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Windows 8: Why the coming beta is likely to be labeled the 'consumer preview'

By | January 23, 2012, 11:38am PST

Summary: The coming Windows 8 beta is looking more and more like it will be called the “consumer preview.” Why the change in nomenclature?

Is Microsoft going to position the coming Windows 8 beta as a “consumer preview”? And if so, why?

Microsoft officials have repeated recently that the Windows 8 beta release is on track for late February 2012. But one public relations official with the Windows team provided a slightly different message — and one that escaped notice by most of those who read her quote — during the Consumer Electronics Show.

As reported by Pocket Lint, Windows Director of Consumer PR, Janelle Poole, stayed on message regarding Microsoft’s continued reluctance to talk about its release-to-manufacturing/ship targets for Windows 8. But, as Windows SuperSite’s Paul Thurrott noted last week, part of Poole’s message deviated from the usual script. Poole called the coming Windows 8 beta “the consumer preview.” Here’s her quote:

“We haven’t talked about the release date and we generally don’t. We are talking milestone to milestone, so for us right now we’re talking about the next milestone being the consumer preview happening in late February.”

If you know anything about the Windows org, you know words matter. This wasn’t a random throw-away.

My first question was whether it’s just the internal Windows consumer PR team calling the beta “the consumer preview” or if the Microsoft brass plan to do the same. I’m hearing that the Windows organization is highly likely to settle on “consumer preview” as the name for the late-February beta.

The bigger question — which Thurrott and I discussed during the most recent episode of Windows Weekly — is why Microsoft may label this the consumer preview.

Thurrott’s theory was that maybe the developer preview (the September Build version) will be followed by a consumer preview (the beta) and finally the enterprise preview (the release candidate).

My theory is more cynical, but not entirely unwarranted. I believe if Microsoft changes the nomenclature, the company is doing so to signify a change that’s been coming for a while now. What used to constitute a “beta” doesn’t really exist in the new Windows world. I said the same during the Windows 7 test period: That the current Windows organization doesn’t show code publicly at all until it’s pretty much set in stone and going to be tweaked very minimally. This makes Windows more predictable, but it also implies that the product is far less likely to incorporate suggested fixes from those outside Microsoft.

During the Windows 7 test period, there were still a select group of technical beta testers on whom Microsoft seemingly leaned for real feedback and guidance regarding the product. That team, known internally as the “Test Pilots,” was disbanded after Windows 7 was released. As far as I know, there’s no equivalent to this group this time around. And Senior Program Manager for technical beta testing for Windows, Paul Donnelly, recently left Microsoft to go to Amazon with no replacement named (again, as far as I know).

There could be other reasons Microsoft may prefer the “consumer preview” name to “beta.” By claiming a product is far enough along to be used by plain old consumers — and not just techie beta testers — Microsoft officials could be hoping to convince those who think a possible Q3 Windows 8 launch will be too late for Microsoft to shoe-horn its way into the tablet space that Windows 8 is right around the corner. (”Hey, it’s basically done — it’s in consumer preview now!”)

Such a name also could help Microsoft’s PC partners who need a way to make new tablets and PCs that they’re bringing to market from now until the time that Windows 8 is shipping seem more up-to-date and palatable. (”This runs the Windows 8 Consumer Preview — so you know it’ll be able to run the final Windows 8 with no problem.”)

Microsoft officials aren’t saying anything beyond the fact that the next Windows 8 release is due out in late February and that there is no separate “consumer preview” in the works — meaning, to me, the one-and-only Windows 8 beta is highly likely to be called the “Consumer Preview” when it is released.

What’s your take as to why Microsoft is leaning toward calling the beta a “consumer preview” — and what effect (if any) this will have on Redmond, its developers, partners and customers? Thoughts?

Update (January 25) : Thanks to reader Darren Baker, there’s now validation that Microsoft is planning to call the beta the consumer preview. Here’s an excerpt, courtesy of Baker, from the latest Microsoft Hardware newsletter that uses the “Consumer Preview” nomenclature.

