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What does it mean to be a Microsoft beta tester any more?

By | February 3, 2011, 1:32pm PST

Summary: There’s a lot of unrest in the Windows Home Server ‘Vail’ community right now, with a number of enthusiasts and testers wondering aloud whether their feedback means anything any more. And they’re not the only ones asking.

There’s a lot of unrest in the Windows Home Server ‘Vail’ community right now, with a number of enthusiasts and testers wondering aloud whether their feedback means anything any more.

The Vail testers — who are angry about Microsoft’s decision to pull what many of them consider a compelling feature very late in the test cycle — aren’t alone in their questioning. I’ve heard/read the same lately from Microsoft Most Valuable Professionals (MVPs), Windows testers, Windows Live testers, Office testers and others. Corporate decisions to de-emphasize or cut programs like the the Windows Clubhouse or Windows Test Pilots — all the while talking up how much “telemetry” data Microsoft takes into account when building its products — has even some long-term Microsoft loyalists wondering why bother.

This isn’t a new concern: In fact, it was the topic of much debate when Windows 7 and Windows Live Waves 3 and 4 were in the works. But with Vail nearing its final release — and as we move closer to the start of public test programs for Windows 8 and Office 15/Windows Live Wave 5 — I’m sure it’s going to come up again.

I started thinking about this last week while attending a press/analyst event on the Microsoft campus last week about the future of productivity, where members of the Office team revisited the role of telemetry data in building new Microsoft products.

P.J. Hough, Corporate Vice President of Office Program Management, noted that the Office team is doing everything from running traditional focus groups. to following information workers every minute of their work days from 9 to 5, to analyzing the “Send a Smile” data and other in-product feedback, to build a substantial set of data on how people use (and try to use) Office. It sounds like Microsoft is planning to continue to do the same as it develops and ultimately tests Office 15.

Hough reiterated during the event the philosophy which has ruled Office — and the post-Vista Windows world — regarding betas. The Windows and Office teams these days consider “beta” to be nearly-cooked versions of their products. Hough said Microsoft doesn’t want to experiment on its beta testers, but still value their feedback and take it into consideration in shaping the final builds of Office.

Many of the Microsoft beta testers I know expect and want to be guinea pigs, however. They don’t want to get products in near-final form; they are willing to get them when they are still raw and far from finished.

Office execs respond by saying the way the testing process is designed is to allow increasingly larger pools of people to test beta products. They say that there are much smaller, select groups who get the code for things like Office and Windows earlier, and that Microsoft increasingly grows this pool as the products move toward their release-to-manufacturing (RTM) date.

Maybe it’s the terminology that needs updating. Tech previews, betas, Release Candidates (RCs): That nomenclature used to stand for something that is different from how those terms are being used now by some teams. And the window of time between when Microsoft provides information and code to its more tech-savvy “insiders” and the public seems to be shrinking substantially.

I realize Microsoft products are used by millions (or more than a billion, in the case of Windows) and that it is impossible to take every piece of feedback into account. Extrapolating from data gathered from a variety of means is necessary.

But I’d argue not all users/testers are equal and shouldn’t be treated as such. Isn’t some tester feedback more credible and noteworthy than others’? All the telemetry data in the world means nothing if you discount some of your most loyal (and savvy) customers’/testers’ input.

Can/should Microsoft remedy this situation? Anyone have thoughts to share that may open closed ears?

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 25 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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RE: What does it mean to be a Microsoft beta tester any more?
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It takes too long for Microsoft to release a product and we are all testers as we have to work with beta software-Win7 and copy and paste.
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Maybe you just hit on something?
John Zern 3rd Feb 2011
@dsherman@...
Maybe they were getting to many trolls "testing" their software pre-releases and sending back a bunch of FUD?

Hmmm.
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Really?
search & destroy 5th Feb 2011
Maybe they were getting to many trolls "testing" their software pre-releases and sending back a bunch of FUD?

Any way to substantiate this?

Naw, of course not... lol...
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@dsherman@...

