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Windows Live Wave 4: A guide for the perplexed

By | June 2, 2010, 12:48pm PDT

Summary: While those who cover every twist and turn of Microsoft’s Windows Live Wave 4 add-ons to Windows are in the know — as are the small group of testers outside the company who’ve been granted access to beta versions — the general user public is probably a little confused about what to expect. Here’s an attempt to clarify.

There’s a lot of conflicting information out there about Windows Live Wave 4.

While those who cover every twist and turn of Microsoft’s next Windows Live service add-ons to Windows are in the know (as are the small group of testers outside the company who’ve been granted access to beta versions), the general user public is probably a little confused. (I’m basing that statement on the fact I’m confused, even though my job entails watching Microsoft closely.)

I decided to ask the good folks over at LiveSide.net for some help explaining what Windows Live Wave 4 is and what to expect. Here’s a quick e-mail Q&A between me and Kip Kniskern, the main cook and bottle washer at the independent Windows-Live-watching site. (Note: These answers aren’t condoned or verified by Microsoft, but LiveSide has a pretty good track record, in terms of ferreting out details that only sneaky geniuses like them can do.)

MJF: What are the components of the forthcoming Windows Live Essentials 2011 bundle?

Kniskern: Same as before: Messenger, Live Mail, Writer, Photo Gallery, Movie Maker,  Family Safety.  Bing Toolbar replaces Windows Live Toolbar. Live Sync is there, but totally redone. We’ve mentioned that it will only be able to sync 2GB to the cloud, but that’s been lost in the shuffle a bit. Also the Live Mesh mobile sync did not appear to make the cut, so there’s no Live Sync mobile client, leaving the mobile sync story (the only one that matters, really) unresolved.  Will it be My Phone? the KIN Studio (the only thing good about the KIN)? Possibly Live Sync adding a mobile client later in the beta?

MJF: What are the other Windows Live Wave 4 services that aren’t in Essentials?

Kniskern: Hotmail, SkyDrive (now much more integrated), Office Live (is that what we’re calling Office Web Apps now?), the Windows Live Home social network feed aggregator, which will replace Hotmail Today.

MJF: Of all of these, which are going to get the biggest overhaul?

Kniskern: Messenger gets tabs, and video calling is revamped. The Ribbon is added to all the Essentials services (basically Writer gets a ribbon and not much more, for example.  The social networking aggregation is built into more services (Hotmail Today, a new sidebar in Messenger that everyone will immediately turn off, etc.)

MJF: So what do you think the rollout schedule for all this is, other than all of these things appear “in the coming months”?

Kniskern: First, Windows Live Essentials beta gets announced. Then, on June 15, Hotmail begins rollout. Somewhere end of June (blogger Francisco Martin is reporting June 21-25), Essentials downloads will be available and the public beta starts. Final is “in the fall” - we’ve heard that it will coincide with Windows 7 SP1, as the “first big feature update to Win7″.

Readers: What else do you want to know about Windows Live Wave 4? What’s still confusing you, if anything?

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 25 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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RE: Windows Live Wave 4: A guide for the perplexed
dfwekrwe44-24353611083890172929229494159280 Updated - 10th Nov
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Microsoft is probably abandoning development for Sync/Mesh on Windows Mobile 6.x. From what we've already seen of Windows Phone 7, it has built-in support for Skydrive (similar to Sharepoint), so I don't really see the lack of mobile sync in Essentials 2011 as a big deal.

As you already know, Microsoft is abandoning Windows Mobile Device Center in Windows Phone 7, so it wouldn't make sense to make a mobile client on the desktop.
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Except that a lot of people are still using smartphones that run Windows Mobile 6.x, and it would really be foolish for Microsoft to alienate them on a technicality?
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@szwarc@... Instead of sohbet renaming and repackaging their chat applications to try to trick us, the "Programs and Features" applet in portal Control Panel should have a simple link to a izlesene page or web service with all of Microsoft's free forum application offerings, broken down into simple categories and keyword chat sohbet searchable. And when an app is updated, the app should show an alert pop-up which takes you to Programs applet again, which should show an easy-to-see "Upgrade" icon next to the updated application. As usual, what could be done simply and elegantly, Microsoft makes confusing sohbet odalari.
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you can upload and download files to/from livemesh from wm6.5 phone. with office mobile 2010 you can edit docs including powerpoint on the phone then upload the edited versions back up to livemesh.
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Live Sync vs SkyDrive
CobraA1 2nd Jun 2010
I'm wondering - what's gonna be the differences between Live Sync and SkyDrive?
@CobraA1 Basically, SkyDrive is your online storage, and Live Sync is a synchronization app that will sync your files to your SkyDrive or another computer.
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Vague wording
xp-client 2nd Jun 2010
"video calling is revamped" How much more vague can they get? What does revamped equal to? Have they improved the ****** webcam quality? Does it finally support video with multiple people?
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RE: Windows Live Wave 4: A guide for the perplexed
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 3rd Jun 2010
@anonymuos - You DID read that MJF was speculating about what's coming in the next release of Live with Kip Kniskern, an independent commentator/blogger on the subject of Windows Live, right?

