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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother

By | April 24, 2011, 5:15pm PDT

Summary: It looks more and more like all mobile systems collect location data about you. This, in turn, has the potential both for great rewards and great abuse.

In some ways, all the uproar about Apple saving location data on its iOS device users is old news. Guess what? Big Brother, or Big Google, also collects geo-location information from its mobile, Android-powered devices. It’s like anything else in computing: geo-location can provide great services and resources, but it can also be abused.

Take, for example, a woman who was recently robbed in Texas. Using her stolen iPhone, police officers were able to quickly find not only her stolen phone, but her wedding ring as well. Yea!

On the other hand, say another woman is in an abusive relationship and goes to a friend’s house or to a “safe-house” shelter. Her husband tracks her down using her smartphone and literally drags her back “home.”

That last case isn’t fiction. My friend Angela, a Certified Information Privacy Professional (CIPP) tells me, “I teach tech-safety courses for domestic-violence survivors. This scenario has a probability of 1. In the two years I’ve been teaching, we’ve had multiple instances of abusers using hidden GPS-Bluetooth phone combinations to track vehicles, which sort of totally sucks when the vehicle is now parked at a ‘secret’ women’s shelter.”

“Worse, the use of phone ‘family’ plans and fancy smartphones are among the most difficult issues we face in the teaching process,” Angela said. “Most of the women we see are in desperate financial straits; often there’s no money for any sort of mobile plan (and we’ll leave aside the whole getting-an-account-set-up-under-those-circumstances thing), let alone for a decent phone. Realistically, they know they have to dump the gadget and the plan and so forth, but practically? With so much else happening? Argh.”

How about wanting the local cops to know where you’ve been for the last two weeks? Police already have the technology to grab GPS location data from smartphones including latitude, longitude, altitude and time data. They don’t need sophisticated forensics equipment. In Michigan, cops can do it in a roadside traffic stop in a few minutes.

The cops or the jealous ex don’t even need to get their hands on your smartphone or tablet. Both Apple and Google regularly pull down your location data. Apple, it seems, does it twice a day, while Google updates your location several times an hour.

Why do they need continual access to this information? Beats me. Advertising is what comes first to mind, but do they really need to know where I am around the clock to make sure I get local ads? It strikes me as overkill.

And here’s the part that really worries me. What stops someone from snatching that location data out of the air over the Wi-Fi or 3G/4G network? Do we want a government, say Syria, using this information to track down protesters seen at a recent demonstration? Might Syria’s dictatorship be doing just that with its recent pinpoint kidnapping of activists?

I know there are people who don’t consider it a big deal that Big Companies potentially knows their every move.. I do. There’s a huge difference between information that you opt to give a company when you buy their product or click on a Web ad, and information that flows to them whenever your device is turned on.

Sure, you can opt out by refusing to grant any geo-location app permission to run, but that’s not a viable answer. That’s throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

The real answer, the better answer, is for Apple and Google to keep only a brief log of where you’ve been, and to stop transmitting this data to the home office. The applications don’t need this comprehensive information; the companies don’t need it, even if they want it; and the potential harm that can result from using the information far outweighs the benefits. Do the right thing, Apple and Google: Get out of the Big Brother business.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it.

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
samofdetroit Updated - 24th Apr 2011
Agree that the only solution is to have Apple, Google, Microsoft, or other software providers for smart phones collect much, much less geo-location data and much less frequently. However, they won't do that unless forced by the government or some legal action, as they view the data they collect as a competitive advantage in a lucrative online advertising market.
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
MobileSpoon 25th Apr 2011
@samofdetroit
Maybe the government is part of it!?

Number 6: Where am I?
Number 2: In the Village.
Number 6: What do you want?
Number 2: We want information.
Number 6: Whose side are you on?
Number 2: That would be telling. We want information... information... information.
Number 6: You won't get it.
Number 2: By hook or by crook, we will.
Number 6: Who are you?
Number 2: The new Number 2.
Number 6: Who is Number 1?
Number 2: You are Number 6.
Number 6: I am not a number, I am a free man

A small tribute to the "The Prisoner",
The classic TV series from the 60's...
You know: the one with the funny little car, gigantic balloon and no end?

http://www.mobilespoon.net/2011/04/what-do-you-want-want-information.html
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@MobileSpoon

