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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Five reasons to stay off Google+ for now

By | August 5, 2011, 9:04am PDT

Summary: I like Google+ a lot. But, it’s having major teething problems. Unless you’re ready to deal with those, I’d avoid this social network for now.

I think Google+ may just turn out to be the best social network of them all. I also think though that Google+ has a lot of headaches currently and unless you’re ready to deal with them you should stay off Google+ for now.

Here’s my short list of Google+ problems. If you can’t live with any of these: Don’t try to get on Google+ yet. Most of these will be fixed. Keep in mind that some of the potential policy problems may not be changing anytime soon… if ever.

1) Google+ is Beta Software

The very first thing you need to keep in mind with Google+ is that it’s beta. When I say ‘beta,’ I mean it’s as dependable as a car with a serious engine problem. It may get you to work on time… or it may leave you by the side of the Internet highway wondering why there’s smoke coming out of the engine. In short, you can’t depend on Google+ yet. While I haven’t had it outright fail on me, I have people come and go out of my Google+ Circles and posts disappear for hours at a time.

At present, Google+ just isn’t very dependable. This will get better, but if you come in expecting it to run smoothly right now, you’ve come to the wrong network.

2) No, I mean Google+ really is Beta Software

Since its beginning, Google has released beta software. Often, even in beta, these programs, like Gmail, were quite good and works in the same way from one day to another. That’s not the case with Google+.

Even when Google+ works perfectly, it’s always changing. What worked one day may work another day in an entirely different manner. Most of these changes are for the better, but you can’t just go on Google+ one day and expect it to work the same way it did yesterday.

This is especially troublesome for people who are using Google+ Web browser extensions. There are a lot of them out there, and some are quite good. I haven’t even tried to list some of the better ones though never mind review them. That’s because one that will work one day won’t work the next. Or, Google+ may adopt its functionality into the network itself leaving you with a tool you don’t need anymore.

Eventually, thing will settle down with Google+ interface and functionality, but we’re still a long way from that happening.

3) Real Names

How comfortable are you with having your real name, or the name you commonly go by online anyway, being permanently  attached to your Google Plus account? If you value you anonymity; if you like keeping a firewall between your real identity and the one you use online, Google+ is probably not going to be for you.

Violet Blue has written about this real names problem at length. While Google has made some changes in how they’re managing Google+ names, they’re still leaning towards having users use their real name, or at least the name they’re mostly commonly know by on the net. This troubles a lot of people.

I don’t think this problem is going to go away. That said, it’s even worse on other social networks such as Facebook. There, Facebook’s former marketing director Randi Zuckerberg announced just before she left that “I think anonymity on the Internet has to go away.

If you really value keeping your privacy and you want to be on a social network, I don’t think any of the larger social networks will prove to be a welcome home. Instead, you should be looking for federated social networks. These networks, such as Disapora, Hubbub, and StatusNet, are still coming together. What they have in common is that they put, to one degree or the other, the servers, the software, and users identities into the hands of the users themselves. If you value privacy, it’s these networks, not the Facebooks of the world that you should be turning to.

4) Account instability

Google has been kicking people off Google+ for not using their real names, for violating the Google terms of service, or-for all we can tell–looking funny. Or, as Google put it when they explained why Blake Ross, a Facebook executive, had been kicked off, it was the fault of “an account deletion bot.”

While I haven’t had this problem, I’ve heard enough stories from friends that I can tell those account deletion bots are seriously misbehaving. While you can get your account back, with all its data intact, most people don’t need this pain in the neck.

5) Google+ Mismanagement

Underlying a lot of these troubles is that Google simply has not put enough thought into its policies. They also don’t have anything like enough real people managing the system. Even as Google relies on bots to take care of day-to-day management, Advertising robots, fake users, and all the other junk you find on other social networks are showing up.

Before Google+ is ready for hundreds of millions of user, or even the 25-million it already has, Google must establish the social network’s rules of the road. The company must also put in the management and support it needs to make sure everyone understands the rules gets along reasonably well.

This problem isn’t too surprising. Google+ is growing faster than any other social network to date and Google didn’t expect it to grow so fast. But, just because there are good reasons for Google to having these troubles doesn’t mean that the problems don’t exist.

Despite all that, I love Google+. But, if you can’t live with everything I just listed, don’t raise your blood-pressure by joining it. You’ll just get ticked off and what’s the point of giving yourself misery? Give it time though and eventually it will mature to the point where I think almost everyone will love it. But today? Today is not that day.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it.