These are not Microsoft official statements - merely intelligent speculation.
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Control Panel - Programs and Features
YukioCowboy Updated - 3rd Jun 2010
Instead of constantly renaming and repackaging their applications to try to trick us, the "Programs and Features" applet in Control Panel should have a simple link to a web page or web service with all of Microsoft's free application offerings, broken down into simple categories and keyword searchable. And when an app is updated, the app should show an alert pop-up which takes you to Programs applet again, which should show an easy-to-see "Upgrade" icon next to the updated application. As usual, what could be done simply and elegantly, Microsoft makes confusing.
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@JFDude In other words, the iPhone App Store
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This is a bit off-topic, but something maybe MJ would like to bring up sometime when IE9 is covered again.

Firefox has great security and privacy add-ons, such as NoScript, cookie editors, etc. This is one of the things that makes Firefox more fun and interesting.

When you visit www.ieaddons.com, which is Microsoft's main add-on page, notice that "Security" and "Privacy" are not even categories!

Where is Microsoft's answer to Firefox NoScript that is just as powerful and easy to use?
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RE: Windows Live Wave 4: A guide for the perplexed
jhughesy Updated - 3rd Jun 2010
@JFDude Try, Tools, Internet Options, Security, Disable Active Scripting?

Security and privacy shouldn't come in add-ons. wink
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@jhughesy I think the question is more "Why should I have to disable it completely, when in Firefox, I can enable it for trusted sites and have it disabled in general?" Plus, firefox has the same ability (to disable it completely) (Tools --> Options --> Content Uncheck "Enable JavaScript" or Options --> Privacy). The "addon" just allows you a little more flexibility with security.
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So, does this updated sync replace MESH beta, if so whats with the only 2GB to the cloud when skydrive is meant to be intergrated now, this is very frustrating to hear as I think that MESH should have been the gell to hold OfficeLive\Cloudapps together?
@groovepoint@... I agree about Mesh. It is integrated into my business plan. What will replace it?
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Windows Live Mail
Tom T Tuttle 3rd Jun 2010
Will this version of WLM finally have the ability to "darken" the fonts in the reading window? It has been hard to read for years!
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@Tom T Tuttle Probably not. That would fall under the category of "one of those issues that our users have been complaining about" and not the category of "useless features that we think will wow the masses." IMHO, of course. I haven't seen the beta at all.
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As if there aren't there enough words in the dictionary? this choice of word is confusing indeed... unless it's meant to be that way... This new service is about as exciting as watching a rock grow... Plus when will MS stop doing the mime with other peoples ideas and when will they seriously get down to business? I know that can.
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@Silex

I'm not even quite sure that I agree with what you're saying...but damn, it was funny. You use words in an interesting fashion, Silex. lol

In all seriousness, in my perception, this is the last thing that I care about from Microsoft. Because they've done such a great job with Windows 7, I'm giving them a chance to correct the errs of their past re: WM6. All I want to do is sync contacts, calendar, and tasks from one MS software to another via more MS software: ActiveSync... Period.

To be honest, I've kind of given up on that and am looking forward to my next, Android phone.

This MS Essentials package seems like more of the same in regards to ensuring that the user can not do what it wants to do... There's too much going on. If MS just revamps the email client to work with everything (including ActiveSync and Exchange), the extra programs that they have in their could be relinquished. Sky Drive could be incorporated into the Mail client to give true easy access. And I'm not sure what they're thinking, but Office Live Web (the add-on that allows you to save documents online in a "Space" for easy access from any computer) should work with Google Chrome. Period.

Ok...I'm done. It's just that MS is good for hyping "new" software without dealing with the sins of the past...
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Just a Thought
windozefreak 3rd Jun 2010
@G-Systems
And why would Microsoft go out of their way to make their products make nice with Goggle, or any other competitor?
Goggle just insinuated that Microsoft products was not good enough for them. Now, let's see if Goggle's offerings are good enough without Microsoft.
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Who cares?
rag@... 3rd Jun 2010
Do real people in the real world use this?
@rag@... I've really been wondering this. Its like they have this whole host of services that no one really cares about.
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@storm14k Real people in the real world use some of the services. Whether they want (or will use) the features that Microsoft is adding to those services remains to be seen...
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RE: Windows Live Wave 4: A guide for the perplexed
do do-do-do dah dah-dah-dah 3rd Jun 2010
@rag@...
I never thought Windows Live was anything worth learning about. This article shows that I was right.
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@rag@...