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RE: Windows 8: Why the coming beta is likely to be labeled the 'consumer preview'
javaman07@... 11th Feb
@lj2009
I think this is a sign the DO care about consumers. Looking at past Windows OS releases, when they release after a beta, the consumers run into many problems. The RTM is the first version used by many people (not a limited number of developers, as beta) Months later, after getting feedback from consumers and businesses, Microsoft gets things fixed, and releases the Service Pack 1. Consumers are generally happier after the SP1. Many enterprises will not move to new version until SP1 is out.
This consumer preview MAY BE the effective equivalent to an RTM release. Get enough consumers; with all their odd versions of hardware, mix of software, use styles, etc. to test this Consumer Preview, and the later RTM can be as stable and well built as the older Windows versions were AFTER the first SP.
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ArcticFawkes 23rd Jan
I'm pretty excited... Windows 8 developer preview is a great tablet OS, but it's really finnicky. Hopefully this version, whether it be beta or consumer preview, will add awesome stability and features!
@ArcticFawkes I have had only one device not run under Windows 8 DP and it was a dual band wireless adapter from ASUS and have not had any programs not run. This was on an HP Touchsmart tm2 convertible.
I don't know what the term means to Microsoft, but if I were a hardware vendor it would encourage me to start designing and building devices to run Windows 8. If the code is solid enough for a consumer preview, it isn't likely to change significantly.

Wonder if anyone is designing tablets that will run either ICS or Win8, just to hedge their bets?
@wluffman - agreed. I think the UX team is finally starting to affect the entire picture. The term "beta" is well understood, but it's geek-speak. "Consumer Preview" is a wonderful replacement for pre-release software that is beyond the tinkering phase and is ready to start impressing the masses, not just the developers. In my mind, "Developer Preview" is the new "beta."
@ArcticFawkes Here's the thing, there's no beta so if it doesn't work right, it's gonna be too late for you to submit bugs. THIS is what Sinofsky is bringing to the table. He just doesn't care about customers. It doesn't work for you? Oh, too bad. MS just doesn't care. They don't want to invest in beta feedback any more. It's WAY too expensive. WHY or WHY do you think Paul left after attempting to fight the good fight? I can hardly blame him?

Betas used to provide a way to continue to improve the OS via the submittal of bugs, driver requests and DCRs (design change requests). Sinofsky thinks customers just don't matter where those items are concerned anymore because guess what, consumer preview builds are past the bug bar for consideration to take fixes for these items i.e. unless they are show stoppers, they don't get fixed. You are SOL.

I mean, there's being loyal and then there's being a MS fanboy to the point that you're choking on the koolaid.
@lj2009 Betas are great! I get that, but how could you honestly expect Microsoft to release something to the entire public and effectively use the feedback of the masses??? Data-mining? Yeah they do that with current Windows distribution and the developer preview. I guarantee you that they have beta testing done with a select few, probably in the 100s of developers internally and externally. I GUARANTEE IT!

I suspect though that you are really just a troll, trolling Microsoft posts, as is evident throughout these comments.
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@lj2009 Funny, I thought "Consumer Preview" was what Microsoft sold in boxes. As I recall, no one (who actually depend on an OS for business) actually trusts a new version of Windows until at least Service Pack 2.


I have to agree somewhat with your last statement too. Arctic sounds too much like a "marketing" guy to me, especially with the " add awesome stability and features!" statement.
@lj2009 - there's being a loyal ABM fanboy and then there's being an ass to the point that you're choking on the koolaid.

Whether they call it a beta, Customer Preview or anything else, it's still the same thing - a broad, publicly available pre-release of Microsoft's next OS platform.

Win7 was also released once and once only as a public Beta and yet, it was actually a pretty successful product.

Why one Beta? Remember Vista's 4 CTP's, 3 Betas, 3 RC's during which features appeared, disappeared and/or changed significantly between releases? That was a damn nightmare.

I *MUCH* prefer Sinofsky's approach where they only beta what they know they can ship.

They don't need as many public betas as in previous releases because Windows telemetry is now so good that they can tell what drivers your machines need and/or are missing, how reliable they are, how performant they are, etc. They can also tell what apps crash on your system, where and why. And ... importantly ... get your crash dumps back to the app author should the crash be caused by faulty code within the app itself vs. being in the OS.

Windows7 was the highest-quality release of Windows to date thanks in large part to the disciplined way in which Sinofsky ran the project and managed the team, and due to the telemetry data they are able to gather from millions of people who install the pre-release version.

