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The big Windows 8 tablet challenge

By | September 21, 2011, 6:04am PDT

Summary: Windows 8 is much more than a tablet OS, and that may be its downfall in the hot mobile market.

It is obvious that Microsoft is throwing the engineering book at Windows 8 from everything we have seen so far about the next version of Windows. The decision to make Windows 8 work on every type of computer, with basically two OSes in one, is ambitious and points the new OS at both mobile and conventional computer users. This is a huge challenge to get right, but it is clear Microsoft is giving this its best shot.

What the dual OS approach fails to address is that tablets and computers are very different devices that serve very different purposes. The success of the iPad is in large part due to the fact that Apple focused it to do tablet things very well, while ignoring conventional computer tasks. Microsoft has taken a different path with Windows 8 that may prove to be difficult due to its aim at addressing the needs of everyone, not just the mobile crowd.

Why the iPad has succeeded

Many argue that the success of the iPad is due to the Apple effect, as the faithful will buy anything. I believe different factors were at play, as the iPad focused on what mainstream mobile users really need. This can be broken down as follows:

  • Reasonable price: Apple nailed the price the first time with the iPad, and forced the competition to meet its pricing. This has proven difficult for them to do.
  • Easy user interface: The iPad interface may be too simple for some, but it has resonated with users. The simple “apps as icons” home screens coupled with consistent touch controls appeals to non-techies.
  • Performance is king: Tablets don’t need to be the best performers, but users will not tolerate lags in operation. The iPad delivers this and the perception is that performance is very good.
  • Good battery life: The iPad was the first computer that delivered all day usage on a single charge of the battery. Competing tablets had to match that, as consumers are not willing to plug a tablet into the wall in the middle of the day. Throw the tablet in the bag and use it as desired all day.
  • No maintenance: I can’t stress this point enough. Consumers want tablets to just work, with no effort required on their part to keep things running smoothly. Regular updates that are easily applied are the secret sauce behind the iPad’s success with users.
  • Easy/ cheap app purchase and updates: The iPad has changed the way program purchases are made by users. Clean apps that cost just a few dollars have become the norm, in large part due to the iPad.
  • One running task at a time: Techies love multitasking and the ability to run lots of things at once, but the iPad has proven that most users don’t care about it. Tablets have limited screen real estate, and users are happy with doing one thing at a time as long as switching to other things is easy.
  • Simple hardware: The iPad has proven that fancy hardware such as external memory cards, USB hosting and the like is just not needed by most users. The key to user satisfaction is thin, light hardware that works well at the basics.
  • No security concerns: Malware is nasty business but not even a concern to iPad owners. Security updates to protect them happen as needed as part of the standard maintenance of the iPad.

The iPad delivered on all of these needs, and Apple’s standard good marketing drove these points home. The results are plain to see, with iPads flying off the shelves in a steady stream since release.

What Windows 8 must bring to the tablet

Windows 8 is not designed just for tablets, it will power desktops and laptops, too. I focus on tablets with this article as it is clear Microsoft recognizes the importance of the genre, and has put such a big effort into getting the interface and design of Windows 8 for tablets as good as possible. What we’ve seen so far is promising, but making Windows 8 work on all of these types of computers, as different as they are, may impact the user experience on tablets negatively.

The “one OS fits all” philosophy that Microsoft has adopted with Windows 8 offers more flexibility to the user, but it may fall short in two key areas on tablets. Windows 8 will work on sophisticated hardware, but as demonstrated by the iPad that is not necessarily good for tablets. Android tablet makers have already fallen victim to this to varying degrees, by including additional hardware (think SD cards, 3G/4G connectivity, etc.) that appeal to some consumers but not many.

This hardware makes the tablets more expensive than they need to be, and more complex for the OS to handle. The pricing impact is easy to understand, but the system complexity makes hits on the performance and the reliability of tablet operation. Either of these can be fatal in the marketplace, and blame for poor performance will fall on Windows 8. Users blame the OS when things are frustrating, not the hardware, and this is what Microsoft has opened itself to by making Windows 8 so broad-reaching in scope.