This was my very 1st thought - The government is definitely behind it
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
nickitnite Updated - 25th Apr 2011
@MobileSpoon

HaHaHaHa I miss that show used to watch it an TV land....
If I had the choice to turn of geosinc I would but unless I put it in Airplane mode they can cach where I've been. this however is nothing new since I've had a cell phone they have had the ability to track that phone just now the technology is easily assessable to the masses (and by masses I me Advertisers).
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1984...the Novel
Bradish@... 25th Apr 2011
@MobileSpoon Read 1984 again. Perhaps the novel should have been titled 2010. Orson Wells was magnificent in predicting the future...only his time line was out a bit...I really encourage all to read it.
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
DeusXMachina 26th Apr 2011
@MobileSpoon
You might want to read it again, too. At least the cover.
Orson wells may have been renowned for his acting, as well as his eating, but predicting the future? Not so much.
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@MobileSpoon How soon everyone forgets. The US government mandated GPS in cell phones just after 9/11. The excuse was that they would have been able to find the survivors easier if they could pinpoint their location on the GPS. Americans were afraid at the time and who could blame them? Frightened people can easily be talked into giving up freedoms. Now they have a tracking device in the pockets of almost everyone in America. Back then, only business people had BlackBerries. The rest had "dumb" phones. I saw this coming ten years ago.
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
Rob.sharp@... 25th Apr 2011
@samofdetroit

Ummm...I didn't see anything about MS WP-7 listed here so let's not include them in this. This could be a golden opportunity for MS to impale Google and Apple with a privacy driven add. This whole thing is an outrage anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't care about privacy and probably hasn't studied much history because power like this can be abused and used as a way to "control" who, how and what we interact with based off our tendencies. Google and Apple I don't support and because of this they won't see a penny from me. Hello Bing and Hello WP7.
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
DeusXMachina 25th Apr 2011
@rob.sharp

"This whole thing is an outrage anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't care about privacy and probably hasn't studied much history because power like this can be abused and used as a way to "control" who, how and what we interact with based off our tendencies.

Or actually understands the issues and knows the truth, not the bogus misinformation spoon-fed to them by a sensationalist, equally uninformed tech press.
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
kevlar700 25th Apr 2011
@rob.sharp@...
WP7, you must be naive, microsoft have been secretly! sending data back from all their operating systems for decades, you think WP7 will be different. The only difference is that now it has a greater effect on our lives. Atleast with android it's open source so it is difficult to hide things, search engine providers obviously have great interest in this info, which includes microsoft and google. Microsoft cover themselves with deviously misleading and vague statements all the time.

I quote from microsoft (source="http://wmpoweruser.com/unlike-apple-microsoft-does-not-track-wp7-users/")

"Asking Microsoft the same question about Windows Phone 7, the company confirmed the only locational data stored on your Windows Phone 7 device is your last known location, for use with the Find My Phone feature."

If it's not stored but kept in memory and sent back every so often their statement is not wrong. If they send back the last known location twice a second it is not wrong. They have lied completely in the past, so the statement may not even be correct.
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YetAnotherBob 25th Apr 2011
@rob.sharp@... It's in WP7, count on it. Many of the services of smartphones, or even regular cell phones, as SJVN notes require it. Microsoft, or the cell carriers WILL monitize the information. They already do.
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john_gillespie@... 25th Apr 2011
If you had read the articles you would have realized that Apple is not gathering and storing the data, it is being done by your iPhone and then synced with a file on you desktop computer when you 'sync'. You could adjust your settings to encrypt the data in both locations or you could 'jail break' your iPhone and delete the file. Also, do allow apps that ask to store your location if that is not advantageous to you. That is if you took the time to do the research and were able to understand what you read.
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nickitnite 25th Apr 2011
@rob.sharp@...
Ummm.... Microsoft tracks and caches your stuff to dude.... If you got a cell phone your able to be tracked but the matter is cacheing and keeping a long list of your locations to get your trends and stuff... but it's not just Cell phones it's Facebook.com and Myspace.com Google.com bing.com you think MS has the darn passport thing for your convenience?
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
Masari.Jones 25th Apr 2011
@samofdetroit

"...old news." Really? You and and people like you are why companies continue to violate our privacy more and more each year. Just because Google is doing it as well doesn't make it OK. Americans have become so lazy and complacent we've allowed our freedoms to slowly be stripped a little at a time.

