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Of snow, rocks, a book, and another partisan attack on IBM

By | October 17, 2009, 12:15am PDT

Summary: A collection of comments - about early snow, a ridiculously partisan attack on IBM, Sun’s TPC/C result, and a new title for an old book.

Merry Christmas!

I’ll be out of town later this week so I’m writing this on Wednesday - between staring out the window at gently falling snow and contemplating the tragic reality that if the present solar minimum leads to massive crop failures around the world next summer, Gore et al won’t be among the two billion or so facing starvation as a result of policies they advocate - policies favoring the conversion of food to SUV fuel, the doubling of fertilizer prices, and the near elimination of critical pesticides and herbicides.

Speaking up for IBM.

Here’s a bit from an article by Information Week’s senior editor Bob Evans about a justice department decision to go after IBM on anti-trust charges:

I was going to say that it’s almost incomprehensible that Justice is preparing to once again mount a vague, circumspect, and generally unsubstantiated attack on one of the most creative, innovative and valuable companies in the world, but that would be unfair. Because there’s no “almost” about it - to anyone outside of the Justice Dept.’s giant-shoe red-nose horn-honking clownish view of the world, this grandstanding effort to attack IBM and teach the company its proper place is completely and 100% incomprehensible.

If it weren’t so pathetically and potentially misguided, it would almost be funny. But it’s not -no, not by a long shot.

Perhaps I’m out of phase on this, and perhaps all of us should sleep more comfortably knowing that our Attorney General’s trust-busting warriors are out there protecting all of us from IBM’s devious schemes to dominate -yes, to monopolize -the mainframe market.

While I think that IBM regularly resorts to non market means (e.g. the courts, the press, financial markets, and politics) to go after competitors they can’t beat in the marketplace and that this often amounts to legal but dishonorable conduct, the reality is that Evans is right here. For the U.S. Justice Department to after IBM on its mainframe business is unfair, unreasonable, and utterly perverse because that monopoly is not sustained by anything IBM does - on the contrary, from the Future Systems project to PowerLinux, IBM has repeatedly and honorably invested real money and corporate goodwill in trying to break customers out of that ghetto - but by the insistence and loyalties of a customer base that’s forty years out of date and absolutely refuses to advance.

The bottom line on this is simple: if the customer demands the right to buy mainframes at dollars to the value penny, then the customer’s bosses should fire him but IBM’s executives owe it to their shareholders to take the money and run - and if Holder wants to prosecute somebody on this, he could perhaps be reminded that most data processing managers are middle aged white guys who pay taxes and vote Republican.

That Sun TPC/C thing

The single best report I’ve seen so far from the Oracle OpenWorld techfest is by Ben Rockwood. Here’s what he says about Sun’s TPC/C benchmark result:

Larry drove the point about synergies between Oracle and Sun home in 2 ways. The first was talking about the previously released Sun/Oracle ExaData v2 product (pictured above). The second was to show that Sun’s technology today, pre-acquisition, is the best platform available for Oracle even against IBM’s monster POWER 595 system which consumes 76 standard racks. Sun’s solution that beat it consumes only 9 racks, is fault tolerant, based on SPARC (Niagara), got 25% more throughput, gets 16 times better response times, and obviously uses a hell of a lot less power to boot.

I had a conversation with the PAE guys there and got a lot of great details on the configuration and how they made it work. Here are some highlights…

So the Sun system that beat out the 595 was based on T5440 (UltraSPARC T2) systems connected to the new F5100 Flash Array. In order to make all this work in a fault tolerant way COMSTAR was used and throughout the process required absolutely no modification! Apparently the biggest “problem” they ran into some some minor tweeking in the mpt and sd drivers because they weren’t designed to hand the extreme number of IOPS coming from the flash arrays. More shockingly, when they got the TPC-C number that beat IBM the CPU’s were 50% idle! And, if you can believe it, during the whole time Sun was working on this benchmark of all the flash modules involved, only a single one failed! Just one!

Ok, it’s not ROCK (which technologies by the way, are up for resurrection!) but beating IBM with a production ready, off the shelf system, providing nearly instantaneous response at 50% CPU sure rocks.

Oh, and the most interesting thing at OpenWorld for non Sun users? Oracle 11gR2 has a flash memory extension of the SGA - add:

db_flash_cache_file = /lfdata/lffile_raw
db_flash_cache_size = much more than ram (e.g. 128GB)

to your setup file, mount an F20 Flash Accelerator card in a PCIe slot, and those nasty OLTP transactions that access some enormous working set suddenly go a lot faster. This is dumb in a Solaris/ZFS environment, but brilliant everywhere else because it makes the system’s biggest bottleneck disappear for peanuts.

Blackbelt IT?

And, speaking of opportunities for failure .. things are a little slow right now, so I’m about to dive into the long delayed business of rewriting the infamous Unix Guide to Defenestration series as a single book.

Since it really has two messages and two audiences: a strategic one aimed at senior executives telling them that IT should be delivered by IT professionals but run by user management; and a tactical one describing how Unix can be combined with smart displays to provide the efficiencies of centralized processing with the business value of fully decentralized control; pulling this together is going to be a neat trick - and one that probably requires a new title.