While techies may be willing to put up with minor performance glitches in tablet operation due to the expanded usage possible, most consumers will not be. Tablets running the first version of Honeycomb fell victim to poor performance and instability, as did the HP TouchPad, and consumers stayed away from them. Tablet customers don’t care if you can do more things (and more complicated things), if you can’t do the basic things fast and easily. The complexity that Windows 8 brings to the tablet is going to make this hard to deliver, I’m afraid.

Microsoft must deal with Windows maintenance much differently for tablets than it does currently for Windows systems. While Windows PC owners will put up with the need to handle maintenance as they do now, tablet owners won’t because the iPad and Android tablets has shown them they don’t need to. While those in the know realize that security updates are required to head off the bad guys that attack Windows systems relentlessly, the simple fact is the iPad (which Windows 8 tablets will be compared to) security concerns are nonexistent to the end user. That is what Windows 8 has to compete with, and compete it must.

I am looking forward to seeing Windows 8, especially on tablets, as it gets near to production form next year. I’m on record that I believe my dream tablet will have a Windows sticker on it. That comes down to how well Microsoft delivers on not just the overall OS package, but the tablet subset in particular. That is the big Windows 8 challenge.

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baconman84 1st Mar
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I agree. But I think Windows 8 has competition only from Android, not iPad. People who are already hooked on to Apple won't leave them easily. That part of the market isn't available to either Microsoft or Google, from what we have seen over the last few years.
Both these companies have almost identical sets of problems - fragmentation in both hardware and software. I am of the opinion that Win8 will probably trump Android on tablets, and from there on, *maybe* on smartphones as well.
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@regsrini Windows 8 needs to compete with the iPad though, as the only proven market of a size to fit MSFT. Android tablets are doing OK, but not selling anywhere near as well as the iPad.
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@JamesKendrick
You're right about that, they do need to compete with iPad, but I was trying to say that MS most likely won't affect Apple's bottom line anyway, because of the loyalty that Apple commands.
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@JamesKendrick Even though Apple has the bestselling tablet device at the moment it is still a sector in its infancy. As MS pointed out at Build they???ve got 400 million Win 7 users. MS should aim to migrate existing Windows customers plus make gains in emerging markets.
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@alecfoundry: Do not ever confuse selling to the supply chain, with actual installed base. Microsoft knows exactly how many licenses are active, but like they do for other things, Microsoft only count units shipped.
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@JamesKendrick

Why do they even need to touch the iPad's market? Its still a very niche group of owners. The rest of society is waiting for a more compelling Tablet to dump $600 into.

Win8 on tablets will redefine the Laptop/Netbook market. I think people who are stuck in this mindset that the Tablet is a separate market, are REALLLLLY missing THE BIG PICTURE.

The Win8 tablet will be your future PC. Dock it into your desktop at home and use it as a content creator with the traditional desktop UI. Grab it to go and use the touch UI while you are out mobile.

I find it mind boggling how short sighted Tech Bloggers are. It makes me wonder how they are considered qualified for the job.
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Please justify your statement
toddybottom 21st Sep
@JamesKendrick
"Windows 8 needs to compete with the iPad "

You state this as fact with nothing to back it up.

Windows 8 slates need to sell in large, profitable numbers. Windows 8 does not need to compete with iPad. In fact, it would be suicide to compete with iPad. Apple has killed every competitor that has gone up against it.

I really wish everyone would stop calling on MS to copy Apple. Apple could not beat MS on the desktop. They couldn't do it. So they wisely killed the Apple clone. Most Apple profit comes from their devices and Apple changed their name to reflect this change in focus. Everyone who asked Apple to copy MS was wrong. Likewise, everyone currently asking MS to copy Apple is also wrong.