There is something wrong there somewhere. Maybe an English major can explain it.
@Economister : How about "What does it mean to be a Microsoft beta tester these days"? Or "... today"?
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Release timeframe....sweet spot?
rock06r 4th Feb 2011
@dsherman@... So what would the sweet spot be? MS appears to have a 2-3 year update cycle these days. Back when Win 95/98/ME had major release updates every 13-18 months, professionals much like ourselves complained that the timeframe was too short. When Vista took over 5 years to release, everyone whined and complained about that. So.. I think the 3 year cycle is a "happy" medium. Just look at the quality improvements that MS has been able to achieve in their server and desktop products with this cycle? Office 2010, Win 7, and Server 2008R2?? All of which are great products that are each capturing market share....?!
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@dsherman@...
Hey guys, I have been a M!crosoft beta tester since 95 went out, and am proud to have helped in any way asked.
I admit there were some hits and misses as far as holes and possible exploits, but, Bills kids have worked hard to fix them.
Win7 has been a godsend for most IT people, myself included, by way of being organized and actually simpler to dig into and root those nasty little root kits and scareware drive-by spyware. I will admit that when thousands of people help out on the final rc candidates the input can be staggering....so even trolls input will get added to the pile.....
Now on the length of time, remember when Microsoft first put out Millennium? It came out way to fast with way to many bugs, maybe a bit more time in testing would have been needed?
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The importance of seeming
Richard Flude Updated - 3rd Feb 2011
"...some long-term Microsoft loyalists wondering why bother."

MS practices haven't changed, now they're exposed. Sorry fanboys, the emperor was never wearing those magic clothes.

Another windows product being hobbled. Just they'll need yet another SKU, and price point;-)
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Wow, this site is rampant with trolls, waiting for any story to twist and turn to their own satisfaction.

Luckilly there are good people here without their own hidden agenda like your's.
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Hardly a hidden agenda
Richard Flude Updated - 4th Feb 2011
After a decade of exposing the uninformed MCSE posts it's time to enjoy the moment.

The fanboys believe a troll is anyone critical of MS. Suck it up.

What twisting was required? Was I off topic?
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Look who's talking
search & destroy 5th Feb 2011
Luckilly there are good people here without their own hidden agenda like your's.

Got lies?
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You did start....
rock06r 4th Feb 2011
@Richard Flude ...by calling people "fanboys". That's certainly a sign of a troll. Other than nonsensical namecalling, what intelligent commentary do you have to offer? I think this is the part where you start rubbing your ring, holding it gently and whisper "mmmmyyy pprrreeeshious..."
Hi Mary-Jo,
I'd like to point out that a lot of the points raised above do not apply across the board. I do extensive beta testing for a (perhaps) less newsworthy Microsoft product and the consitent level of engagement that I see from that product team toward beta testers is huge. I sometimes get involved when a feature is in planning and have input at that early stage.

The point being that not all product teams are the same. Generally I have observed that the teams building consumer facing products are the most secretive and I suspect that is because that's where all the external interest lies. In the boring old enterprise world we do fine, ta very much.
@jamiet,
I have to agree with you that the issue does not seem to be across the board. In my experience, enterprise products do take into account the feedback of the smaller pool of testers which are all bound by NDA. However, these are done long before public CTP, beta and RC programs.

The anger specific to removing DE from "Vail" probably centers around how late in the process (during CTP) the decision was made. I suspect it was a factor of delivery schedule, cross product dependency ("Aurora") and opportunity cost. The opportunity cost of delaying the release of "Aurora" probably exceeded the projected loss of revenue from shipping "Vail" without DE. Additionally, the projected revenue for "Vail" probably didn't justify the costs associated with branching it from "Aurora" to include DE.

This certainly isn't the first time Microsoft has disappointed customers by discontinuing products or features that didn't win a cost/benefit analysis. Just ask consumers that invested their time and money in the Microsoft Money PFM product or enterprises that did the same for the Planning module of Office PerformancePoint Server 2007.

I enjoyed flying on planes before they were always oversold, when I felt less like a sardine, didn't have to wait in line for the bathroom, and didn't have to pay for meals in coach. Unfortunately, successful businesses have to cut costs to remain profitable.
@bizNtel The "Vail" case was particularly bad because not only was there a huge and unpopular change late in the process, but the most requested new feature for WHS (Media Center) had already been excluded. So both early and late feedback, each with a tremendous amount of public agreement, were ignored.
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Good feedback
Mary Jo Foley 3rd Feb 2011
And yes, consumer and enterprise product testing is definitely different (for now, at least).