Hey, rag. To be honest, out of all of this stuff, when I install Windows Live, I only choose Mail and Silverlight... Period.

All of this other stuff is just bloat... No one's going to use this "Photo Album" or "--already got a program for this--" deal. If MS did a survey to see what's being used the most, what're the complaints about it, and how can we improve the product...they would go a much longer way in the mobile arena and the home.

Instead, they think of nonsensical new software to bloat their packages while the sensible, old software is left to rot.
@rag@...
I've been using Live Sync since before it was bought by MS (called Folder Share at the time) to backup my home pc to work pc and vice versa. This is a mutual off-site backup system.
And Livemesh can be used to backup to cloud where you
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I don't need/want most of this stuff. Maybe MS figures to give away at first, get some suckers hooked, and then start charging them subscription fees.
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RE: Windows Live Wave 4: A guide for the perplexed
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 3rd Jun 2010
@pikeman666 - they've never charged for Hotmail, Messenger, Writer, Movie Maker, Family Safety, Sync, etc., yet. Why would they start charging now for something that others already give away for free? Doesn't make any sense.

If you use an email system other then Hotmail and don't IM others, don't blog, don't make movies, don't want to protect your kids' online experience and don't want to sync files on your PC's with your store in the sky, then ignore Live.

If you DO any of the above, however, it's well worth a look.
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@pikeman666
Another delirious response. This service has been free for the last ten years. I doubt that Microsoft is looking at a revenue stream from live. But, if you don't want to use it, just load up on those Google wares and watch your privacy go down the drain. However, some of us like live and uses it regularly. So, there!
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why bother?
olddogv 3rd Jun 2010
I haven't found enough use for Windows Live to bother with it yet.
Not the Ribbon toolbar! Of course, it makes some dead-simple apps like paint look nice. Still, I never really liked it that much.
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My Speculations and Questions
DocNasty 3rd Jun 2010
My main concern is how Microsoft handles the thousands of people that rely on my phone for the people that use it with their windows 6.x devices. There's still tons of them out there, and I don't plan on updating my phone until I see a really good (htc incredible type) windows mobile 7 phone. Sorry, the Kin does nothing for me, since i'm a business user.

I'm wondering what the appearance/integration of the new LIVE websites are going to look like. I'm a little peaved at the way the sites look now. Everything is just kind of floating out there on each page, and it's not that defined... I would use it more, if the layout looked more mature.

I use skydrive religiously. That being said, i'd hope that there is further integration with that (IE xDrive level OS integration.. thats right, i want to Map it without using a product such as gladinet).

Great Article MJF
~Doc


As far as SP1 of windows 7, hopefully they integrate the Windows live picture viewer fucntionality into the version that comes with the OS.. every other software knows to guess the orientation of the camera when a photo is taken, the base image viewer in Win7 should too. I would assume that most of that part should be taken from Live essentials and incorporated into the OS. I mean, XP could do it, windows 7 couldn't.
Will this run on Windows XP?
Why on earth doesn't MS have ONE SINGLE service for online storage, with synching as an option for that, and their online apps and hotmail able to access it....

Live Mesh, Groove, Office Live, Live Sync, Skydrive.... I'm a tech, and I certainly haven't got the time or inclination to work out what's what.
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SIMPLIFY IT!
amob23 3rd Jun 2010
Why on earth doesn't MS have ONE SINGLE service for online storage, with synching as an option for that, and their online apps and hotmail able to access it....

Live Mesh, Groove, Office Live, Live Sync, Skydrive.... I'm a tech, and I certainly haven't got the time or inclination to work out what's what.
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umm.. who cares?
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Setting the Record Straight!
LonMcClure 4th Jun 2010
Uh...This is probably not the venue for this but I see it wrong all of the time. "the main cook and bottle washer " should be "Chief, Cook, And Bottlewasher". You see, it covers the entire spectrum of jobs this way. This guy or gal does absolutely *everything*! Don't be fooled by the other often mis-used "Chief Cook and Bottlewasher". Even though all it is missing is a lowly comma, the meaning changes entirely and is limited to "kitchen duties". Besides, if there is a *Chief* or *Main* Cook, that infers that there are other cooks under her. If that were the case, why wouldn't the Chief Cook have one of the underlings wash the bottles? Just setting the record straight. I know I am right and you do too happy Love your articles, Mary Jo!
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