MS is not copying Apple and this is a good thing.
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@JamesKendrick Except Windows 8 is meant for ALL PCs tablet or not. So it could quite conceivably fail utterly to dent the iPad but still be a huge success.

I think everyone (Microsoft included) are rather too fixated with the iPad (though to be fair Apple don't seem as fixated on it - there is still a lot of activity around the Mac).

Windows 8 seems to forget it's core market - PCs (with pointers) as it heads off to "finger computer land".
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@Rick_Kl
We all know that the total world uses Mac OSX including the ones in the Microsoft.
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@regsrini I think Windows 8 on tablets will eat Android's lunch, mainly due to an improved user experience. I also think Windows 8 won't touch Apple's iPad for at least a few years. It doesn't have anything to do with Apple user loyalty, though. It has to do with Apple already having a great user interface, longer batter life, very extensive ecosystem of third-party hardware and a truly massive application library. I will have no problem leaving Apple when something truly better appears. That means better battery life, better user interface, better screen resolution, better cameras, better add-ons, better applications, better weight, and better performance. I just don't see that happening any time soon. Apple has a huge head start on everyone else.

So, I think the pecking order on tablets will be iOS, Metro/Win8, then Android very soon after Win8 ships. Basically, Win8 will appeal to the same type of folks who like Android and want to avoid the Apple lock-in. The uptick for Microsoft is that Win8/Metro on tablets may convince more people to try Windows on their phones.
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RE: The big Windows 8 tablet challenge
willyampz Updated - 21st Sep
@BillDem
Nope, windows 8 has no appeal to me at all. I'm an android user, and love the whole google thing. Maybe its just because I hate MS (due primarily because of their undisclosed patent threats against linux and android). This reminds me of when android tablets were comming and they said "wait until people see what a real tablet can do with the dual-core, 1GB memory, sd card and usb port". Turns out, relatively few cared based on that. The ipad proved that with the tablet, the simpler and more limited, yet refined, the better. I tried ubuntu on my tablet and it worked fine but then I remembered why I had a tablet in the first place (quick and simple consumption device and email) and went back to android. I left the desktop OS to my full blown laptop.
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RE: The big Windows 8 tablet challenge
dave95. Updated - 21st Sep
@willyampz

Nice post. Competitors first need to understand the target market to challenge Apple. If consumers really wanted a full traditional PC on a tablet/Slate form factor they would have bought these decades ago. Like I've been saying the form factor will always dictate the use cases. A slate form factor is ideal for consumption and light computing. Efficient computing. No fumbling with updates - OS updates, Flash, Java updates, Anti-Virus prompts, Firewall prompts, crashes, slowdowns and other OS/UI complexities. When I am reading the morning paper or an eBook on my tablet device, I just want the technology to get out the way. Apple nailed this with the iPad.

If I want to do serious system tasking work (photoshop, Autocad), I grab my Sony laptop.
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dave: Only because you have to
toddybottom Updated - 21st Sep
"If I want to do serious system tasking work (photoshop, Autocad), I grab my Sony laptop."

Go back 5 years to before the iPhone came out and most phones in the hands of consumers were feature phones. Would this statement be true?
"If I want to do any web surfing or emailing, I grab my Sony laptop."

Yes, this was true. History tells us that this didn't stop Apple from creating the iPhone and this is a good thing.

So just because todays tablets aren't good for doing "real" work doesn't mean that this will always be true. Just like Apple wasn't scared away from creating the iPhone because everyone knew that phones can't be used for emailing or surfing, I'm glad that MS isn't scared away from creating slates that can do more "serious" work.

" If consumers really wanted a full traditional PC on a tablet/Slate form factor they would have bought these decades ago."

Keep in mind that these tablets always cost significantly more than $1,000. While there are many reasons these failed (I tried a Windows 7 tablet at an MS store and hated it) price was a big factor in the "failure" of the tablet PC. Hardware prices fall and if MS can truly create a more efficient Windows in Windows 8 then it is possible that you could get a very functional Windows 8 slate for $700.