I have NO doubt that Win8 will also be a VERY high quality release. You, personally, may not agree with or like the feature changes (i.e. new start screen, etc.), but I think that claiming that Microsoft doesn't give a damn about its customers is just facetious and myopic.
@lj2009 -- Better a "fan boy" than a negative yesteryear ABM'er... that's so... 1998.
@lj2009
I think this is a sign the DO care about consumers. Looking at past Windows OS releases, when they release after a beta, the consumers run into many problems. The RTM is the first version used by many people (not a limited number of developers, as beta) Months later, after getting feedback from consumers and businesses, Microsoft gets things fixed, and releases the Service Pack 1. Consumers are generally happier after the SP1. Many enterprises will not move to new version until SP1 is out.
This consumer preview MAY BE the effective equivalent to an RTM release. Get enough consumers; with all their odd versions of hardware, mix of software, use styles, etc. to test this Consumer Preview, and the later RTM can be as stable and well built as the older Windows versions were AFTER the first SP.
Well I for one will not be going to windows 8. the new ui is enough to keep me from it.
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Emi Cyberschreiber 25th Jan
@rparker009

then why read about it and comment about it??... silly people like you are funny.

anyway Im using Dev Preview, and i will use other new released and buy Win8 when its ready.

the UI? well its cool... i bet you never even used it, or not long enough. but i dont care if you dont go Win8, my point its how silly people like you is happy

i bet you dont go Windows 8 because you have never bought a Windows versi??n anyway, you got Windows 7 (if you did it legally) because you got a computer with it... you never planned getting new windows, and you put "new UI" as an excuse... and since you cant seem to crack easily win8 to have it full... then you wont get it because New UI. but if it wasnt the UI you would put other excuses just to say "I wont go to X version of windows"
@rparker009 ... so I would not worry.
@rparker009 I feel nothing when I think about Windows 8. Wake me when the final version is on my company's EA benefits page so I can download it and check it out.

At work we are in the middle of the Windows 7 upgrade and hopefully wil l be finished by the time 8 rolls out. There is NO way we will got to 8. We will go to 9 when 7 is getting close to end of life.

At home I have one desktop PC used to play one game Skyrim, the box runs great and there is Zero reason to upgrade it before its worthless.
I think the change would be good and refreshing.

If it's not going to be a traditional Beta, don't call it one. Pretty simple to me.

Onuora
@Ammalgam This is not really at you specificaly it just auto added that but it also concerns to an extent what you said. Either way Microsoft has been talking about the cloud for a couple years now. Not about it in general although that is included, I always got the feeling they have been aiming for capitalization of it (the cloud) as a main distribution method. So this make complete sense W8 consumer preview could then just be upgraded for a worldwide license key rather than at your local brick and mortar or through the mail over the web.
@Ammalgam traditional betas are dead at MS. Balmer and Sinofsky have seen to that. Long live developers.
@Ammalgam - It's still a beta. Microsoft still want the "beta" to be installed on as broad a spectrum of machines as possible in order for them to collect and analyze the telemetry data that machines running the "beta" collect and report-back.

I wonder if, by calling it a "consumer preview", more people may install Win8 on their existing machines! Why? Not many people outside the tech industry know and understand what a "beta" is and/or means. Calling the up-coming release a "consumer preview" is clear enough that even my grandmother would understand its purpose.
What plans does MS have the traditional desktop? I manage 6800 computers in a corp setting, of which only a moducum are touch enabled. What changes are coming that matter to me? Will I get a pinnable trash can, for example? Speaking of trash can (er recycle bin) why not just pin it between the clock and that weird show desktop non-button area.
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You're right that we haven't heard much about features in Win 8 that are more suited to desktop users. Most of the focus to date has been on tablet and other mobile devices. I am very interested in how Win 8 will work on laptops --especially non-touch-centric laptops -- myself. Hoping we hear more on this soon. MJ
@Mary Jo Foley Actually if you have followed the Windows 8 blog you will see that many of the features they have discussed are not tablet specific, but kernel/desktop mode applicable. Here is just a few of the items that have been previewed/posted so far as explained by S. Sinofsky:

SINFOSKY: We don't think every post would be interesting to every individual as there are tons of unique usage patterns. But if you count yourself in folks interested in desktop features, as we've said quite often more than half the posts are straight "kernel" or desktop features where we have invested a ton of energy. We can debate whether WWAN is a desktop feature or not (since laptops have the desktop, and 70% of machines are mobile and more and more people are experiencing metered networks even at home). But here are a few of the posts that are in line with the ones you cite:

