional DLL issue. Do a little research before spouting off things that simply aren't true. happy
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You've been trolled.
njoho 19th Oct 2009
He's not interested in truth, or even Linux. The more you respond, the harder he masturbates.
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scritch, scritch, scritch
trashcan@... 12th Apr 2010
Oh, man! That's classic! Love it!
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Must be why open source is copying it. ROFL
No_Ax_to_Grind 19th Oct 2009
Your welcome. wink
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Eclipse
Tiggster 19th Oct 2009
Eclipse does look at awful lot like a poor man's Visual Studio, doesn't it? I did notice one major difference though. When I created a new project and simply tried compiling it under Ubuntu, I kept receiving compiler errors when I know my code was correct.

I guess, at least under Ubuntu 9.04, that you need to do more than install the Mono packages and Eclipse to get a working .NET environment running. I'm sure I was missing something fairly simple, but it did seem a little lame. I couldn't even find any online resources to help me past it.

One thing about Visual Studio, it does work right out of the box. happy
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@Tiggster
cody.skidmore Updated - 19th Oct 2009
I had a similar experience. I'd like to leverage Linux but getting things running requires a lot of effort.

I need to focus on product development. I can't get distracted fixing scripts and recompiling source to get tools working.

Linux is a great idea and I like to use it. I actually donated funds to the DreamLinux project. It isn't practical (at least for now) as an enterprise development platform.

It seems like core Linux developers are more interested in out-geeking each other then making Linux appealing to enterprise developers (and their managers).
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Mono is promising
Tiggster 19th Oct 2009
Mono was actually the reason I recently installed Ubuntu again. It's a very cool idea, but it would be nice if it just worked after the appropriate packages are installed through the package manager.

If everything worked smoothly I wanted to play around with porting the client for our online poker site to Linux since there are few native options for playing online. It just didn't work out. I may try again using Ubuntu 9.10 and see if I have more success.

If I could get this going I would spend some time playing with it, but it's gotta work first. happy
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@Tiggster
cody.skidmore 19th Oct 2009
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
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Actually...
storm14k 19th Oct 2009
If I were you guys I would stick to Windows. Mono is going nowhere and is basically uneeded outside of MS. I was just reading about the defections of even MS diehards to other platforms from .Net on an MS centric site. Anyway if you want to work on Linux then use Linux for it benefits...not for the failed attempts by some to bring the world of the half-baked to something already stable.
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Interesting...
storm14k 19th Oct 2009
...I didn't know Eclipse had a Mono project. If it didn't work well I wouldn't be surprised. No one wants to use that crap so why spend time building tools for it.

Everything else works great. And I sure find it difficult to understand how Eclipse looks like a poor mans VS when VS has started to look like Eclipse and their are addons to VS to give it the refactoring power of Eclipse. Theres simply nothing in VS worth copying.
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Except for...
jasonp@... 19th Oct 2009
the millions of Visual Studio developers when they look over at the thousands of Eclipse developers and wonder why there are so darned few of them. If Eclipse were the answer to all the software development tool issues in the world, surely everyone would be using it, right?
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They aren't?
storm14k 19th Oct 2009
Oh I forgot. You also have NetBeans, IntelliJ, JDeveloper and probably a few other good Java IDE's splitting the market. The millions of Java/LAMP/RoR/Python/Perl/etc. developers are looking at the .Net developers huddled in their little corner with their isolated framework wondering why they limit themselves. If .Net was the answer to all development platform issues surely everyone would be using it right?
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ROTFLMAO...
jasonp@... 19th Oct 2009
And pretty much everyone doing Windows development is using the .net framework. And since 90% of the world runs on Windows, that would mean that a huge majority of developers are using it. By all means, stick with your 10%. They're doing fine work. They just aren't doing the bulk of it by a long shot.
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@Jason....this is only fun when its remotely true...
storm14k 19th Oct 2009
...or believable. But you made two HUGE mistakes here that kinda kill the fun. First there must not be much Windows development going on since hardly any applications on the Windows desktop use .Net. Second I say desktop because thats the only place Windows has 90% market share. In the server world Windows is in the minority. At that the only place .Net is being used heavily is for intranet web apps. Thats quite obvious when you look for .Net resources and they all talk about ASP.Net.