"No fumbling with updates - OS updates, Flash, Java updates, Anti-Virus prompts, Firewall prompts, crashes, slowdowns and other OS/UI complexities"

Somewhat agree. There are still OS updates with iOS devices so no, Apple has not gotten rid of this. In fact, Apple currently has the most annoying and inconvenient OS update process which I believe they are fixing with iOS 5? As for other updates, I update my iPad and iPhone approximately once per day so again, consumers are obviously not averse to dealing with constant updates on their tablets. AV prompts? I never get any AV prompts on my desktop with MSE, not sure why this would be any different on the tablet. And if MS is going with a walled garden approach for tablets (I think they are) then AV is no longer required. iOS devices don't require AV and there is no reason to believe that a walled off Windows 8 tablet would be any different. As for crashes and slowdowns, of course you are right but this almost never happens in Windows 7 today, no reason to believe Windows 8 would be worse. And again, with the walled garden approach, Windows 8 on the tablet could be just as stable as iOS.
@regsrini
MS Tablet will never succeed like the iPad for one simple reason. iPad is hardware and software merged seamlessly into one device.

MS only makes software with little control over the hardware design. Impossible to make a compelling device with software alone.. it's like the brain without the body...
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WilErz 22nd Sep
@ regsrini

Apple's 'core' users are extremely loyal, but with the iPhone and iPad they've moved far beyond their core user base to people who are largely indifferent to the brand. I know iPhone users who absolutely hate Apple PCs, iPhone users who have switched to Android and iPad users who use Windows PCs and Android mobile phones.

If Microsoft can offer a better experience than the iPad (a big 'if', for the reasons James Kendrick outlines), then they can almost certainly attract some iPad users away from Apple. If they can't do that, it's difficult to see how they'll succeed in the market.
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I agree that from a performance standpoint, Windows 8 has to be significantly better on tablets than anything MS has put out before but I also think that users will be more forgiving of problems with Windows 8 on tablets if they get decent performance and they can do a lot of the things they can do with their current Window laptop.

I love my Iconia and I will defend it with my last breath but neither it nor iPad can replace a laptop or even a netbook for many things. MS needs to fill that gap and they will have a hit on their hands. I know several old timers that really want to be able to run existing Windows software on a tablet and if they can't, the form factor isn't useful for them.

I have Windows 8 running on my netbook and on a virtual and it is nice. I am guessing they will have a configuration option to turn off the metro UI for desktops and laptops. I would like to see the metro UI pop up in a non-full screen window when you press the Start button on desktops and laptops.
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@redhaven,

... used in Clinton's race against George Bush Sr.: it's the user experience stupid! As long as MS nails the user experience, all that it adds on top of it, will just make Win 8 PCs more compelling. (Apps are crucially important as well.)

I think it's important that MS goes significantly beyond what the iPad can do, and essentially 'iPadify' the Windows PC experience across all devices. People need to not only be able to just consume content with their tablets and other PCs, they also need to be able to use their tablets / PCs for work, and create content. I also believe MS needs to push the entire PC ecosystem to touch computing plus stylus over time - away from the current mouse / trackpad / physical keyboard paradigm. This going to be very important for the PC ecosystem to evolve, and not stagnate - like it is now doing.

Watch this video on the use of Numbers for the iPad. (You can watch this video as well.) You are able to see where touch makes interacting with productivity apps such as spreadsheets, simpler and more effective. Numbers accomplishes this with a simplified, engaging user experience, custom soft keyboards, etc. Mind you, people complain that Numbers is not very compatible with Excel, is too slow, and is not sophisticated enough. The videos however show that productivity apps can benefit significantly from a touch interface over the traditional GUI. I believe this points to a bright future for Windows with metro apps, which can deliver better and new user experiences for both consumption and productivity apps, while also providing the horsepower required for productivity apps to be truly useful and enjoyable.
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Windows 8 Tablet has no competition. For all the other users out there that want a full computer in a tablet like myself, this is it.
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RE: The big Windows 8 tablet challenge
owlnet Updated - 21st Sep
I agree with most of the points in the article.

