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Matthew Miller & Joel Evans

I'm not surprised HP killed the TouchPad, but it is a sad way for Palm to end

By | August 18, 2011, 1:26pm PDT

Summary: I began using Palm devices in 1997 and tried to stick with them during the rough times, but this sure is a sad way to end Palm. The TouchPad was not the best tablet hardware and even with price cuts could not survive.

I tried out the HP TouchPad during the launch weekend and was not impressed with the chunky hardware and performance. I was then asked to be a tech editor on a book for the TouchPad so I bought my own from Craigslist, but even then found there was a lot of work to be done on webOS and the TouchPad hardware. As Larry just posted, HP is killing off webOS and the TouchPad line in a shocking revelation.

HP took a year to get the TouchPad ready and I was unimpressed with the final product as it was too chunky for a modern tablet. Yes, I understand the back was designed for the wireless charging stand so that is why it was thicker. I still think it could have been done better. They also released it with buggy software so it was slammed in reviews and it wasn’t until after the 2nd release that they updated the firmware to something more acceptable. All of that means nothing now though as the TouchPads are now all obsolete.

The major price cuts were kind of a cheap shot to consumers to go out and buy a device that HP knew it was killing off soon and if you bought it within the last few weeks I hope you can get your money back. I bought mine on Craigslist so I am stuck with it, but I am returning the charging stand and case to Best Buy to get my $100+ back.

Like Palm OS of old, there may be an enthusiastic user community around the TouchPad for a couple of years that hacks the OS and makes it a useful tablet. I probably can’t get rid of it now and will likely just keep it around as a tablet for my kids to play with. RIM might be pleased with the news as their PlayBook, that actually does a webOS-like interface better than HP, now has one less competitor in the mobile space. As James wrote, consumers won’t buy tablets unless they are iPads and now there is one less choice they have to make.

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Matthew Miller is an avid mobile device enthusiast who works during the day as a professional naval architect in Seattle.

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Matthew is a professional naval architect by day and a mobile gadget freak at all other times. He purchases most of his devices and then sells them on eBay or Craigslist to buy more. Many other devices are sent for review on a 30-day loaner basis and then returned to the carrier or manufacturer. If any are provided as “keeper” or “long term loaner units” this will be clearly disclosed in his reviews.

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Matthew Miller

Matthew Miller is an avid mobile device enthusiast who works during the day as a professional naval architect in Seattle. He is one of three hosts on the MobileTechRoundup podcast and runs the Nokia Experts website. Matthew started using mobile devices in 1997 with a US Robotics Pilot 1000 and has owned over 90 different devices running Palm, Linux, Symbian, Newton, BlackBerry, Mac OS X (iPhone), Google Android, and Windows Mobile operating systems. His current collection includes a Nokia N85, Nokia E71, Nokia 5800, Nokia N810, Apple iPhone, HTC Advantage, T-Mobile G1, Palm Treo Pro, HTC Fuze, MSI Wind, MacBook Pro, and many more, along with tons of accessories and classic devices like the Apple Newton MessagePad 2100 and Sony CLIE UX50. Matthew co-authored Master Visually Windows Mobile 2003, was a member of the Nokia Nseries Blogger relations program, and is a member of the invite-only Microsoft Mobius mobile device evangelist group. He can be found on various discussion forums under the user name of "palmsolo".

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Hasam1991 18th Aug
Google stock is going down tomorrow! i
A sad day. Let's hope Samsung buys WebOS.
@stephenpace
Samsung has Bada, which has been something of a success. Why would it want to buy webOS?
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GPLv2 code never dies Matt.
Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate 18th Aug
It gets contributed back to the community and takes on new and exciting forms.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate Amen
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KSLGW95 18th Aug
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate

Normally, I am not inclined to agree with you, but I hope someone takes up WebOS and play the part of Mozilla and turns WebOS into the next Firefox so to speak.

I hate to see palm go.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate
I think you and SJVN live in a different planet than rest of us. Ahem.
I go back far enough to have had a Palm Pilot and both Windows and Palm flavored Treos. I had a Pre and returned it. It is sad, but given their diminishing share of the market and poor marketing moves, I'm not at all surprised. I think the Pre was not well thought out from a hardware standpoint, and may have been the death knell.
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Saves the landfills... this was the worst HP piece of equipment I have ever been exposed to. What exactly were they thinking?
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old palms
fpspero 19th Aug
still have my TX might even have an old palm cd rom somewere they were my first ipods i'm truly sorry to see them go too
I'm kinda sad too, I fondly remember my first Palm (actually Handspring) and how amazing & simple they were to use. They were pratically idiot proof which was a godsend for me. It just seemed that they were cutting edge on alot of new stuff but got caught up in how exactly to use it to grow to the next great thing. Personally I would've loved to see a merger between Palm & BlackBerry since they are the OG's in the handheld world. I still have my old Palm devices and remember them fondly when I see them.
I started with the Palm in 1996 and stuck through Handspring, and Treo and was looking forward to the Pre3--oh, well.
now I'll look for a BB or something else with a hard keyboard (not an on screen type). or maybe look for an old Treo on EBay? happy
I guess we get nostalgic for the wrong things.
@sydney@... There are a few Android and WP7 smartphones with keyboard (slide in/out). BB, as of today, is selling mostly smartphones of "antique" grade. So, unless you fall in love to the specifc combination of keyboard and form-factor offered by the BB smartphone, it is better to spend your money and energy on those WP7 and Android version of keyboard-smartphone.
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CyanogenMod?
daboochmeister 19th Aug
Can the Touchpad hw be modded? Sure, it's not the greatest design, and likely the docking and such wouldn't be addressed - but compared to the cheap-o knockoffs hitting the streets, at a reasonable price (say, less than a Nook) would it be a worthwhile investment?