Sorry buddy but Java still holds its majority share and LAMP still holds its lions share of the web. If you want to develop desktop apps thats great....not a ton of market for that any more but have it your way. You certainly aren't talking about making any real money by cornering yourself off in the server world with .Net.
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Yeah, ok...
jasonp@... 19th Oct 2009
And net beans is going to take over the Windows world. Uh huh. Tell you what, you go ahead and exclude the number one development platform for Windows machines. It seems pretty clear you already have. I'll limit myself with both Windows and non-Windows development skills rather than deciding Windows has no future and we'll both keep an eye out for the Windows killer that has been promised since the mid-1990s. Might not want to hold your breath waiting on that one.
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Correction: MonoDevelop
Tiggster Updated - 19th Oct 2009
I believe I misstated when I said I used Eclipse with Mono. It was MonoDevelop instead. I did try Eclipse though with some simple Java examples and it had trouble compiling as well. GCC and RealBasic are the only two compilers that I've gotten to successfully work on Linux, but I must admit I've not spend much time trying either.

I know a lot of the Linux zealots are anti-Mono because of their paranoia of Microsoft. This is unfortunate because Linux finally has an opportunity to rally around a productive and consistent API, but many who claim to be Linux advocates are set on destroying it. I was happy to see that Ubuntu is standing up to the nonsense and actually giving Mono the time of day.

It may be true that the majority of developers are not .NET centric, but if you want to develop real applications that are marketed towards the end user, you have few viable options besides .NET. The world moves too quickly these days for a small programming team to use VC++ to pump out desktop applications of any significance in a reasonable amount of time. And Java as an alternative? Give me a break!

If you are content with creating web pages for businesses, you can stick to your PHP or whatever other crap you use, but if you want to design unique new products for end users, you are rendering yourself irreverent by shunning .NET.

If Mono fails it will be a significant setback for Linux as a viable alternative on the desktop. It's the difference between making it reasonably easy for companies and independent developers to migrate their Windows products and offerings to Linux versus putting up undue barriers that will severely discourage such efforts.

You are letting your hatred for MS impede the very thing you passionately advocate, a viable desktop Linux. This is where ideology unintentionally destroys the very thing it's supposed to be facilitating.

Why are people so blind?
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I think you simply can't develop.
storm14k 19th Oct 2009
First you thought you used Eclipse to write Mono/C# (theres a plugin now that doesn't receive much pub by the way). Then you claim you couldn't get your simple Java example to compile lol. So in other words you simply don't know how to write Java. In Eclipse the code is compiled everytime you save a file unless you uncheck that option. The only time it doesn't compile is if you have errors which are clearly marked in red and can be fixed by the aid of the IDE. So if you couldn't get a simple example to run you must be a terribly poor developer. I wouldn't dare post something like that in public myself.

Personally I'd prefer .Net "natively" on Linux just as Java runs "natively" on multiple platforms. The fact that Mono is just some offshoot, backwoods third party attempt at .Net rather than a first class effort sets off warning bells.

I guess I'll stick with the "crap" that the majority of the world is using then lmao. There is nothing about .Net that makes a product "unique" or "new". Well maybe for developers like you that can't compile an application with an IDE that compiles it for you (pausing here while I laugh) but for those of us that actually know how to develop its nothing spectacular. I guess you're into shiny bells and whistles like Infragistics. In the real world thats crap. Users want functionality and don't care if they get it in monochrome. They want their information and they want it fast...not pretty.