When Win 8 comes to market, I believe there will be lot of win 8 tablets from different OEM with different capabilities and different price points so that techies and no-techies can choose the one that suits them.

From what I see from the developer preview version, its fair to say that Win8 will run pretty smooth and will have a great user experience. Security is built-in in Win8, so users dont have to install any ant-virus and antimalware. And the tablet version may not need weekly on monthly updates. Most users dont mind updates once in 3 months or six months.
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May, maybe, might, could be...
NoAxToGrind 21st Sep
Sorry but your fan boy sttitude is showing. Trust me, Windows 8 is going to kick butt in the market.
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This article makes many good points and the summary of what makes the Ipad a success is spot on. I bought my wife an Ipad and she uses it very day and loves it! It's a beautiful device but the inability to multi-task is a killer for me personally. You can't even have more that one web page open at a time on Ipad Safari, obviously not an issue for my wife or the millions of other users out there. Win 8 tablet looks really promising in so many ways. I just wonder if MS can get it right. The Win-8 desktop, although still needed, seems clunky compared to Metro. This should be interesting to say the least. In the mean time I'm still waiting for an acceptable Android tablet. Samsung's Galaxy Tab 10.2 might fit the bill, but the 3G/4G 2-year contract is a deal breaker for me. Still waiting...
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P. Douglas Updated - 21st Sep
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Great post James. Question for you - if I can dock my tablet and operate it with keyboard and mouse, is it not transformed into a desktop? If I can attach a keyboard with additional battery and ports, will it not become a laptop? And if I yank the screen and walk away with it, is it not a tablet?

I think you are mistaken un believing that a Win8 tablet is JUST a tablet.
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Exactly, it is the Mobile PC
spaulagain Updated - 21st Sep
@bitcrazed

Amen!! What is with all these short sighted tech bloggers!

The Samsung Tablet they passed out at BUILD already has a docking station that allows for an additional screen and USB keyboard mouse. MS is already showing this in its preview, why can't people see what is right in front of them!
when they can get a laptop and iPad together for $1000.
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$2000?
rhonin 21st Sep
@baggins_z
From where do you pull that figure?
ASUS Transformer with keyboard dock - $500
I don't see a Win8 version being significantly more expensive.....
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Yes, but ...
WilErz 22nd Sep
@ bitcrazed

... when a tablet is undocked it has to work as well as an iPad. That means no background desktop processes consuming resources and battery life, no interaction with UI that isn't touch friendly, etc.

I think Microsoft should go as far as offering a setting to suspend the desktop app (i.e. the entire Aero desktop) when the tablet is undocked (or no keyboard and mouse are connected), and resume it when the tablet is re-docked. They should even make that the default configuration.

Metro has to be usable with a keyboard and mouse, and I think that's doable. At the same time, I don't think there's any way to make the Aero desktop usable without a keyboard and mouse, or to make existing desktop apps 'low-power friendly'. When a Windows 8 tablet is being used as a tablet, it should be a pure tablet. It's the only way to guarantee the quality of the user experience.
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Has the iPad really been successful? Will the same bar be used to measure Windows 8? PC makers sell 400+ million Windows PC's each year. Apple will sell maybe 25-30 million iPads. If Microsoft only sold 30 Million Windows 8 tablets would it be considered a success or a failure? How will the tech world measure the success of a device that is both a tablet and a PC?

Think about this, Microsoft is creating an OS that can instantly and equally work on 400+ million new devices sold each year, based on the current "Tech" logic, Microsoft only needs to convince 10% of those buyers to purchase a tablet for it to be a success.
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Forecasting weather is easier
Robert Hahn 21st Sep
@rwalrond Are you the guy that told Hewlett Packard to go ahead and order the parts for a million TouchPads on the grounds that they only had to sell one-twenty-fifth as many units as Apple? How did that work out?