It's not OK for any company to track my location without my explicit consent. It should not be an opt out option but rather an opt in option.
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
DeusXMachina 25th Apr 2011
@Masari.Jones

Apple does not track your location, so what is your point?
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Others not like iOS
haugens 25th Apr 2011
@Masari.Jones
While Android and other phones may have your CURRENT location sent to them in order to provide you with proper services, that data is not stored outside their servers if it is stored at all.
Should you become a "person of interest" in an investigation, that gives the government authorities the ability to track your location from the time they get a warrant forward. It does not give them a full accounting of where you have been since July 2010.

BIG DIFFERENCE!!
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
hiraghm@... 26th Apr 2011
@Masari.Jones - I don't care about companies violating my privacy. If they want to know the color of my last bowel movement, good for them. All companies want is *money*. They use that information as a way to offer me things I might take in exchange for money.

I'm concerned about the government violating my privacy. If Big Brother wants to know the color of my last bowel movement, he can stick his face in it.
People who go into government are not as interested in money as they are interested in power over other people. With power over other people, they will get money, and they can use their power and other people's money to build the demented utopia they know we all need but are too incompetent to build for ourselves without their megalomaniacal guidance.
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non-biased 29th Apr 2011
@Masari.Jones Carriers have been REQUIRED to do this for some time now by law with no opt in and absolutely no way to opt out, are you going to stop using any kind of cell phone what so ever?
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
padraicley 25th Apr 2011
@samofdetroit
For Google, it is a benefit for Google or any map company to collect data where the road is. We often complain how GPS is so outdated for years. Google GPS / Map has us the drivers update the map as we drive. This is a good thing to me. As long as the data is anonymous... Garmin lose out big time if they don't do it.
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Say it ain't so...
Brett.Blatchley@... 25th Apr 2011
I think that even if these groups say they'll turn this "off" we must assume that it won't really happen. I'm ***FAR*** less concerned about companies seeing this data than the government.

These days, it takes *very little* to become an "enemy of the state," and I'm quite certain that this information will be used against free citizens soon if it's not already.

I must say that this realization has put-me off of buying any smartphone...
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@samofdetroit

The difference is that Apple and Microsoft make plenty of money selling hardware and/or software. Google makes all their money selling advertising and needs to know as much as possible about its users to better target that advertising. Google also has a bigger database to acquire information. It started by targeting searches to build user profiles and every app and service it has added grows that profile. Not to mention the number of web sites we visit that have Google scripts, like Google-analytics, integrated.

I see little reason to worry about Apple and Microsoft for now, and every reason to be terrified by Google.
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actually, they didn't...
Peter Perry 24th Apr 2011
If you read the report from the guys that found the data they noted that this was triangulation data and none of the Android phones were doing this! Going further, Android location services can be shut off!

Oh and you know what else came out of this? It was an attempt by Apple to cheat the system! Yeah, apparently they felt that triangulation was a good alternative to GPS because it saved battery life (Typical, they did the same type of thing with Multitasking and the 800 MHz clock speed on the new iPads).

So, for all Steve's claims that they did things right it doesn't appear like that is the case and Google's no compromise approach to feature implementation is looking better and better with every one of these "features" that Apple is caught cheating on!
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@Peter Perry

I am pretty sure the A5 chip has a clock rate of 1ghz....
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
Peter Perry 25th Apr 2011
@Knix96 The A5 Chip is a 1 GHz CPU from the factory... According to testers Apple is acaling it back to 800 MHz to save battery life.

There's nothing wrong with this but it clearly states that when it comes to battery life there is no free ride!
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@Knix96 The A5 chip will almost certainly run at 1GHz, just like any other ARM Cortex A9 in 45nm or lower Leff. In fact, the nVidia Tegras pretty much all run at 1.5GHz, if you don't mind using more than twice the battery power (the CPU component, of course).