I have talked to some enterprise testers for products like Forefront/Stirling and Online services who have felt they are not clued in enough. There are also a lot of enterprise users of Windows and Office who often seem surprised about what's in the pipeline, making me wonder the extent to which their feedback is taken into account in early stages. MJ
@Mary Jo Foley Thankyou for taking up the baton and getting the voice heard of many former and current Windows MS Beta testers.

Its my view that the consumerisation of IT and the pressures somewhat exerceted by Apple and its product methodology has led to the situation we find ourselves today.

Apple has been sucessful with and has brought products to market with very little external testing. However, it is arguable (and I don't want to get into a fanboy/girl debate here) as to whether or not Mac OS has the same breadth and individuality as that of the Windows OS. Mac OS by its own makeup is quite self contained, descrete and properietary whereas Windows is on the other hand installable on many different types of PC, many different brands, etc. Its more diverse in this way, and so one could say that the testing and feedback loop should be different to that used for Mac OS.

It does seem due to consumerisation and needs for being somewhat secretive about future plans (to avoid the coyping of those ideas or IP) MS has 'shutup shot' with regards to road maps or those future plans - for the Windows Enthusisast and IT Professional who makes there living on Windows based products and systesm and has to support them this is a great shame.

Not everybody lives in the USA, has access to feeback panels, or can partcipate in a TAP program. However, a good many MS Tech Beta Testers did have a passion for MS software, and worked with there mutual customrs for deliverying MS solutions. Part of MS Beta testing was the buzz of testing, but also for the opporunity, if you don't mind the pun, to see whats coming next, so that you can "Be Whats next", that communication/feedback channel has been removed.

Nobody reading this should doubt the passion, drive and committment that Wendy Stidmon had towards managing the beta process. She was the glue between the beta testers, Product Managers and developers alike. She brought about a great community spirit and the abilty to interact with MS Developer first hand - you know what, they almost came across as being human again!!! ;o)

I work for a company and IT Application Delviery and Infraturcture is my career. Losing the abilty now to have an insight into what is down the road, how best to prepare, which skills to sharpen up on, and to provide timely, detailed feedback to product groups at Microsoft will be certainly missed.

Sure there is now telemtary, but it can only tell you so much. Further a lot of the reason why people will bother to feel in a survey or resond to feedback is if they have the interaction to demonstrate that the feedback is actioned - and sorry Mr Sinofsky, a by-weekely blog post will not cut it on that. Its about communication - 2 way communication, and building a rapport - not clicking a few buttons and hoping your voice may be heard...

Cheers

Janson
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AllKnowingAllSeeing 3rd Feb 2011
I read the linked articles you provided an saw:
1) a guy that saw no value in for himself, as the requirements are something he couldn't do anymore.
2) the other article had the line: However, judging by the lack of interest or activity associated with Windows Clubhouse, I?m doubtful that many care about the fate of the site
3) A personal opinion about a someone who was terminated for reasons they this person doesn't know, but will add their own reason to.
It would be nicer though if they could allow private testers to probably provide design change request that can be made during the products development. Not when the product is actually baked.

Looking back on the Windows 7 Beta and RC, along with Office 2010 beta Public releases. For the Public, they were really evaluations, not actual testing and feedback programs. I remember participating in the Pre-release MS Answers Forum setup for Windows 7 and that was the only way persons could provide some form of feedback.

Considering that this was way larger than a pool of smaller private testers which is a more intimate setting, it would be chaotic for Microsoft to get feedback using the Public beta. Microsoft would never have the time to sift through millions of persons responses and feedback.

I will admit this though, comparing Windows 7 to previous versions of Windows releases, the reliability seems to turn out better. Thousands of persons privately tested Windows Vista and provided feedback, yet it still was panned, but I remember testers telling Microsoft the product was still too slow up to RC stages and copy and pasting is like molasses. Then again, Microsoft said they listened to us after the Vista debacle, that is why our PC's are 'simplified' with Windows 7.

The way I look at beta testing, Microsoft is realizing its probably expensive to setup exclusive programs just for a small group when you have these different resources available to you such as the following people around, research and testing labs. I also suspect Microsoft has its own internal testers in addition to the 90,000 employees. I was very surprised at how finished Windows 7 build 7000 was, I could hardly find any issues with it. Back in the 90s when the pervasiveness of the Internet wasn't available, beta programs were a must. But today, anyone can be a beta tester. If you have a popular blog and post that you found a flaw in a Microsoft pre-release product and it gets attention from other sites like CNET, ZDNET, then Microsoft takes interest.