Which hardware OEM do you think is going to order parts for a million WindowsPads before they see whether the dogs like the dog food? I'll tell you: none. After what happened with Android, none of them are going to be that adventurous. Windows 8 tablets will probably be supply-constrained for the first year. That will keep sales well below 30 million. Well below 5 million, probably.
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@Robert Hahn Actually I'm the guy who said HP was stupid to buy Web/OS in the first place. I wonder what HP would do once Win8 arrives on tablets, would they sell both? which could confuse consumers.. well we all know what they decided. I will say this, because Windows 8 is both a tablet and desktop OS and since it's coming from an install base of billions of users, I think a Win8 tablet is less of a risk than an Android or web/OS tablet. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
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@Robert Hahn

What about apps? How long before touch friendly apps arrive? Is a user going to be trapped between a Win7 style app or a touch friendly app?
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@Robert Hahn

What happens when a end user buys a touch friendly app and they have a desktop without touch or what happens when a end user is using their brand new Win8 Tablet and launches an app that has the old Windows UI?
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Success is based on profit
toddybottom 21st Sep
@rwalrond
iPad has been successful because Apple can sell 30 million of them and make a couple hundred bucks pure profit on each one.

Microsoft won't sell tablets or slates so their profit will come from OS licenses which I'm pretty sure will be sold at less than $200 each. So to make the same type of profit as Apple does, MS will have to sell far more than 30 million licenses.

Then there is the problem of the hardware manufacturer. If, like every tablet maker other than Apple, they lose money on each Windows 8 slate that they sell, they won't keep selling them. The problem is that Apple has the supply chain sewn up and no one can buy their parts as inexpensively as Apple can. We already know based on 10 years of lackluster tablet sales that pricing these tablets at $2,000 each won't result in big numbers. We also know that pricing them at $500 results in nearly no profit. So will consumers see the value in paying $700 for a tablet that has a longer spec sheet than the iPad? That's the question.
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@toddybottom So my point was will Microsoft be judged with the same measurement. What I think you're trying to tell me is no, because instead of comparing units, we will shift to comparing profit. So even if Microsoft sells 60 million tablets, if the profit is more than Apple, it won't be considered a success? I do Agree though, that it will be harder for these hardware makers to make the same kind of profit as Apple, but that is also true of today.
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That's a lot of money
Robert Hahn 21st Sep
@toddybottom Do you really believe that Microsoft's licensing fee for Win 8 on a tablet could be much more than $50? At retail, that would put a $75 to $100 price difference between otherwise-identical Android and Windows 8 tablets. Microsoft better have one heck of a good story to tell for why people should part with an extra hundred bucks.
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Success will depend on who you ask
toddybottom 21st Sep
If you ask any of the Apple fanboys, they define Success as "What Microsoft Is Not".

"So even if Microsoft sells 60 million tablets, if the profit is more than Apple, it won't be considered a success?"

Not at all. If Microsoft can make more from the sale of 60 million licenses than it cost to create those 60 million licenses then it will be a success for Microsoft. Will it be as big a success as the iPad is for Apple? Only the stupid Apple fanboys will care but they can be safely ignored.
"Microsoft better have one heck of a good story to tell for why people should part with an extra hundred bucks"

Microsoft needs to convince OEMs why they should part with $50 per device instead of going with the "free" Android (and it isn't free once you add google licensed apps, codec licenses, lawyers to defend yourself against Apple, etc).

But don't kid yourself, even iOS costs Apple a certain amount of money per iPad sold. In any Build vs Buy decision, buying software instead of building it can often end up being cheaper. So it isn't like the $50 OEMs may choose to pay MS is a cost that none of the other tablet makers bear, including Apple.