I’m wondering about “Blackbelt IT”, but if anyone has a better suggestion (and no copyright aspirations), I’d sure be happy to hear it.

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Paul Murphy (a pseudonym) is an IT consultant specializing in Unix and related technologies.

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Originally a Math/Physics graduate who couldn't cut it in his own field, Paul Murphy (a pseudonym) became an IT consultant specializing in Unix and related technologies after a stint working for a DARPA contractor programming in Fortran and APL. Since then he's worked in both systems management and consulting for a range of employers including KPMG, the government of Alberta, and his own firm. In those roles he's "been there and done that" for just about every aspect of systems management and operation.

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murph_z Updated - 19th Oct 2009
You say:

Sun BAD because they don't know how to make money

Oracle BAD because they know how to make money

umm, why am I having trouble with this? or is this like your claim that 76 racks is better than 9? that automatic failover isn't automatic unless -as in IBM's case- it doesn't exist?

If you want to download the p595 full disclosure doc and stick carefully to what's there I'd be happy to debate you on the better cheaper faster and more reliable claims - any day, anywhere, anytime - but, please, stick to the facts. ok?

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and FYI: I understand that they thought the rock machine would run the test faster, but the bosses didn't want to commit to the tpc/C market in 6 months requirement (there's a rocks vs hard places zinger here: they can't legally intro a joint new product until the EU gets its approvals done and the deal closes; so if that takes more than 6 moths or goes wrong they break their contracts with tpc.org and a bunch of early access customers.)
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johnfenjackson@... 17th Oct 2009
First thought is RISING SUN which fits, though loosely, on many fronts ... down to the name of Larry Ellison's yacht I vaguely recall.

Copyright waived.

Rights to make more suggestions reserved.

Donations gratefully received happy
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murph_z 18th Oct 2009
ALthough there's much to bs said for naming a book on IT practice after a line in a song about the house of the rising sun... happy
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Some thoughts
Roger Ramjet Updated - 17th Oct 2009
1. Ethanol from corn is a very stupid idea - foisted onto the American public via ADM lobbyists. I wonder if the Michigan sugar beet farmers could do a better job (but with subsidies/tariffs doubling the cost of imported sugar, I doubt they have the interest).

2. At first glance one would say that IBM DID have a monopoly on Mainframes. They produce 90%+ of them and still sell them for millions (even though they are basically a Power server - albeit with a Power chip that has additional mainframe-specific opcodes). There is evidence of IBM pressuring competitors - and they just bought their biggest competitor (to shut up their lawsuit). IBM should be prosecuted - but idiots should be taught a lesson. Doctor, it hurts when I buy a mainframe - then don't do it!

3. Sun always hated the dreaded TPC benchmark - until Niagra of course! Now that Sun can claim lower price and higher performance - they may have a future! Now if we can just tame the Sun bigots from overselling and deriding the competition . . .

4. My own book is ready to be published - and will be in the next week. I hope my first effort will pay off . . . (I'm using Amazon's CreateSpace.com stuff . . .).
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murph_z Updated - 18th Oct 2009
1 - Gore, not ADM.

2 - Yes, IBM does have a monopoly on zOS et al, but there's no illegality to either how that came about or how they keep it.

3 - Sun still hates the tpc/C; this was an initiated Oracle stunt. The result illustrated exactly what's wrong with it: it's too simple, and too easily clustered.

However... IBM uses it so Sun has just pointed the finger back at them, and my guess is that IBM is about to announce their shock at discovering that, gee, gosh, ya know, it's too simple and too easily clustered.



4 - Got a book coming out? Tell us about it - If you write something appropriate I'll talk to Mr. Editor Sir about getting you a slot for it or give you one of mine.
Paul,

Ignorance of the case is not a good basis to form a legal opinion. The issue of the lawsuit is based on a company(and several others) called T3, based in Tampa, that was issued licenses by IBM to run z/os on an x-series, for a product called FLEX/ES. While FLEX/ES lacked the hardware connectivity that the mainline mainframe machines have...they were quite adequate for some of the smallest of mainframe shops. When IBM finished developing their new BC(z9/BC and z10/BC) line of mainframes(mainframes for as little as 5 figures... for the idiots who think all mainframes are 7 or 8 figures), they decided to shutdown the FLEX/ES program down and refused to license z/os on the smaller boxes. Effectively forcing T3 out of business. IMO, this was a big mistake...The BC units are overpowerful compared to the x-series and by extension overexpensive for the smallest of mainframe shops... and the ISV's aren't doing any discounting of licensing on a BC, while being dirt cheap on a x-series box.

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Ya, I know
murph_z 18th Oct 2009
and also who got paid out of this deal.

You may not remember this but:

1 - the first OS/370 compatible hw boards for the PC/AT (!) used MC68000 processors and were faster than the baby mainframes of the time on a CPU basis (but much slower on I/O, of course). T3 is nothing new, this has been on going since the 80s and I don't think says anything negative about IBM's behavior (but lots about the behaviour of the opportunists tring to leverage IBM technlogies to pry cash out the IBM customer base with these things).