Keep making pretty desktop apps if you want. The major vendors out there are moving everything to the web and none of them are doing it with .Net. As I said in another post. We have two powerhouse vendors basically telling the shop I'm in to move off Windows any chance they get. They simply don't want the hassle of supporting their software on such a pain in the rear.

Oh and as far as desktop Linux. It doesn't need Mono. Why?....because there aren't any .Net apps to port to Linux to begin with. No one is using it. No one is really bothering with desktop apps anymore period.
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Besides.....
trashcan@... 12th Apr 2010
I thought that was the whole premise of "Open Source". Promoting free exchange of ideas... for the betterment of the software community...

And then, when someone does that... but with their OWN product... Aaaaigh!

Envy kicks in! They cannot admit it's "better" because THEY didn't make it.
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Funny...
jasonp@... 19th Oct 2009
but I have Visual Studio 2005 and 2008 running side by side. With a few mouse clicks, I can compile my Visual Studio 2005 projects to the .NET compact framework 1.0 SP 3, the .NET framework 2.0 SP2, the .NET compact framework 2.0 SP 2, the .NET framework 3.0 SP 2, the .NET compact framework 3.0 SP 2, the .NET framework 3.5 SP 1 or the .NET compact framework 3.5. And I do. Frequently. So to add insult to injury, maybe you should take a little time to learn something before spouting off and making yourself look like a little child trying to force your way into a grown up conversation.
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Sad thing is....
storm14k 19th Oct 2009
...that this is actually a feature. This should have BEEN the case from scratch. But as usual MS invents problems that they then solve to the delight of their fans as if its actually something ground breaking.
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It has been the case...
jasonp@... 19th Oct 2009
for about a decade now, since they started moving away from COM and the dll hell that defined it. It's only ground breaking now to people who haven't been paying attention since the 1990s.
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@Linux Geek
cody.skidmore Updated - 19th Oct 2009
Linux Geek,

OSS has its problems also. For instance, developing
an application that runs on all Linux derivatives is
challenging.

OSS should focus on addressing issues like a
unified API standard so application developers can
target all versions of Linux vs. a specific derivative
and version. Then the door would open to consumer and
enterprise application development.

It would also be more productive than expressing
political views.
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They did try to address it.
Tiggster 19th Oct 2009
They copied the .NET framework and called it Mono. happy
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Which arrived at the same result....
storm14k Updated - 19th Oct 2009
...as .Net.....garbage.
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One man's garbage...
jasonp@... 19th Oct 2009
is another man's treasure. 90% of the world runs on Windows. If you want to cater to the 10%, have at it. I personally like making money.
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Only problem is....
storm14k 19th Oct 2009
90% of the world isn't running on .Net. You have to think outside of MS sometimes. The majority of other platforms are cross platform. .Net is the only platform limited to Windows. So working on those platforms is catering to 100% of the world while you're chopping off 10% for no gain. Mind you that 90% you're seeking is only the desktop market. Start talking about server applications and you've cut out WAAAAAAY more than 10%. In fact you're cutting out the majority. I don't know about you but I make money, don't need Windows to do it and actually make more without it.
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90% of the world...
jasonp@... 19th Oct 2009
certainly aren't using Java or PHP or Ruby or anything else for that matter. I can only speak for my customer base, which is 95% Windows with a combination of web and desktop applications and 5% *nix (both Linux and Unix). For me it's a quite simple equation...5% doesn't pay the bills, 95% does. I think outside MS when my customers ask me to. As you can see, that only happens 5% of the time. My door is always open for non-MS development work. It just doesn't come around nearly as often. For me, it's simple economics.
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Therein lies the problem....
storm14k 19th Oct 2009
95% of your customer base is not 90% of the world LMAO. But I'm assuming now that you're developing desktop apps because even MS wouldn't dare attempt to claim that they power 90% of the server world.