The $700 price tag I floated out there is not because these are going to be Windows 8 tablets with the extra $200 over a $500 iPad going towards the OS licensing costs. I'm suggesting that because Apple has the supply chain sewn up so tight, even current Android tablets are not profitablet at $500. Tablets need to be priced at about $700 for any non Apple tablet maker to make a profit on a high quality tablet no matter what OS is on that tablet.

Will consumers see the value in better multi-tasking, a much better UI, and the ability to run the exact same Metro applications on their tablets and their PCs? I have no idea but if WP7 is any indication, I predict that Windows 8 slates will fail for reasons that are not technical in nature. WP7 is a fine OS that is being slaughtered in the market for every non technical reason in the book. If one were to walk into a Best Buy and have as much difficulty buying a Windows 8 slate as people currently have trying to buy a WP7 then Windows 8 slates will be an epic fail.
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@ toddybottom

... is a Metro version of Office. Office is probably Microsoft's single most important asset, and if they offer a good Metro version of Office for Windows 8 tablets, vendors may be able to justify higher prices -- especially to business customers.

Getting Office to work well as a collection of Metro apps with touch UIs won't be easy. A thumb keyboard might be good enough, but handwriting recognition (text and maths) would be much better -- of course for that you need a digitiser/stylus, which drives up the price. The PDF reader also has to be top notch -- very fast, with good annotation support, etc.

Looking at the rise of Windows, it seems to me it was really Microsoft Office that turned Windows from one of many program launchers for Dos into a de facto standard. Office is probably also what saved the Mac from the fate of all the other non-Dos/Windows PCs of the 80s/90s. Offering Office on Windows 8 tablets but not the iPad (or Android) could be Microsoft's secret weapon.
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james bonds
baconman84 1st Mar
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@rwalrond
As has been pointed out, Apple can sell many fewer units and make *more* profit, because they own the hardware and the software, while Microsoft needs more units to ship or sell, because they only make money off the OS licensing.
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@rwalrond Forecast is for Apple to sell 45 million iPads this year (roughly 10% of all PCs), and many think those forecast numbers may be low. If Apple's iPad business was a stand alone company it would rank in the top third of the Fortune 500 (probably even higher now). I would say that's pretty darn successful.
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@rbgaynor I'm not doubting the Apple makes a boat load of money on what they sell. I'm simply asking the question since Windows is considered a desktop OS, if they manage to ONLY convince 10% of those 450 million PC buyers to buy a Win8 tablet, will it be considered a success? After using the Developer Preview tablet for a week, I can say that for me it will be an easy sell.
1 million windows 8 tablets in a year. You see, most of Windows sales come from IT departments mandating them. IT departments aren't going to drop money on a Windows 8 tablet because they'll be so expensive. And consumers are buying iPads.
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It's the other way
Robert Hahn 21st Sep
@baggins_z I think you are right that the world has changed a lot since the 1980's. Back then, IBM told the IT guys to buy IBM PCs, that's what people got on their desks, and that's what they subsequently bought for home. This time, the consumers are moving first, dragging the IT guys kicking and screaming. Plus, there's no IBM peddling tablets. IBM was the 600-pound gorilla. Microsoft is a gorilla, but it's only a 300-pound gorilla.
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@baggins_z I'll write it down but I don't believe it for a second. There is a reason why Microsoft is porting Windows to Non-Intel chips. This is the be able to hit the form factor and price points of these iPad like media tablets but with the added advantage of being able to connect to a corporate network and be managed by all the same tools that the IT departments manage their PC's with today. I've been using my Windows 8 Tablet since they gave it to me at BUILD, I brought it to work, plugged the docking station into the Network and it fit right into my corporate life. No need for the IT guys to jump through any hoops. I think there is a good chance Hardware makers will sell more than 1 millions Windows 8 tablets.
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RE: The big Windows 8 tablet challenge
LoverockDavidson_-24231404894599612871915491754222 21st Sep
A whole article playing up the iPad and pretty much dismissing Microsoft Windows 8 tablets. Amazing how people want Microsoft to fail. That's not going to happen. With Microsoft Windows 8 tablet they are to going rejuvenate the tablet market. No longer will you have just a flat device that is limited in what it can do. Microsoft Windows 8 tablets will bring the information to you in a way that is easy to see.
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Two words: content creation

