Microsoft/Nokia partnership: Nothing much so far

By | October 28, 2011, 7:51am PDT

Summary: When Microsoft and Nokia announced their major alliance behind Windows Phone, it brought the promise of special products to kick-start the platform. So far, all it’s brought are a couple of phones like the rest.

Early this year Microsoft and Nokia were beaming as they announced the strategic alliance that would see the latter’s smartphones switching to the Windows Phone platform. Talk was rampant about the possibilities working closely together would create for new competitive products. Rumors have been tossed freely describing that Microsoft paid over a billion dollars to Nokia to form the alliance. With all of the posturing by both companies, it is not unreasonable to think Nokia would produce a Windows Phone product with features to set it apart from the competition. Strangely, that hasn’t happened.

I have been following the happenings at Nokia World this week, hoping to see something unique coming that the strategic alliance has spawned. We’ve seen the first two Windows Phone products from Nokia, but neither one has that special something to set them apart from the competition. They are nice devices, but there is no special something that screams “look at me”. There’s not even a front-facing camera among them, to better take advantage of Skype video calling that is now under the Microsoft umbrella.

With all of the money and resources Microsoft and Nokia are pouring into this Windows Phone alliance, to see nothing that sets it apart from the crowd is puzzling. It leads to the conjecture that Microsoft can’t help Nokia produce a special feature in its Windows Phone line due to concerns about upsetting its other platform partners. Maybe Microsoft realizes its partner’s commitment to the Windows Phone platform is fragile, and can’t risk upsetting the Mango cart.

With an alliance that reportedly has cost over a billion dollars, it’s not unreasonable to expect something new and improved, or even something radically unique. Instead all we’ve seen are some decent handsets with more of the same, only bearing the Nokia branding. That’s not likely enough to make this huge effort worthwhile.

It bears closely watching Nokia in the near term to see if something, anything specific to this strategic alliance comes along to set the resulting products apart from the crowd. It’s not a huge crowd to be sure, but just another handset or two like the others is not worth all of the effort expended.

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Just another WP handset?
richardbrennan@... 1st Nov
"... just another handset or two like the others is not worth all of the effort expended."

I'm picturing a table with a Focus, HD7, Dell Venue Pro, Titan, Optimus 7 and the Nokia Lumia 800. It would seem that the Nokia would stand out as being completely unlike the others. Physically, it's a svelte N9 on a table with a bunch of big plastic slabs.
Pessimism + here...

The partnership is in its infancy - let it mature.
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How long should be expected?
Richard Flude 28th Oct
@tropolite Or is it an indefinite call? We are talking about a phone from a major phone manufacturer for an existing OS right?

"With all of the money and resources Microsoft and Nokia are pouring into this Windows Phone alliance, to see nothing that sets it apart from the crowd is puzzling. "

Only if you ignored the history of the company. Looks like the nothing produced, but for several press releases, is following the MS historical example perfectly.
@Richard Flude

Blah Blah Blah... I hate Microsoft... blah blah. is what I am reading.. It took an extra 6 - 8 months for Apple to make the same phone in white and they are major phone manufacturer too.
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@Richard Flude Let's see how those Android updates are going ...
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See the MS apologists are out
Richard Flude 28th Oct
Hate MS or saying it as it is. Guess it doesn't matter.

Go the press release machine. Only a matter of time until they'll replace products;-)
@tropolite Sure, we'll let it mature...

In the mean time the "new" flagship from Nokia will miss the holidays in US as will all the other "flagships" of WP.
That same holiday season Apple will have its latest out, Android will have not just one, but several phones with cutting edge hardware.

And why would anybody wait for those "new" WP devices, when they are already a year behind. Spare your breath, if you wanna say that dual-core doesn't matter: http://gizmodo.com/5853863/browser-speed-test-nokia-lumia-800-vs-iphone-4s-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-ii

Finally, what's the point of timely WP updates, when the software's clock is a year behind - no NFC, no dual-core...
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@nuzayaz Nokia's new flagship, the N9, was shipped to stores last month - in plenty of time for holiday shopping. The Lumias are two mid-level phones, the first of the new line. Expect a 500 series budget WP, followed by a new 900 series flagship in 2012 - maybe for the US launch.

I don't get all the grousing. Nokia delivered more than they promised (not one, but TWO phones) and ahead of schedule to boot. For a company that typically announces a phone six months before it's able to ship it, I think that's a pretty neat turnaround.
Give them some time, its barely 8 months...
@owlnet

And who would have expected that a partenership with MS and Nokia would produce phones? SJVN was obviously expecting the second coming.