2 - the first Linux port for the 390 was done on a "mainframe on a board" - that's the port that didn't use people with AIX maintenance experience, tools, and software at hand - and the one IBM's senior people hated because they didn't approve of the guy who did it.

Conceivably, an actual prosecution on this would bring this to the fore.. with side effects on the SCO mess, thusproving that even paid for partisan prosecutions can have positive effects.
Well, Murphy. If you really should throw something at IBM why don't you go after that Moffat guy. At least he deserves it :)=

As for the whole TPC-C benchmark it just proves what I and others have been saying the whole time. It's simply to expensive to run your Databases on T5440's.

The license cost simply is through the ceiling.

Based upon the following submissions:
http://www.tpc.org/results/individual_results/Sun/Sun_T5440_TPC-C_Cluster_ES_101109.pdf
http://www.tpc.org/results/individual_results/IBM/IBM_595_20080610_ES.pdf

Server price:
The price of the power 595 is 5.833.031 USD with 3 years of support.
The price of the 12xT5440 are 2.113.991 USD with 3 years of support.

So the T5440 are a good deal cheaper as expected. But we need software to run on the benchmark.
Now the price of the Oracle software is 7.954.800 USD with 3 years of support
Now the price of the DB2 software is 1.277.477 USD with 3 years of support.

So for the physical servers and the software the cost is.

Oracle price Servers + Server Software is 10.068.791 USD
power 595 price Server + Server Software is 7.110.508 USD

What you can see is that the Oracle software costs more than the Power 595 + IBM software. And this is the whole reason why Oracle is pushing Niagara, based clusters. To sell more software.
And if you look closer at the Oracle prices then you will notice that you only get to lease the software for 3 years. After that you have to buy yet another lease. And the software support is Metalink (web only).

If you were to buy the software, with normal Oracle support the price would be around 26MUSD - Discounts, just for the Software licenses, so with the same discount on Oracle as on the power 595 and IBM deal you would end up with 14MUSD versus 7MUSD for the T5440 versus the power 595.

So basically the choice is between 12 entry level machines in a preconfigured cluster that you are only allowed to run Oracle on, costing twice that of a general purpose highend machine.

Now you know why Larry got himself his new toy called SUN, it is cause he can make lots of License bucks on it.

// Jesper


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And that IBM gave itself about twice the discount customers get (or Sun/Oracle gave themselves)?

And that Sun's system was redundant - IBM's was not?

That license argument is a winner, but the bottom line is that the Sun approach was faster, better, cheaper and by considerable margins.

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As for Mr. Moffat.. I'm defending, not attacking, your company here. Sometimes even IBM can get a bad rap and this particular attack just seems both highly partisan and stupid to me.
umm, you do know that $2.34 is less than $2.81?

Yes, but I also know that if you buy one of those 1$ mobile phone offers, then you end up paying a whole lot more than just buying a cell phone and finding the right network operator.

"That license argument is a winner, but the bottom line is that the Sun approach was faster"

Yes, Sir it sure was. But kind of embarrassingly that it took 384 cores and 3072 threads to do it. Far from the 1 rack and two digit of tpm-c's, that the Oracle commercials hinted at.

The only thing that really helped Larry here was going to SSD's, that is what enabled him to publish a cheaper $/TPCC.
But his timing was good. Cause we'll most likely see Tukwila based Superdome and POWER7 based 595 score beating this score quite easily in the very near future.

"better, "

Nahh.. 12 entry level machines, where you can't even replace a PCI adapter without shutting the machine down ?
Cache fusion was turned off in the benchmark, so I guess quick fail over times were out of the question also. (Yes getting a shared everything cluster database to scale isn't easy)
And it's not like this setup will protect you from power failures or error "40 cm"'s, or someone flicking the switch on the rack or...

And btw U know that on a Exadata you can't really install any other software right ? But I guess that oracle will come with another box that just runs BEA, and one that runs Siebel and one that runs .......... Damn that's good thinking Larry, now you can really milk that cashcow.


cheaper and by considerable margins."
Sure is in a 'buy our 1$ mobile phone' kind of way.
Oracle leases you the software in the benchmark for 3 years, This is within TPC-C rules, but honestly Murphy that is what in danish is called 'bondefangeri', which means something like 'tricking the farmer'.

// Jesper

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murph_z Updated - 19th Oct 2009
You say:

Sun BAD because they don't know how to make money

Oracle BAD because they know how to make money

umm, why am I having trouble with this? or is this like your claim that 76 racks is better than 9? that automatic failover isn't automatic unless -as in IBM's case- it doesn't exist?

If you want to download the p595 full disclosure doc and stick carefully to what's there I'd be happy to debate you on the better cheaper faster and more reliable claims - any day, anywhere, anytime - but, please, stick to the facts. ok?

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and FYI: I understand that they thought the rock machine would run the test faster, but the bosses didn't want to commit to the tpc/C market in 6 months requirement (there's a rocks vs hard places zinger here: they can't legally intro a joint new product until the EU gets its approvals done and the deal closes; so if that takes more than 6 moths or goes wrong they break their contracts with tpc.org and a bunch of early access customers.)

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