But Apple is intentionally underclocking to extend battery life, just as they did with the A4 on the iPhone 4. You ought to see a 2.5x CPU improvement with the iPad 2 vs. IPad 1, based on A9 vs, A8, but its more like 2x. Slower clocks and probably Apple's typical power management chops (draconic? Maybe, but they have a more power hungry display than just about anyone, same CPU, same battery, and yet, the iPad is the one left standing against a?ll Android tablets, so far) leaves room for a heavier GPU without affecting typical bettery life.
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@Peter Perry Nice try fandroid.
MacCanuck 25th Apr 2011
All the trumped up excuses and reasons in the world will not absolve your precious Google (Android) from also being "guilty" of retrieving personal data... and Google receives it multiple times per hour!

Google... "Do know evil"... that's for sure.
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Peter Perry Updated - 25th Apr 2011
@MacCanuck No, they don't! If you shut off location services they don't send anything! You see, you have to opt in for that whereas this "feature" from Apple has no option.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/04/25/iphone.tracking.wired

apparently Apple does send the data back as they admitted themselves!
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
DeusXMachina Updated - 25th Apr 2011
@Peter Perry

And iOS doesn't send the data file EVER, so what is your point, other than you are a troll who does not know what he is talking about?
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RE: Big Apple, Big Google, Big Brother
tkejlboom 25th Apr 2011
@MacCanuck

The individual apps even tell you if they're going to use it, and you're not required to use any of the apps that track.

SJVN is taking it a bit far. Borders has a club card, Sam's Club has a club card. They see where I buy at their stores, they see what I buy at their stores, and they can keep that info as long as they like. They probably take no significant effort to protect that data, and they probably have thought of several ways they can use it to trend for purchasing decisions are marketing. This isn't particularly new, deal with it.

Also, Google didn't tell some sicko where his abused wife was. These lunatics are setting up GPS locators. They don't have to do it with a phone. My suggestion is to setup phone exchanges. Perhaps something can be arranged with the carriers to seed the program. Wipe the phones, swap the SIMs and send it across the country.
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Peter Perry 25th Apr 2011
@DeusXMachina I posted a link to the wired article where Apple said they do send the file several times to help with their location services but if your blinders are too hard to see through then maybe you should take them off!
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DeusXMachina 25th Apr 2011
@Peter Perry
Yes, your link merely serves to confirm the fact that you don't understand enough about the field to understand what you are reading.

The Wired article simply does not say that.

"Every 12 hours, an iOS device's stored geodata gets anonymized with a random string of numbers, and it gets transmitted to Apple in a batch."

Apparently you are unable to parse that statement, as it does NOT mean what you seem to think it does.
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@Peter Perry -
I checked my backups yesterday (4 ios devices). I actually fired up SQLite and queried the databases. I was only able to retrieve location data for one (an old 3GS) of those devices. It only had one cell location record. It had over 4000 WIFI locations. For my two iPads (3G), they had no recorded data. For my iphone4 the database was encrypted.

As an educational tidbit, Apple offers developers numerous levels of precision on core location services. So if you do not need high precision, you don't have to fire up the GPS (which is a high power operation). So what apple is probably doing is caching lookups for wifi locations that one has encountered, so it can speed up location resolutions quickly. In the case where you do need more accuracy, one can receive initial low resolution updates quickly once the GPS can lock in one will get better data.

So Apple is not cheating, it is performing a smart optimization which is doing things right.

Additionally, with iOS one can disable location services in total and at the application level.

I would say that apple has unintentionally left the database in question in unencrypted format. I am sure that they will fix it in the next release.
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DeusXMachina 25th Apr 2011
@catshow

FACTS! NO!! The Horror.
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tkejlboom 25th Apr 2011
@catshow

Uh, no. Static Underclocking is cheating. If the CPU clocks down dynamically but can achieve 1Ghz, that's fine. Simarly, my car is rated at 160hp, because that's the output. It doesn't matter that the engine could output 210hp with a better transmission unless I actually put in that transmission. Advertising a spec that you can not achieve under normal operation is underhanded.
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Peter Perry 25th Apr 2011
@catshow Take it up with the guys who found the file... They proved it is there and others launched the OS X App and read the file right on their machine after synching it with iTunes...

If you cannot find the file, it has nothing to do with me but maybe you should go research how they found it and others verified it existed.