Just curious.
@daboochmeister Costco is now offering the Acer tablet at $348 after instance rebate. With that in mind, what should "reasonable price" be. I will go for one at $199, perhaps $249 max.
@daboochmeister What would you consider "reasonable". Costco is now offering the Acer tablet at $349, after the instant rebate. For me, $199 is a great price, $249 would be the bottom line.
To this date i'm still using my palm T2. It's a great device to carry around. It's really sad HP did not put in the effort to the Touch pad. If HP had put some effort in it, the potential for Web Os and Touch Pad could have been limitless. I sincerely hope someone will revive or redesign the Web Os and somehow intergrate it into a great tablet device.
Let's not only blame HP by asking "what were they thinking of when they made the TouchPad". Ask "what were the buyers thinking when they plunked down their hard earned cash for it??????"
I still use my Palm Tungsten T3 on a regular basis. Its calendaring is better than my Blackberry, it's screen is big enough to be a decent PDF book reader, it has games to keep my kids busy, and on Sunday it's my Bible in multiple translations. It has a bluetooth GPS with street maps (a bit outdated at this point though), and I can use it in meetings to take notes without people thinking I'm texting my friends. Oh, and it's an MP3 player without having to use the crappy iTunes software. Much to my surprise, battery life is still good too. I hate to see such a wonderful device fall by the wayside. I have to admit though, Apple's capacitative touch screen with the swiping gestures is pretty awesome.
@CincinnatiBill

A kindred spirit! I have had several Palms and 2 Clie'. Sony actually made a better device with the Clie' than Palm did, but they managed to do dumb stuff to cripple it as well. (Not the least was the $700 new price tag! I buy them used on eBay.)

The Palm does not come with even a calculator as standard software. The Clie' has the standard calculator, and the ability to turn off the back light, which the Palm does not. I didn't even miss them until I had them on the Clie'. The biggest problem with the Clie' is the proprietary Memory Stick, which on my model limits it to 128 MB, so useless as an MP3 player, even though the software is standard with the Clie'. But it has a 480 x 320 screen that is fantastic! I read eBooks on it all the time, and can display photos that look very good, (but again, limited to 128 MB storage.)

I bought a dinged up Palm E for $12 and with a 2 GB SD card, I use that as an MP3 player. The sound is great, but it isn't nearly as good a PDA as Clie' is.

I would like one device that does all of this, (a latter model Clie', but they are still going for around $100 on ebay,) but I am content enough until then.
My first cell phone was a rather clunky Motorola about 10 years ago. I had that for 3 years, then I had a Samsung flip phone for about 2 1/2 years (it got lost in the snow one winter at work) and STILL survived after four months - just needed to plug it in and recharge it. Since I needed a new phone, I went with a Palm Treo with PalmOS (I had a Palm Zire before). I had two Blackberry Curves and finally a Samsung Nexus S. Also an iPad & iPod Touch. All over a 10 year period. I still have my Treo 650, which proved useful when I had to get contacts for new phone and couldn't retrieve them from dead BB.
HP was trying to sell off the touchpad to it's employees for $250.00 not telling them that you can buy it at BestBuy for $149.00. What the hell is this company doing?
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200,000 apps or 500 all these are is cheap electronic junk made in china
Sad, webOS has great potential, but HP has no one to blame but themselves.
First Palm and HP abandoned the installed Palm user base - No desktop sync and pulled the app that allowed use of Palm OS apps on the webOS devices.
Next they abandoned the people who bought the first generation Pre and Pixi - no upgrade to webOS2
Then they asked us to buy the TouchPad and trust that they would support it and us -
SURPRISE!
@mmddmm

Not so surprised. I have to support desktop users and their HP printers. The (lack of) quality in their inkjet printers and the price of ink, chipped carts and printheads that expire on the shelf, I am not surprised at all. I already knew HP holds it's customers in contempt!
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Palm lives on...
jherloev Updated - 29th Aug
I have a warm fuzzy feeling inside, having moved from Symbian to Android a few months ago, I have just discovered that ''Grafitti'' is available. I like it better than a keyboard and even though it has been may years I still remember all the strokes...
I used Palmpilot for many years to keep trak of tasks at work.
To call any tablet, including the Touchpad), heavy is riduculous. I love the magnetic charging. Works great. The only problem with webOS is that Palm was backstabbed by HP, who did not have the heart or courage to see their vision through.
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