Try leaving your 20C UI behind SJVN and actually use a wp7 phone for a while and you;ll realise Nokia is already ahead of the ANdroid mess and the planned obsolescence of the iPhone.
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No plans for obsolescence
Robert Hahn 29th Oct
the planned obsolescence of the iPhone
You mean they are finally going to stop improving Windows Phone? Thank goodness! All we've heard for a year while WP has languished in the marketplace is "Wait for Tango! Wait for Mango! Wait for Nokia! Just you wait!"So now it's going to stay the same and we can stop waiting? What if the stuff they have now doesn't sell any better than the stuff they've had all year? Won't they obsolete what they have now and change things?
Nokia moved to entirely different platform in 8 months and now have phones for the new platform. It is damn remarkable. What would you expect in 8 months?
@paul2011

Really? I'm sure the guts are similar to their other smartphones (ARM CPU, radio, etc.). I'm also sure MS sent some engineers over to help.
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@itguy10
to come up with the Nexus one, issues and all.
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Just about every company ...
P. Douglas 28th Oct
@itguy10,

... that releases an initial product in an established market, does not release the best product at the time. Why? Because it is under pressure to release something, and then build on it. It almost invariably takes time for a company to eventually build the best products.

What Nokia did in such a short time is absolutely remarkable. Also its Windows Phones contain exclusive mapping, music, and other software that far surpass software from other hardware manufacturers, and are among the best software in their classes. Therefore Nokia phones currently have a software edge over its competitors, which help differentiate them from other phones.

I'm tired of reading bloggers complaints that Nokia's phones are disappointing. Bloggers need to view Nokia's performance in proper context, and appreciate Nokia has done a remarkable feat that will likely turn around the company in relatively short order, and has cleverly used software to differentiate its phones - unlike the competition.
@itguy10
Ever tried to port OS to a new platform in 8 months? Try it. Smarta$$...
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@itguy10 Why doesn't Google put ICS on all Android phones? I'm sure the guts are similar to their other smartphones (ARM, CPU, radio, etc.).
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I would add...
Solid Water 28th Oct
@itguy10

Very similar, just look at N9 and tell me what are those ten differences... wink

Can somebody enlighten me when N9 was started?
@itguy10
Yes they did, like they are helping you on a daily basis just to save your a** at your work, if you are still employed.
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Makes sense as WP7 is a Turd
itguy10 28th Oct
With it's dismal (and declining) market share why would anyone want to put any effort into it? I mean why should I pay MS for something that won't sell and turns users off?

Nokia phones pretty much have been on the decline since the early 2000's and this turd won't save them.
@itguy10
With it's dismal (and declining) market share why would anyone want to put any effort into it? I mean why should I pay Google for something that won't sell and turns users off?

Nexus phones pretty much have been on the decline since the early 2009's and The Nexus S won't save them.

They even had to but Motorola just to ensure that somebody would continue to make them!
@William Farrell

Nexus 1 was an HTC phone
Nexus S = Samsung
Galaxy Nexus = Samsung

I Think you may be confused. Fact is WP7 is a turd. From the most important point - sales. The UI is a turd too but that is subjective.
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No, I didn't confuse anything.
William Farrell 28th Oct
@itguy10

HTC quit making them for Google cause they didn't sell, so they moved to Samsung.
Samsung is going to quit making them because the turd isn't selling. well

So they had to buy Motorola to ensure that somebody would make them.

Clear enough now?
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RE: Microsoft/Nokia partnership: Nothing much so far
LoverockDavidson_-24231404894599612871915491754222 28th Oct
We must be reading about two different Nokia Worlds because what I read and saw looked pretty darn good. The Nokia 710 and 800 are some very sweet looking phones. With WP7 powering it you know its going to be a smooth UI. No front facing camera is not a big deal, most people do not use it. They try it once just to try it and that's the last time they use it. This is only 2 phones they have announced with more in the pipeline. You want the Nokia phones to be more like other phones or turn it into something its not.
@LoverockDavidson_

Front facing camera

Yeah it's a novelty for all those millions (or billions) of Facetime chats that happen.

It's such a novelty that most new phones are come with it. Google has support for it built in to Ice Cream Sandwich.

Keep Telling yourself that. It's just another of the many examples of MS not having a clue.
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RE: Microsoft/Nokia partnership: Nothing much so far
LoverockDavidson_-24231404894599612871915491754222 28th Oct
@itguy10
Its there but like I said, people are using it once or twice to try it then that's it.
@itguy10

Millions? Billions? I think you are exaggerating a bit don't ya think? Facetime is an Apple only product and only works with Apple branded hardware/software. I know many that use it computer to computer but most actually opt for a program like Skype that can work across platforms and the vast majority of them are doing that on a computer or laptop with a webcam.