I stayed away from the toys and am waiting for a Window 8 tablet (Intel powered so it will run all existing programs) and docking station ( to do work at the coffee shop and at the office or home - then relax and play a game or listen to some music).
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@ThinkingDude
The people here are delusional. You know Microsoft and Windows means to millions of people that have been stuck using their crappy products at work for all these years?! It means aggravation, work, and lousy user experience.

Window tablets are not going to be a hit. Just like PlayForSure, Zune, whatever, was supposed to be the next iPod killer, and Kin and Nokia are going to release an iPhone killer I have news for you: Ain't gonna happen.

A few people that love Microsoft and hate Apple will buy Win8 tablets, that we can take for granted. The average American is going to want an iPad, the name iPad equals tablet, in their mind. Just like all mp3 players are iPods and all smartphones are iPhones.

iPad already has millions of people locked into it and thousands more each day. Businesses are rolling out iPads and apps everyday (You think Delta or United are all of a sudden going to switch to Win8 tablets when they've already rolled out iPads to their pilots?) and those customers are now lost to MS. By the time MS sells their first tablet, they'll be eating even more iPad dust.

So, let's be realistic. Of course MS will sell tablets. Even Yugo sold a few cars in its day. So in about 2 years time, you'll probably see this: Apple with about 40% marketshare, Android 50% and Win8 maybe 10%, which is not a bad place to be. 10% of any market is good.

Of course, since Apple was smart enough to use their cash to buy components and guarantee them at a set price, no other tablet manufacturer will be able to touch them on price without making a subpar piece of hardware.

So Apple will, once again, have the lions share of profit of yet another market.

Hey, I'm curious. When the iPad was about to come out, and Apple stock was at $190 or so, and I suggested the good people here purchase some. How many of you put aside your hatred for Apple and used your brain and made a wise investment. AAPL is at 416 today, you would've made a nice chunk of change. It's predicted to hit $666 in a year. The advice still stands.
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Buy - I did
rhonin Updated - 21st Sep
@ShazAmerica
You miss the point - James does also.
I don't give a rats a$$ about the iPad, Honeycomb or Win8 - though I do own an iPad2 and a Transformer.
I want a tablet that I can consume AND produce.
Tried it, tried so damm many apps.
I live in a Win world and I seriously doubt they would change even if they wanted to before 2018 - long rang IT plans are mapped out 5-7 years in advance...

I have a UL, I want something more flexible.
Right now, the ONLY item I see with that potential in the next 1-2 yrs is Win8 on a tablet.

If you say I'm wrong, give me an option that has not been tried.

btw: my company did an eval of iPad2 vs Honeycomb for site use - both were great only in the sales/marketing arena
Guess what they procured for the short term..... X220 and X1
Can't effectively create on the limited/crippled software currently offered on tables.
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Proof of the this pudding ...
johnfenjackson@... 21st Sep
... will be the first ARM W8 tablet.

An idea for you James ... and all readers ... motivated by me not being a mobile or tablet user ...

Picking the best from smartphone apps and iPad apps. ... what would be a good starting set of tiles for METRO at RTM? I'd be looking to cherry pick the best of the best and even splash some money the developer's way to make sure that METRO was irresistable.

For example I'd have a chess app. which played on its won with lots of customisations ... and also linked to the online chess sites like FICS and PLAYCHESS.

Instead of the MAH JONGG tile moving game I think the full game would be beauty on a tablet.

I think LIGHTROOM would slim down well for a tablet ... pity M$ have ticked ADOBE off with Flash sad

So what are the best apps. out there that need and would suit METROfying?

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