Workers in coffee shops -- take your phone calls outside

Summary: Be a good neighbor when working in public venues. You just might save your job.

Working in public coffee shops is as popular as ever, based on what you see when you enter one during the week. Tables are covered with laptops of all types, and business is bustling. Those working in these public venues should think before you do business over the phone. You never know who is listening.

It's a matter of simple courtesy to not intrude on those working nearby by taking phone calls in the coffee shop. Folks have a tendency to talk louder than normal on such calls, and they can disturb those nearby. It's also not that uncommon for phone callers to discuss topics they don't really want others to hear.

Yesterday I worked a couple of hours in the local coffee shop, and one suit in particular made call after call at the table next to me. He was definitely what you would call a 'loud talker', and every call he made stopped everyone nearby.

I doubt the major laptop manufacturer he works for, who I will not identify, had any idea these calls were transpiring in a public venue. I am positive they didn't want the fact that one of their upcoming laptops, identified by name, is going to be significantly delayed. I am absolutely certain they would not be happy that insufficient heat dissipation was shared as the cause of the delay.

I am not located in Silicon Valley and I still heard this tidbit of confidential information. I can only imagine what secrets are shared in Silicon Valley coffee shops.

So think twice before you disturb fellow patrons in a public venue with phone calls. Do the courteous thing and take the call outside. You might keep sensitive information private on top of being a good neighbor.

Topic: Mobility

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  • I've always wondered why people are not aware?

    Like the person who stops their shopping cart in the exact middle of the isle blocking everyone else? How come some little voice in their head does not scream out "IDIOT you are in the middle of the isle!" Same thing with your coffee shop fellow. Does he think he's the only one in the world and everyone else is just garnish?

    Pagan jim
    James Quinn
    • ..."everyone else is just garnish"

      Damn you - made me spit coffee all over my laptop with that one! :)
      daftkey
    • RE: stops their shopping cart in the exact middle of the isle

      God, do I [b]hate those inconsiderate ID10Ts[/b]!!!!!

      But, I have learned that saying [i]anything[/i] just makes things worse; so I usually give them a [u]cold hard stare[/u], and not say a word. Facial expressions and body language can say for more than words, which usually causes one of these stupid ID10Ts to 'go on the defensive'. And, if one of them should spout out nonsense about your 'expressions', just feign ignorance, and throw the blame back at them.

      I often chalk it up to a case of [i]s--- for brains[/i] on their part.
      fatman65536
    • Perhaps they are well aware

      Some people can't resist being the center of attention. Cells phones just provide these rude and self-important people with another means for calling attention to themselves.
      sissy sue
  • Back in the day ...

    when I worked for a large computer manufacturer and sales organization, we were forbidden from working on confidential or sensitive projects when on an airplane or in any other public space. The idea that a competitor or customer would learn something that was not to be public information was considered very important.

    Not only that, but it is extremely rude and inconsiderate to be making loud phone calls in a public space.
    Digger_z
    • True

      Amusingly, your post made me think of this:

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      I'm not quite sure why, but if confidential or sensitive projects are being uploaded willy nilly... at least they tell people upfront what they will do. You don't get that level of civility from people on an airplane... never mind how competition is more harmful to an economy when the only economy the company cares about is its own personal quarterly balance sheet... but that's competition for ya... a nice, cozy race to the bottom, but I'm generalizing...
      HypnoToad72
  • Totally agree

    I totally agree. The other day I was at a fast-food restaurant and some guy was making call after call looking for an apartment.

    Unfortunately, "take it outside" really isn't an option (although they had tables outside and it was a nice sunny day). They aren't there to drink coffee, they're there because it is a place that provides a free table for an extended period of time and doesn't object to loud talking (which eliminates the other logical choice, the local library). A coffee shop isn't going to be in a neighborhood with little or no traffic and corresponding little or no traffic noise.

    As for secret information, yes, some will leak out. But what are the chances that hearers in a random setting will have any real ability to use the information?
    Rick_R
  • It's a Coffee Shop not a Library

    I'm more disturbed by fellow customers taking up seats for long stretches of time to conduct business on their laptops in order to use the free Wi-Fi. Talking at the coffee shop, whether to another person in the shop or somebody on the phone is perfectly fine provided they speak in a low volume - it's just a matter of manners.
    markbyrn
    • Just generally rude people.

      Manners? What the heck is that?

      A lost art as hardly anyone has them anymore.

      As for Libraries... That place of imposed silence is not what it used to be when even the staff ignore that particular rule.
      ol_pip
  • Another first world problem.

    Odd to see a personal rant on this website. I expected more to be honest.

    Perhaps he has a nearing impairment and unknowingly was ruining your day.
    mcmk
    • Not a first world problem.

      Perhaps your spelling impairment is ruining mine...
      nssdiver
      • not a spelling error

        @mcmk wrote 'nearing impairment', which would I take to mean an impairment related to proximity. I think the whole cell phone talking too loud thing is exactly a 'nearing' impairment. We're all too near them...
        cwallen19803@...
    • odd?

      in what way? have you read bott? gerwitz? rant is all they do. james is the most civil of the lot.
      oneleft
  • Suspicious ...

    ... sounds more like a plant from a competitor trying to drum up rumors ...

    Am I just paranoid?
    harvey_rabbit
  • Networking 101 at work

    If I were you James, I would get that notebook once it's released and do a thorough review, making sure to look at heat dissipation... ;-)
    lgpOnTheMove
  • AMEN and Thank you!....

    I am a loud talker and fortunately I know it so I'm very sensitive to conversations and where i'm sitting and and will always move away or go outside. Not for the conversation itself (I have nothing of secrecy or special knowledge ) it is just good old fashioned Common Sense and Courtesy 101. Something a majority of the people seem to be missing now days. And apparently a lot of parents do not teach anymore or have not for a while, so hey what do you expect of people now days.
    TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters
  • New Normal

    Back in the old days, a person making a phone call would go into another room or, if in a public place, a little booth to ensure privacy. Now, with cell phones attached at the hips, those of us who happen not to be engaged in a private conversation are expected to bring our own Cone of Silence. Somehow a person's ability to have a private conversation anywhere at anytime has been turned around into mind your own business, I'm having a private conversation here.

    The new normal is the old rude. IMHO, of course.
    cwallen19803@...
    • Agreed

      It's interesting how rules of civility were never upgraded to follow suit.

      Granted, movie theaters used to have ushers standing there at a moment's notice to help ensure civility, but when that gets too costly, civility has to go out the window...
      HypnoToad72
      • What about those who answer calls IN the theatre?

        A**holes!
        Patanjali
  • Talkers -- Unaware!

    I, too, am amazed at the lack of awareness by cell phone users in a public setting. For quite a few years, I have endured a hearing loss, constantly saying things like, "Huh," "What," etc. Finally, I gave up and got hearing aids. Now, these were calibrated to bring my hearing level up to the average person. My first experience with them was in the local coffee house. The lady sitting 15' away was paying her bills by phone and was not attempting to keep her voice down. During this process, I heard her call no less than four vendors, giving each of them the name on the account, the account number, and her address. I thought about writing this information down and afterward, giving this to her with a friendly reminder that she might want to be more careful in the future. I had second thoughts, however; what I did that and then she was financially compromised? I would be the first suspect.

    We all need to be careful about giving out information in a public area -- it might not be a well-intentioned person listening, but an opportunistic thief.
    Jerry Guinn