If you limit yourself in the Windows world then I guess you get stuck there so maybe thats why you see 95% of your customer base on Windows. In my case I get to see the bigger picture and see people fleeing Windows like the plaque in many instances. I'm at a shop right now doing just that and mainly because the vendors of the software they use (VERY big time vendors I might add) don't want to support the MINORITY of customers that run on a Windows platform. In fact when they call in for support they are almost ALWAYS told that the should switch to a *nix platform. Now if you wan to be on the shrinking platform go ahead...don't really see how that helps your economics. I turn down the Windows work that comes my way. I don't need it and its not worth the hassle. I always have someone anxious to take it from me. You see while its probably 95% of their work just like yours....its a rather small fraction of the entire pie.
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Reading comprehension problems?
jasonp@... 19th Oct 2009
No, I don't limit myself to Windows. I leave that up to my customer base...a base which encompasses companies in the US, Canada, Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Italy, Egypt, Australia, Japan and China. Unlike you, I tend to let my customers dictate which tools will be used in their environment if they so choose. Most do. If you cared to actually read my posts rather than jump to wild conclusions then you'd know that I don't limit myself. If they want LAMP, they get LAMP. If they want Java, they get Java. 95% want Windows and almost all of those want .NET. I know it must be devastating to your ego to believe that corporations around the world disagree with you that using Windows in any way limits them. In fact, many of my Windows-only development customers do use other operating systems such as Linux...for file servers. Not as application servers. Again, I can feel the devastation that must be coming over you just about now. See, I'm not a zealot when it comes to which tools I will use. Unlike you, when someone comes to me asking for development and I ask them which technology they want their development done in, I don't discriminate for or against any technology. When they tell me they want something written in .NET so that their own internal developers can extend the code I write for them down the line, they get .NET code. If they happen to have Java developers in house, I'll do the work in Java to make their lives easier. If their expertise is more along the lines of PHP, then PHP is what they get. One thing you will learn if you're in this business long enough...customer service isn't everything, it's the only thing.
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Coporations can disagree with me...
storm14k 19th Oct 2009
...but they can't disagree with themselves. Windows is the minority when it comes to servers plain and simple. Its great if 95% of YOUR clients use Windows. Thats what you'll see when you live in that little ecosystem. But no matter how you slice it....its a little ecosystem no matter how many countries you spread it across. The majority of the world isn't on .Net. And its only when I work with .Net people that I find people that believe that lol. Many get away from that foolishness eventually and look to places like alt.net to become familiar with the rest of the world.

Why would my ego be hurt? I have no stake in any platform because I can work with them all. I'm just laying out the facts plain and simple.
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Windows is the only platform that matters
Tiggster 19th Oct 2009
Windows is really the only platform that matters on the desktop in the grand scheme of things, so Windows is the only platform that has the luxury of being proprietary. A development platform that crosses operating environments diminishes itself on all. Just look at the crap we see from Java when they try to use it to develop desktop applications on Windows. It's a disgrace. These languages are cross platform because they are watered down to make it happen.
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LMAO @ cross platform languages...
storm14k 19th Oct 2009
So basically all languages except C# are watered down including C/C++ and assembly huh lmao.

At any rate as I said before Windows can be the ONLY platform period on the desktop and it still wouldn't matter. No one is developing new desktop apps anymore. And hardly any of the development that continues is done with .Net. And it certainly isn't worth a nickel in the server room. Just look at the crap the London Stock Exchange got with .Net. They scraped the whole thing and went Linux. It was a disgrace.
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LSE
njoho 20th Oct 2009
Just look at the crap the London Stock Exchange got with .Net. They scraped the whole thing and went Linux

The LSE is continues to run TradElect, despite what Steve J Vaughn-Nichols might like to report.

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/traders-and-brokers/products-services/connectivity/tradelect/tradelect.htm
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Time for me to go Premium!
pedroroque 19th Oct 2009
My msdn renee date is January, so I guess I will be upgrading my msdn pro subscription to Premium.

