Windows Vista: What's missing?

Windows Vista: What's missing?

Summary: There’s been plenty written (with plenty more to come) about the features that are set to be included in Windows Vista. But what about features that won’t be in the next version of Windows?

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There’s been plenty written (with plenty more to come) about the features that are set to be included in Windows Vista. But what about features that won’t be in the next version of Windows?

I’m not talking about features that have been cut from Vista during the development process, such as WinFS. I mean features that are currently part of Windows XP that won’t be included in Vista.

The Wikipedia entry on Vista includes at the very end an interesting list of “XP features excluded” from Vista. (The rest of that same Wikipedia entry, about features set to be included in Vista, is a nice, relatively succinct read, as well.)

I can’t vouch for the complete accuracy of "excluded" list. In fact, I saw one entry – file and print services for Macintosh delivered via support for the AppleTalk protocol – that seems to have been discontinued (at least in the vast majority of cases) in 2001 with Windows XP.

But a number of the other entries are right on the money. Among the no-longer-part-of-Windows list:

• Windows Messenger, the instant-messaging program built into previous versions of Windows up to and including Windows XP. In its place: A download link (but not the actual bits, it seems) to Microsoft’s Windows Live Messenger. In South Korea, there will be links to other, competitive IM products, too; I'm not sure if this will be the case in the U.S. or not.

• Integration between Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer (IE). Remember not so long ago when Microsoft was arguing that IE was so tightly integrated into the fabric of Windows that it could not be removed? It seems at least some of that integration can be undone, after all.

• Support for IP over 1394 (FireWire), the Gopher protocol and IPX networks

• Microsoft Pinball. There are a bunch of other new games that will be integrated into Vista, like “Mahjong Titans,” “Spider Solitaire” and “Purble Place." But Pinball is out, as are links to the Backgammon, Hearts, Reversi, Spades and Checkers games on MSN Gaming Zone.

Anyone noticed any other XP features that aren’t in Vista that might be missed?

Topic: Windows

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for 30 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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  • FireWire

    FireWire is still supported for peripherals; the only chance is that it no longer supports IP over FireWire - which is a protocol for networking PCs together using FireWire instead of Ethernet, and which almost no-one uses
    po8crg
    • Frankly...

      Those automatic bridges that show up piss me off anyway. All they do is screw up VPN software.
      BitTwiddler
  • Dropping FireWire?

    The Wikipedia article says "IP over 1394 (FireWire)" is being
    dropped; in other areas, support for FireWire is increased, such as
    FireWire audio and loading drivers from FireWire devices.
    Doug K
    • FireWire

      Right you are, re: FireWire. Thanks for the catch.
      Mary Jo Foley
  • What's missing?

    A reasonable License Agreement for one.
    BitTwiddler
    • Who says it is not....

      Well, sometimes one has to take a slice instead
      of the whole loaf of bread.
      Linux User 1
  • THE BIGGEST THING MISSING...

    is simply a reason to throw away Windows XP.

    http://opendomain.blogspot.com/
    opensourcepro
  • Windows Messenger was only in XP

    Windows Messenger was introduced in Windows XP, and was not included in any previous versions. Thus your statement "Windows Messenger, the instant-messaging program built into previous versions of Windows up to and including Windows XP" needs revision.

    (Unless you count WinPopup from the 3.x days as a predecessor ;-))
    PB_z
  • r u saying IE could be removed from Windows in 2 months in 1998

    "IE was so tightly integrated into the fabric of Windows"

    The anti-trust case was in 1998. Today is 2006. Vista is a new OS. Lots of things change. Are you saying IE could be removed from Windows in 2 months back in 1998.
    zzz1234567890
    • It could be removed in 2 minutes.

      http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9903/09/removeie.idg/index.html?eref=sitesearch

      In other words, Microsoft's testimony in front of a federal judge was bunkus. Or, in legal terms, "perjury."

      Def, if you or I perfured ourselves in a federal court, we'd (still) be doing hard time at Huntsville, Texas. It's one of the great miscarriages of justice in American civil law that Microsoft didn't have their heads handed to them when it was clearly demonstrated that they flat-out lied to a federal judge and court.
      UserLand
  • A decent, secure, easy, stable, ... OS

    !
    Reverend MacFellow
  • While you're at it....

    Why don't you list all the features from DOS 5 that are "missing" in Vista.

    The constant negative spin on CNET when it comes to anything Microsoft is getting tired. Maybe MS should take a page from Google's book and freeze CNET out for a year. I've noticed that since that happened there's been nothing but rosy reporting on the wonders of Google!
    broper
    • Typical

      If the only allowed comments were appraisals, then why not shut down CNET, or indeed the entire press, and leave it to he true professional spinners: The PR departments and the politicians press officers.