Until Wireless Carriers can get their bandwidth issues resolved and allow most video conferencing application to be used over the 3g/4g networks it is not going to be used all that much. Also not many people find the use of doing that on a 4" screen.

That being said it would still be nice to have it there but if a person feels they need or want such a feature there are other good phones that can do that.
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@itguy10 What do you expect to hear from a MS employee who "blogs" to promote the MS mantra. Don't waist you time.
@timspublic1@...
>>Don't waist you time.
Don't WAIST you time? what does it mean actually?
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@itguy10
There are none (zero, zilch, nada) WP apps that use a FFC. Not one of the WP handsets currently on the market have a FFC. (Oops - Radar will be released tomorrow and it has one - I stand corrected, tomorrow there will be *one*.)
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Script Kiddies
Robert Hahn 29th Oct
Very reasonable-sounding low-key plug for what Nokia have accomplished. Encouragement to continue waiting while the elephants practice dance. Use of non-hyperbolic adjectives like 'sweet'. Seeming indifference to the sinking market share of both firms, hardware and software. Feigned confidence that the late train will arrive first.
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I have to say I've been impresses with what Nokia has managed to do. As a counter look at tablets. For a decade tablets have existed but the over all reaction in the market was a yawn. Then came the iPad and sales took off... Much to many a pundits surprise I might add:). Then came the wanna be's and for what is it two years now they've been trying to come up with something interesting and have yet to do so. These are huge companies with immense resources like HP and RIM to mention only a couple of the many making tablets today so to say that coming up with new windows phones in 8 months time is not impressive ignores recent history that is still playing out before your very eyes.

Pagan jim
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@James Quinn

N9 with the same WP7.5 as produced by other manufacturers already? shocked
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It seems to me that
timiteh Updated - 28th Oct
one of the key point of this partnerships is to offer Windows Phone at a reasonable price. And unless there are something i miss the Lumia 710 is a good quality quite cheap Windows Phone and one of the few which will be available for the upcoming months.
Moreover the Lumia 800 is not that expensive and seems to have a good quality/price ratio.
And last but not the least, Nokia has the resources and the will to target a much wider audience than the one target by all the other Windows Phones OEM combined.
Of course i will wait until Nokia come with a high end Windows Phone but i am not the average smartphone user.
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A decade of mistakes
GoPower 28th Oct
and we should expect different results because MS dump a billion into the deal???
Android was released in Q4 2008:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Android_1.0

but Q2 2010 it was outselling iPhone:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/16081/android_whips_the_iphone_in_2010_sales_will_apple_celebrate

note: windows phone 7 was released in Q4 2010, ie 12 months ago. I've yet to see anyone with it, whereas 12 months in with Android, multiple people I knew had it.

This could of course change, but it's looking a bit like a flop right now.
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They have done alot already
root12 28th Oct
They have killed two superior mobile OS's, MeeGo and Symbian.
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I think you are still in SJVN mood. Please come out of it ASAP. One SJVN is enough, we don't need two.
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Just think, they were able to produce a much superior model in the N9 running Linux. Yet with the extra time they had to work on the Lumia 800, they had to drop features that were present in the Linux phone: the front-facing camera and NFC.

This shows more than anything how running Windows is a handicap that drags you down. It's simply incapable of competing in a free market.
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I was expecting much more
iscogd 29th Oct
We have waited 8 months for phone which is not much different from others like Omania W, HTC etc'. Even if it's only the beginning as some said, I have expected Nokia to raise the bar up. The extra map & music feature will not work for 80% of users, so I don't really see Nokia advantages. Take into consideration that in past it took Nokia approx. 6 - 8 months from phone presentation until phone reach the market, and you can understand my doubts.
At moment I'm skeptic.
I think the offering if differentiated - fresh, and I am sure will sell like. The phone is different, the OS is different, and now it gets a channel, and very much differentiated marketing.

The Editor is a bot..
I have a firm belief in Nokia that it makes the best hardware ever, strong tough reliable, and with Microsoft windows phone 7.5 t will be a killer combo

http://thetechnologycafe.com/nokia-prepares-for-a-comeback-targeting-asia-and-europewould-you-rather-opt-for-any-other-smartphone/
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Just another WP handset?
richardbrennan@... 1st Nov
"... just another handset or two like the others is not worth all of the effort expended."

I'm picturing a table with a Focus, HD7, Dell Venue Pro, Titan, Optimus 7 and the Nokia Lumia 800. It would seem that the Nokia would stand out as being completely unlike the others. Physically, it's a svelte N9 on a table with a bunch of big plastic slabs.

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