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RE: Testers to get Visual Studio 2010 Beta 2 this week; final by March 2010
devilmaster Updated - 19th Oct 2009
well .. you can have application A running .NET 1.1 and application B running .NET 2.0 at the same time, this has been posible from the start. However until now you could not have application A running a plugin in the .NET 1.1 runtime and a plugin running in the .NET 2.0 runtime .. U notice the diference ? First case two processing running different runtimes which has always been posible, second case same process which needs to run two runtimes now posible...
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RE: Testers to get Visual Studio 2010 Beta 2 this week; final by March 2010
cody.skidmore Updated - 19th Oct 2009
I agree with you. My experience wasn't limited to Mono though. I'd like a partnership between enterprise developers and core Linux developers. There doesn't seem to be one.

We're experts in building business applications and they're experts in building finely tuned operating systems.

We can't be affective unless we work together.
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@Storm14k
cody.skidmore 19th Oct 2009
This (fairly reliable poll) supports your opinion:

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/
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Yep
storm14k 19th Oct 2009
I just laugh at how the .Net crew gets so wrapped up in their platform that they think everyone else is too. Man I had a coworker that literally looked like his world turned upside down when I showed him that site. And I only showed him that site because he was in total disbelief when he walked by and saw Netcraft up on my computer one day. He saw the market share for Apache and said "oh...IIS must not be on here". I pointed to the IIS line and he was speechless.

He was like many others that come out of college these days only knowing how to build an app in VS and jasonp sounds just like him. They think that because VS and .Net is all they know its all thats out there and all everyone else knows and uses LMAO.
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@jasonp....I don't need a Windows killer....(meant as reply)
storm14k Updated - 19th Oct 2009
Why kill the minority platform? What good does that do for me? It can be the majority desktop platform....but again what good is that when desktop software is rapidly vanishing. Business apps are going web and even if you're going to do desktop business apps Java EE is much better suited to and enterprise application. All .Net brings to the table there are the UI features and nobody wants to spend more money on a pretty UI.

Sorry that your pond is shrinking but it is what it is.
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@Storm14k
cody.skidmore 19th Oct 2009
> ..nobody wants to spend more money on a pretty UI.

Productivity & usability are important. Don't you think?
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I would think so...
storm14k 19th Oct 2009
Yet literally the only benefit I find to developing desktop apps with .Net are the UI features. The rest is nothing greater than any other framework really.
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LOL...
jasonp@... 19th Oct 2009
The only benefit are the UI features. It doesn't get much funnier than that. While you certainly are right that the UI features are an important piece of the puzzle (and more than enough to justify consideration), they are far from the only piece. I'd argue that LINQ alone makes .NET 3.5 worth consideration for data-centric Windows applications of any kind even disregarding the UI features. But then, you've decided that .NET isn't a tool that you want to have at your disposal so you wouldn't know that.
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LINQ was actually rather hilarious...
storm14k 19th Oct 2009
I was on a job where a MS contractor was working on another project. But we'd have occasions where he'd come and privy us to some upcoming project. One of those was LINQ. I was tickled silly at the other developers that found this sqlmetal (or whatever it was called) code generation tool so amazing. I then went back to my desk and in 100 lines of code of a dynamic language eradicated the need for sqlmetal all together and showed them frameworks that already had LINQ like querying functionality. They were rather quiet after that but they still kept their enthusiams up internally. I keep up with them now and they don't seem to be as enthusiastic about LINQ. In fact one came to the realization of what I had long since known. Most of the new MS "features" only solver shortcomings of their own platform. Most of the time the shortcomings are no where to be found on any other platform. And when reading throughout the community most new "techniques" are about trying to force your way around even more shortcomings rather than actual good information.

But hey if you think LINQ is great more power to you lol. I'm glad you got to catch up. I decided lNet isn't worth the hassle from experience. So don't think I don't know about it or don't keep up with it to see if it turns around. Right now MVC.Net may be its saving grace but once again its just playing catch up.
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RE: Testers to get Visual Studio 2010 Beta 2 this week; final by March 2010
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