So, to put a conclusion on Microsoft beta testing, I would say it has evolved. Its up to us I guess to evolve with it.
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Good points, but
Mary Jo Foley 3rd Feb 2011
Do you think "evolving with it" means testers and those with some in-depth knowledge about the products actually have adequate and satisfactory ways to impact how the products evolve? Do you care if your feedback affects the next Windows or next WHS? MJ
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Its too late to care
Mr. Dee 3rd Feb 2011
@Mary Jo Foley Look at WHS Vail, regardless there were thousands of angry testers petitioning, Microsoft still didn't engage or listen. Microsoft needs to understand that products are developed based on user feedback, not the other way around. Even Apple is listening to its customers. Why do you think its easy to use wishful thinking and guess whats in the next version of the iPad or iPhone? Even though Apple never discusses pre-release products. It proves that Apple does care about its users and they like to make them happy.

Apple does not provide beta programs, but the 'What I want to see in the next iPad or iPhone' articles I believe are just as effective at getting Apple to do what users want. Maybe more of us in the enthusiast community need to form a unison and do more of that. Look at Steve Jobs, he is just an email away and he actually responds. They might be short, but he responds. Can you do the same with Steve Sinofsky or Steve Ballmer? It ultimately proves how disconnected Microsoft might actually be.
It means your a mug who just bought MS's new software release, wait until SP2.
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Mary Jo,

We all well remember the previous MS OSes prior to Win7.
Perhaps having a "buggy" feature is a "not so good" idea, if it is making the product unreliable like Vista.
I hated losing the extra drive feature on WHS but as a new user, it will be challenge enough to get this RC up and running, to see if later I can apply it well enough to make it worth buying! I enjoyed the RC for Win7 x32& x64. I have since bought 6 upgrades.
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Wouldn't "real" testing stamp out the bugs?
Mary Jo Foley 3rd Feb 2011
Hi. I think Vista kind of throws things off in this case. It's debatable whether MS actually listened to the beta testers for Vista.... Or listened enough. I am not saying that they should ship buggy releases counting on testers to stamp out the bugs. More a case of let the testers have more input/impact earlier in the cycle -- before it is next-to-impossible to change the feature set (or before the feature set changes without consulting the "right" testers)... MJ
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It means EVERYTHING...
Mike Cox 3rd Feb 2011
With every beta program, I have a full ritual with my rep. We start it off with a fine meal at Yarrow's where I review the NDA agreements. I am then handed a DVD with strict instructions to "deploy and deploy without prejudice". I then cancel all vacations, sick days and personal days and demand 150% attention to the beta from my MCSE's. If all goes well, it is pizza for everyone (except my rep and I).
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Troll is back
search & destroy 5th Feb 2011
Did you and Lovey Dovey trade sock puppets?
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Nothing...
james347 3rd Feb 2011
...never did any good anyway, look at all the junk that still got out.
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being a beta tester is tough
ashok hingorani 4th Feb 2011
but it is also great fun and more often than not every problem does get a heaaring at least - bugs always get fixed - maybe some favourite get dropped for what seemss like an invalid reason - but some functions take long to stabilise and it is best not t rock the whole boat for a feature or two.
I've private beta'd and public beta'd for Microsoft since 1999 and it seems only recently that they've taken to ignoring suggestions and comments. I was a tester on WHS v1 and the design team regularly updated us testers. Heck, we even knew them by name. Now for WHS the design team rarely updated us, and I never once "met" anyone on the team in the forum.
It seems to me that by the time it reaches us testers now its already to go, just needs a bit of finishing touches. Its almost a demo than a beta.
As a disappointed WHS v2 tester, I'll be reverting my box this weekend back to WHS v1 and that's where I will stay for the foreseeable future.
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Don't You KNOW? Beta is for SHOW
DriverGuy 4th Feb 2011
Let me explain it to you: There are multiple things at work here. The first is SteveSI's approach to products which is "nobody internally is allowed to talk about anything to anyone... until a feature is fully cooked." This avoids things like the many debacles surrounding Vista. The only exception to this are "partners" with a DEFINITE need to know (and legal agreements with MSFT in place) and a very small and select group of early adopter program participants... who actually have to WORK as part of the program (you have to promise to USE the product and participate in MULTIPLE -- usually live -- feedback sessions).