Enabling large disks and large sectors in Windows 8
Improving the setup experience
Minimizing restarts after automatic updating in Windows Update
Building a power-smart general-purpose Windows
Using Task Manager with 64+ logical processors
Refresh and reset your PC
Optimizing for both landscape and portrait
Windows 8 Task Manager
Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8
Signing in to Windows 8 with a Windows Live ID
Protecting the pre-OS environment with UEFI
Reengineering the Windows boot experience
Running Windows 8 Developer Preview in a virtual environment
Protecting you from malware
Delivering fast boot times in Windows 8
Bringing Hyper-V to ???Windows 8???
Accessing data in ISO and VHD files
Improvements in Windows Explorer
Designing the Windows 8 file name collision experience
Improving our file management basics: copy, move, rename, and delete
Building robust USB 3.0 support
@Mary Jo Foley

I've been using Win8DPon an older pen-based tablet for a while now. Maybe it's because I've been around long enough to remember, but Windows 8 smells an awful lot like Windows 98 SE. Some useful features that could have been made available via a service pack, but nothing to really compel an upgrade from the previous version. Just my take...

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@Mary Jo Foley Sinofsky comes from Office. He will never, ever fit in with Windows. Not ever. Nor will he ever get it 'right.' This is why he constantly falls down on the job and this is why everything is a mess. He is trying to run Windows like an business app.
@lj2009 - you sound like you're bearing a grudge.

How about you provide some substance behind your claims that Sinofsky is "constantly falling down on the job" and why "everything is a mess"?

Windows 7 - the first OS release delivered entirely on his watch is the most successful Windows release to date. I think Sinofsky's track record is far more tellingly accurate than your unfounded whining.
@frankwick We couldn't care less at my company. There are some critical medical-related apps that absolutely must be on all computers in a health care setting (which are most of them) and one of them in particular, from a large international vendor, relies on the browser. It is not fully functional with IE 8 or above and doctors get VERY cranky when they have a time-sensitive issue and need to run that app. So our migration of 250,000 desktops to Win7 is stalled, largely due to that one critical app. The vendor is moving at the speed of snails to provide updates. Many companies have critical software that must work and if a new OS breaks those apps, then it takes time, resources, vendor involvement, and lots and lots of patience. With this number of desktops, nothing happens fast and Win 9 or even 10 will be out before we even think about another upgrade cycle.
@JoeFoerster Can't that app run on Wine on Linux?
@JoeFoerster said it was browser dependant. So if those will run IE8, maybe. But I think they wanted to stick with win7 for a while. Win 7 will probably run IE8, but how would you disable IE, and downgrade 250,000 machines running micro-manage-soft? You might as well try building a nuclear warhead from a soup can and a swiss army knife!
@JoeFoerster In this day and age of rapid browser development it is incumbent on all software companies and in house developers to contsantly monitor browser development and keep up with it. Software should not dictate whether or not companies or organisations are able to run the latest operating systems and browsers.
@JoeFoerster "Many companies have critical software that must work and if a new OS breaks those apps"

Many companies purchase critical software from companies that actively update said software so that they don't have to wait years for the software to run correctly on the latest release of the OS platform, and/or they also purchase the source code so that they don't end up locked in like this. They also try not to buy critical software that depends on another piece of software that doesn't comply to standards, and they seek software that uses open standards and formats.
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more tricks and hot air releases
The Linux Geek 23rd Jan
nothing new here folks, beside marketing gimmicks!
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....playing tiddley winks text scripts on Emacs while hyping the never-to-be-released Hurd.

I've got another name for the Hurd...
@Joe_Raby
Lol: You made my day. grin
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@Joe_Raby ahh fond memories
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It sounds like a reasonable approach if it is closer to a Release Candidate than a conventional huntdown of compatibility and show-stopper bugs. I think it would also draw more developers who want to see something closer to final for their committed examination and usage. There seem to be too many final-functionality questions aroused by the original CTP and developers want some assurance of stability.

This seems to be a natural redesignation based on how the final beta/rc of Windows 7 was handled.
Here's a theory. Google and Apple's use of the word even for products that feel launched means a new phrase communicates the February build's place more effectively.

That was my second thought. My first was that telemetry and crash reports give them more useful information than the bug reports that "beta" implies, so by changing the name the idea of explicit feedback is bypassed.