Hell, one of the people that exposed said, "iOS is leaking everywhere!" Do we really need to repeat the problems Windows had because people refuse to believe the issues are there!
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xnederlandx 25th Apr 2011
@catshow
But how do you "encrypt" such a database (without prompting the user for a password every time)?
Otherwise it would seem the encryption is pointless...
(Just like any encryption browsers do when you save a password for a website without a master password)
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catshow Updated - 25th Apr 2011
@Peter Perry Since I could not respond to your idiot response above. I will add another to this one. I used the program that they wrote to find the database files. I found the files, two were empty, one encrypted, and the other with wifi information only. You are obviously a fandroid troll, no what facts are presented will convince you that apple is not screwing you over some how.
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@Peter Perry
It doesn't really matter, whether location services is turned off or on, because every time you make a phone call, your location is logged by the phone company if you are using a phone that is traceable to you. Law enforcement can get this information after following the proper legal procedures. For now at least, the only way to make an anonymous phone call, is to buy a TracFone or similar device with cash. If enough people evade government's big brother this way, then they will make it illegal to buy a phone without proper identification and force merchants to keep this information in case law enforcement needs it. Laws against the anonymous purchase of phones have already been passed in some countries.
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I think concerns about corporations and or governments tracking our every move are a little late. Anyone living in a modern culture in 2011 who allows a smart phone or iPad app to use one's location, as so many of them ask to do now, should expect that they mean it.
And anyone who's worried about that probably shouldn't use a cell phone, or get on a home internet connection, or use facebook, or for that matter get out of bed. This is our modern reality. Get over it.
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@Linux Geek Ah, me? SJVN reciting MS FUD!? You do know who I am right? This has nothing to do with MS--this has to do with big companies taking information that should be private merely because they can.

Steven
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The day SJVN recites anything Microsoft says
Michael Alan Goff 25th Apr 2011
as fact is the day I eat my hat.

You do realize this is SJVN, the guy who would go down to Redmond and tear apart Microsoft brick by brick if you asked him to, right?
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ItsTheBottomLine 25th Apr 2011
@Linux Geek - Still lost I see. You know I'm beginning to think you are MS FUD.... Go play on the highway, when you get off work from McDonalds.
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@bbuc@... I could not agree with you more. Technological advance is bound to bring about this sort of thing. I think the country is becoming increasingly paranoid due to America's current state of affairs in all areas. This is real life. Not only 'Get over it', but 'Get used to it'. Personally, I could not care less who knows where I am.
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kevlar700 25th Apr 2011
@bbuc@...
"Anyone living in a modern culture in 2011 who allows a smart phone or iPad app to use one's location, as so many of them ask to do now,"

They don't ask and did you even read the article, some people will be physically abused and maybe killed because of this, you weak pathetic excuse of a person and for what great reason.
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non-biased 29th Apr 2011
@kevlar700 I personally find the whole inclusion of the physical abused in the article as sensationalist. Is it true that an abusive partner could find somebody in a shelter using technology such as find my iPhone, of course it's true. Anybody in that situation should realize they need to shut the phone off long before they get anywhere they would be hiding. Of course they don't have to have an iPhone, or any smartphone for that matter, to be tracked which is why I have issue with that portion of the article.
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johnsocal 24th Apr 2011
There is an inherant tyranny within many of the intellectual technologies we use today, and the funny thing is that most people don't care. Many would gladly (and sadly) sell off their personal data or allow themselves to be tracked for mere discounts to their favorite stores or for the ability to get free entertainment.
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@johnsocal, just for the sake of the conversation, if "most people don't care," and forgo their personal data for whatever benefit they derive from a given technology, why is it tyranny?
And further, if significant downsides are perceived from allowing access to personal data, I would expect that access to quickly dry up.
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@johnsocal
It actually comes down to that most people do not even know they are being constantly tracked. The 911 law from the 1990s mandates that every cell phone has the ability to be tracked for 911 service - thus by just having a cell phone every person IS tracked - and it CANNOT be turned off at all. Only way it is not tracked is when the phone is powered off.
The tryanny comes into play when under the guise of "public safety" when they start (already started?) aggrating all the cell phone data of everyone into a database and then repurpose it for other than stated reasons. Unless a law exists stating they cannot collect it then any government / priate firm CAN.
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mswift@... 25th Apr 2011
@TAPhilo
make that battery removed - if you can remove the battery from your phone. Many phones respond to a GPS search when off, otherwise it would not accomplish what the government wants
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