The second thing at work is "Beta" as it is in Windows and Office, is really just a big public preview. It hasn't been "Beta" in any REAL sense for years. Rather, it's a totally random group of people who get MSDN or whatever downloading close-to-cooked components to fool with in their spare time. How many of these people file bugs? And of those bugs, how many of them are well thought-out, clearly described, reproducible, and helpful? And... among the noise and crap generated... how would ANYone go about finding the useful bugs amidst that kind of feedback process.

So... "Beta" is just another way of saying "Product Preview" -- and it has been for years. Clue up.
that microsoft are increasing the "beta" tester is in a way. when someone hear about that win 7 can be installed without key for 30 or 90, I think that everyone can testing this, and can send problems and solutions to microsoft. I think that this form of "30" days of grace (which includes Office) can be a "beta" for the next products of microsoft increasing the number of the testers.
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Google Effect?
eajhnsn1 4th Feb 2011
I think this is the result of many users having a new view of what Beta is, thanks to Google's practice of "releasing" software labeled Beta for literally years.

The masses seem to consider Beta now to mean what everyone used to call Release Candidate (or even early 1.0). Unfortunately, I think that if MS had true Beta programs, the tech media would review and bash everything that isn't nearly flawless. This would then start the snowball of bad press that makes it hard to change customers' opinions once the final product is available.

So I think MS has no choice but to give testers access to more fully-baked Betas. Given this shift, however, maybe they should start allow Alpha testing for the type of feedback that used to be given in the Beta phase.
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Oh, please!
Gaius_Maximus 4th Feb 2011
When has M$ ever cared what you thought? Unless, of course, you have an idea worth stealing.
Nothing, Micosoft's people develope this crap and all the Beta testers tell them the problems. It's a nice job, if you can get one. I did like Microsoft Security Essentials, but no they made it so bloated as of the last update that it slows down my system too much. I'll go back to another protection program.
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HMM Coments from Beta testers .We are under NDA . This article is therefore pointless
Eric A. Whalley
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I assume you are talking about Drive Extender?
mike21b@... Updated - 4th Feb 2011
That's what the WHS people are complaining about the most: the removal of that feature. I was never sure if it was "good" or "bad", therefore I really have no opinion.

An early beta tester for the original WHS, I thought it was so good that I adopted it for business and home use. Knowing what it can do, I use a low end machine with 2 big drives for each install. Total cost: $300-$400 for each machine plus the $100 or so for WHS.

It's worth it just for the backup capabilities alone, and if I were Dell or (other mfr) I'd be pushing it and bet that I could sell it.

If WHS is a victim of anything, it's bad marketing. I have yet to see anything able to do what it can do for the price. An NAS device would rapidly fill up with data without SIS.

At home, my WHS sits in the garage and the keyboard literally gathers spider webs because I only need to touch it every couple of months. "Set it and forget it" but, it saves the day when you overwrite some critical data or a connected PC's hard drive dies.
The last time I had any meaningful participation in influencing a software under development was with the front end of FoxPro for Software Toolworks. The current Beta release of Internet Explorer is available to anyone, anywhere, and the idea of peer criticism of a program exists only in the imagination. Anyone can purchase TechNet software subscriptions. I recently came across a guy giving away software that he had obtained there to his friends. Ethics seems to have been forgotten, as has an appreciation of the value of beta testing. There's such a rush to get a product to market that much of what is sold as production software begs those credentials. As the User Agreement says, ownership of the software is the sole property of Microsoft--we are all allowed to pay for the privilege of trying to get it to work correct.
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When Will Groupeee's Learn....
VONDRASHEK@... 4th Feb 2011
Lets' Look to Vista, or Xp. Xp started sign up in 1998/9, worked when SP2 came out in 2004. Vista Started in 2006, Test discs where for sale item. Long list of Mainboards & compliant hardware, Opps, well few came close. Game Cards, OMG, ALL Fail.

Much falling back occurs, actual O?S is based on One Machine, in Vista, AOpen as first Open GL, & O/S built from that, in years of building, things change, World went out of Parameter with O/S/ & Had step half step back.