      Have you grasped the idea of freedom of expression and free press?? What you really don't like is the Constitution.
      pkrdk
  • Acquiring photos from XP

    Transfering photos from a digicam to your comp was easy in XP 'coz u could selectively copy...that is unnecessarily removed. If you blog about it, may be they'll take notice and change it at the last moment. Everyone is complaining on this one.
    some1
  • The one thing......

    that SHOULD be missing but isn't is ActiveX. The reason for 90% of Windows problems and they leave it as is. I'm typing on Vista RC1 right now and they have beefed up security quite a bit. But, ActiveX is an open wound and everything they have done is just a band-aid to stop the bleeding. It's only a matter of time until that wound gets infected again.
    todbran9
    • Absolutely agree

      Active-X was developed as MS's answer to Java. It was never better than Java or more secure, but in true style Microsoft just couldn't accept someone else's success."We must have a thing like this". And in true style they made something where security was the last thing in mind, and being applied as the holes were discovered and published. Actually they are patched when they are published, not when they are found.
      pkrdk
  • I AM GLAD TO SEE IE INTEGRATION GONE

    If there's one thing that was nothing but a move to push out the competition with NO tangiable benefits to the consumer, it was that stupid integration of IE with Windows. Where exactly are the benefits? I see plenty of people preaching that there ARE benefits, but when pushed to provide a good list of what those benefits actually are, they come up empty.

    There never has been any benefits of integrating IE with Windows, except for pushing Netscape out of the picture.
    CobraA1
    • So who was KDE trying to eliminate?

      [i]There never has been any benefits of integrating IE with Windows, except for pushing Netscape out of the picture.[/i]

      My default KDE installation uses KHTML for almost everything, just like Microsoft did with their IE rendering library. Was this some evil ploy to wipe out Gnome?
      NonZealot
      • Oh, really?

        1. KDE doesn't use KHTML for "almost everything." It uses any of 3 commonly available FOSS versions of Postscript (AFPL Ghostscript, GNU Ghostscript or ESP Ghostscript) to render PDF, EPS and Postscript files in Konqueror (your choice of which to use. I'm using GNU Ghostscript). It uses the SVG renderer from Cairo (if you choose to install Cairo...again, your choice). Hey, listen, I've don't get on my lone Win2K box a lot these days, but I don't recall that level of choice [i]ever[/i] being presented to me with Windows. Nor on the few XP installs I've done for clients. Of course, you can go to Control Center | KDE Components | Component Chooser and select not only which render you wish to use for various file types but even how and if you want KDE to even [i]bother[/i] rendering the files and just launch the external app of your choice instead. But you've spent more than 2 days on KDE and knew that, right-- you're just being disingenuous? Right?

        2. But, wait, the kicker--you don't [i]need[/i] to even use KHTML to render those HTML, PNG, GIF and JPEG files in KDE and Konqueror if you don't wish to. In fact the KDE community itself has given you the option of switching out to a Gecko Kpart if you so choose: http://dot.kde.org/1094924433/
        You've had that choice since 2004. But this belabors the simple fact that on most modern, major distros you're [i]even given the choice of which desktop environment you can run.[/i] I've got three installed. Call me fickle, but at least I'm given the choice by the Fedora folks. I stick with KDE most of the time, though. My desktop...my choice.

        3. Microsoft, as per their own claims, gave you no choice as to whether you could uninstall IE. In fact, you [i]did[/i] have a choice but they lied to a federal judge and the world's media about it:
        http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9903/09/removeie.idg/
        [i]Why, no...Windows won't run without IE and you can't take it out![/i] is what they testified to a federal judge in 1998. Which, of course, was completely untrue.

        At least with the usual distro package featuring KDE, I also get my choice of the yum or apt package managers to download new software and therefore a choice of several other Web browsers which I can install at the click of a button. Rather painlessly, too, I might add. With no KDE developers telling me that "Why, no...you HAVE to use KHTML or KDE won't run."

        There's that ugly word again, "choice." Apparently, Microsoft just really, really doesn't like that word.
        UserLand
  • XP is missing from Vista - Just use XP if you want the real XP

    Why bother trying to run XP features in Vista when you can just stay with XP and not bother with Vista. Vista is not worth the time and is not worth the expense. If you have XP running fine for you, then forget about Vista and just use XP. Vista is just for those geeky fools who always want to have the latest updates. Just say NO to Vista. Stick with XP.
    rh0