I like my second thought better: less inside baseball.
I'm surprised that noone here has pointed out that two of Microsoft's biggest consumer functions of Windows 8 were left out in the developer preview, but we know will be in the consumer preview. Media Center and XBox Live for Windows should both be in the February release. it could be as simple as that.
Maybe there will be a "real" beta later? The new name would also be confusing for enterprise customers. Is it only for consumers? Why? Will there be a different preview for corporations? Or maybe even a complete different version of Windows 8 with the old Start menu?

I hope, that the Windows team is aware that the preview/beta has to be focused on desktop use. Nobody can test it on a tablet yet. So if they disappoint on non-touch devices, they will get extremely terrible press reports. No matter how good the final product may be, if the first reactions are negative, they hardly can change that (remember Vista!) And they already got a lot of negative opinions all over the place.
@tN0 The old Start Menu is dead, you can give up trying to go back. People said the same think about the Vista-esque Start Menu we have now.

Also, I don't think businesses seriously start evaluating an operating system until RTM or SP1. Windows 7 is only now getting full deployment in businesses and it's over two years old. They have to think about what they are going to do for their productivity apps, whether they continue wit what they have or do the eventual rewrite for Metro so they get a fully integrated touch experience from a new UI.
@dagamer34: Or we can give up on upgrading for desktops. Windows 7 seems ok for them. If the Feb release comes as a VM image I'll look, but no way will I install. Why would anyone?
@meski.oz@...

ehmm because... people like to use these releases? i have used Developer Preview since release, more than win7.

for some reason people ask for LEAK Windows versions no? becuase people like to use any new versi??n Windows has and since dev preview was public, people want the new rel??ase with cool stuff like store. and of course since it will be public in the end of february.

only because YOU wont install it, it doesn't mean everyone its like you. i will install it and use it, and test the store and new UI since there will be enough apps to forget about desktop when its not needed.
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After feb., the next release is the Release Candidate. Then rtm. That's it, believe it or not! thanks. MJ
@tN0 What do you mean, nobody can test it on a tablet yet? I have W8 Developers Preview running on an Acer Iconia W500 touch tablet. It works great. I also have Office 2010 installed on the same tablet. Skype also.
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Mary Jo Foley 23rd Jan
Guessing it could refer to arm tablets, which no one outside msft has been able to try... MJ
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I think that he/she meant that not every body can test it on a tablet and it is true.
@mark.cooper@...
I mean that *almost* no one has a tablet that could run the beta. 95% of beta testers will be desktop/laptop users (for a so called "touch first" OS!). And even the x86 tablets that are out there may not fit the hardware requirements for the Win8 logo program. So even when they can run the beta, it doesn't mean that it is representative for the final experience with "final" hardware.

And I'm not even talking about ARM yet.
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Metro-style tablets?
reidar76 Updated - 23rd Jan
What happens at the end of February? The biggest happening for smartphones and tablets. The Mobile World Congress.

What has Microsoft said they will show us? Windows 8 Consumer Preview and the opening of Windows Store.

What type of applications can be downloaded from the Windows Store? Metro-style apps only. The winners of the First App Contest will be announced.

What has Microsoft not shown us yet? Windows on ARM tablets. The major new thing with Windows 8.

Who are in the main target group of metro-style only ARM tablets and the Windows Store. Consumers!

I think that Microsoft will focus on metro-style ARM tablets, without the desktop, in late February. A business preview will be announced later.
@reidar76 Actually, they HAVE shown us Windows on ARM tablets, not 2 weeks ago at CES. And while apps in the app store will conform to Metro styling, that doesn't mean they'll be exclusively HTML5 and Javascript. On the contrary, they've shown versions of office running on ARM, which will be distributed via the marketplace as well.

I agree they'll probably focus on Win8 on ARM--as should the overall market. Windows 8 on ARM is, after all, essentially a brand new OS, lacking the baggage of prior versions' legacy code base.

Anyway, long story short it's not as mysterious as some folks like to make it seem. What I'd like to know is this: Will they merge Windows 8 with Windows phone 8 this early and announce it for quad core devices later this year? I tend to think that won't happen until Win9, but...who knows?
@jasongw
Do you mean quad-core mobile devices? If so, I really don't think that's necessary unless you are running a version of Android.
"Consumer preview?" Lipstick on a pig????

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