Now 8 is on Horizon & question, What will choice of Test bed be. Probably Pci-e3 system with lots 'o speed. Maybe start up near end of year. Maybe NOT Sandy Bridge, yet Microsoft Is NOT AMD Friend. However Sand Box Nature of Bulldozer makes Bulldozer HOT choice, Microsoft can write complex stuff, if Hardware Is Available & about time of basic mapping, BULLDOZER should be TOP Option to Start Upon. Open CL SSE5, DDR3 2.5 Ghz/s 4 3core modules, well thatS bed Microsoft promised to write to. or would new language be in order. OMG. Unix. Time will Tell & take time to figure out what theBRAIN puts forth.

Signed:PHYSICIAN THOMAS STEWART von DRASHEK M.D.
Bought a WHS from Acer. So many advanced users have praised the DriveExtender as a "better than Raid" backup solution. That the 3rd and 4th drives can be of the server config, it makes sense. But MS is always just hurting us consumers because the "Marketing" guys just don't give a damn about the techhie core of users (and beta testers). Those marketing "sociopaths" measure dollars and manage to alienate the hearts and minds of those of us that REALLY mold public opinion. Soooo stupid.
I agree the terms beta and RC are misleading. I have tested many products from the Server & Tools division over the last 3 years. You really have to provide feedback during the CTP phase if you want them to go anywhere. Most feedback during the beta is far too late and goes in the archive heap.
Betas and RCs are really more of a sanity check. happy The beta testers that reported 10 bugs or so often do get free versions of software as a reward which was true with VS 2008 and 2010 and also with Win 7, etc.

I no longer expect Microsoft to change course on anything based on pre-release feedback - their decisions are their own.
I agree, the use of the label "Beta" on the public tests that MS releases is misleading. These tests are released around 9 months before GA. Work backward. 2 months or so before GA app is locked, 2-3 months before that they release a Release Candidate. So that leaves 4-5 months for the Beta test. Anything short of abends reported during the last month of Beta is not going to be acted on. So that leaves 3-4 months during of beta where non-fatal issues MIGHT be acted on, if enough people report them. In the 2010 Office beta I reported just short of 100 issues, non fatal. Mostly user interface inconsistencies, hyperlinks instead of buttons, functions that have different names in different apps, functions that are located in different places in UI in different apps. AFIK, non of them were acted on.

You mention the telemetry MS uses. MS has blamed, they call it credited, the Ribbon. Ok, great, the Ribbon is "easier" for new users (NEW MONEY), but it is a PITA for experienced menu users. What I don't understand is why MS explicitly excluded the menu from Office 2007. The ribbon and the menu are simply shells that access the same underlying functions. The ribbon still displays the same dialog boxes that menu versions use. It would have been trivial for MS to implement a toggle to switch between the 2 UI's, and to add the few new feature commands to the existing menu.
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Been doing it for a long time...
NoAxToGrind 5th Feb 2011
I've been a tester for beta and pre beta code and have learned a number of things about how MS operates. By the time a tester gets the code, it's feature set has long been decided. In fact, by the time a tester gets his hands on the code, MS has already put toether the feature set of the next version and it's cast in stone unless there is a huge problem.

During beta testing of Office 12 many testers pointed out something that was sorely lacking and the MS dev team said there was no way they could do it in Office12 or the next version(14) but maybe it would make it in Office 15. I don't think many testers have any idea just how far in advance changes to the products are planned.

Second issue if its considered a business application (office) Microsoft is not the least bit concerned with private use. One of the favorite responses to user suggestions is "Put together a business use senario where the requested change would be used and how it would impact use". In other words, if MS doesn't see a business case for it, its not going to happen and it doesn't matter how many "private" use folks say they want it.
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Vail beta testers...
Jeshimon Updated - 5th Feb 2011
I am sure glad that I was not a Vail beta tester. That would have been terrible to have a system working as it should only to have what I concider to be the heart of WHS ripped out still beating.
since we knew drive extender was going to be removed. Media Center was not going to be added.
One being the major reason I went with WHS in the first place and the second being a nice to have..

WHS IMHO is now a dead product. HP jumped ship (about the only major manufacturer that had a good WHS product)

WHS is a niche product, everyone knows that they should have it but very few actually go the extra mile and get it.. ERGO Microsoft will keep removing features until there is nothing left and the product will die an untimely death
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