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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RE: Five reasons to stay off Google for now
emilylucidica 1st Nov
I definately feel that Google+ has had some teething problems, which probably explains why so many people haven't bothered getting an account. I do think it has some really great features, they just need a little tweaking and development before it becomes a really great social networking site. Something else that is slightly worrying and doesn't promise too much for Google+ is that we found some stats showing that most Google managers don't have or use a Google+ account - http://www.lucidica.com/blog/cto/management-of-google-dont-seem-to-love-google/
Although, I hope that soon this will change!
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People tend to do things they wouldn't otherwise do when...
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate! 5th Aug
...they think they are anonymous.
Have you ever noticed that?
I think the key here is that everyone, myself included, needs to be held accountable for their behavior.

It's no different when you are out in public. Your car has a license plate. You conduct yourself accordingly.

Do something inappropriate or against social norms, or, criminal, then you will suffer the repercussions for doing so.

So, keep your powder dry, be good, do no evil, don't have fun at other people's expense and you'll do fine with Google+.

Peace. Out.
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RE: Five reasons to stay off Google for now
Aerowind Updated - 5th Aug
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate! Who's the real person? The guy smiling and telling you how much he loved your speech, or the guy in the car telling his wife you're a blowhard? The internet makes people tell their honest feelings. Annonymous people will say the hard things because they don't have to worry about fitting into the crowd. People shouldn't be ostracized for their opinions, but it happens way often than it should.
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And to that I say nobody is forced to share their honest feelings
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate! 5th Aug
@Aerowind

Don't discuss (in public or on the Internet) what you want kept private--it's that simple.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz But what about stuff you want to discuss but can't, because people will ridicule you? You underestimate what doesn't get done because people are afraid to put their ideas out there.
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate!: "Don't discuss (in public or on the Internet) what you want kept private"

Good advice. Now, let's get Google and Facebook and everyone else to start owning up and clearly telling us when their platform is truly private and when it's just "kinda private" to accommodate their own purposes.
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I just paid $22.87 for an iPad2-64GB and my girlfriend loves her Panasonic Lumix GF 1 Camera that we got for $38.76 there arriving tomorrow by UPS. I will never pay such expensive retail prices in stores again. Especially when I also sold a 40 inch LED TV to my boss for $675 which only cost me $62.81 to buy. Here is the website we use to get it all from, BidsOut.com
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And hey, look! Chris Haney is obviously behaving much better by using his name!

LOL!

*spam reported*
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate!

Nice misdirection, but it's not the issue.

Google and other companies in the social networking sphere present themselves as ostensibly secure and private, but are many times sharing your information or using it in ways that expose a user's activities unexpectedly. If Google or Facebook doesn't want to offer users a truly secure and private platform to connect, then they should be up-front about that and spell it all out instead of hiding it in convoluted language in a multi-page, legalese-laden terms of service. The average user is going to assume what they do on a social network is private, and given how evasive and obfuscating some companies are about what they do with user data (and that includes Google) I really can't blame users for that assumption.
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Good posting..
keyness 8th Aug
@Andre Richards
for thanks..
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RE: Five reasons to stay off Google for now
jorjitop Updated - 6th Aug
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate!
Such a naive view. The more you expose yourself on the internet, the more the bad guys, and there are lots of them, will try to take advantage of you.

But, the worst risks are Google and Facebook themselves. Techies seems to have complete faith in Google and everything they do. But, Google and Facebook could not exist without spying on their users, building profiles, and targeting advertising.

Google is far ahead of Facebook in terms of profiling billions of people, and they are far more underhanded about it. They started by profiling searches, and now use every app and service to build their profiles. For the most part, what goes on Facebook is what you put on Facebook.

So, since these are companies, run by people, it is just a matter of time until these profiles are leaked or sold for fun or profit. Good luck to all you fun lovers then.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate!

"People tend to do things they wouldn't otherwise do when...
...they think they are anonymous.
Have you ever noticed that?"

No.

"Your car has a license plate."

My license plate doesn't have my name written all over it. Ever noticed that?

"You conduct yourself accordingly."

I've been to a few cities where conduct was crazy, even borderline dangerous - and the license plate number didn't make any difference at all. That speeder the police is chasing has a license plate number too!

"Do something inappropriate or against social norms, or, criminal, then you will suffer the repercussions for doing so."

Indeed you will, and your name ain't got nothing to do with it.
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RE: Five reasons to stay off Google for now
ZazieLavender Updated - 8th Aug
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate!
1-3 don't really bug me, I've gone by Zazie Lavender for about 5 years now, first on livejournal, then twitter, then Youtube.
4 is easy enough, I just don't fill in my profile with much more than my name and that I'm currently a student. Yes, it's account management system fails when confronted with real world data. You wanna know why? Because some programmer got too zealous in upholding the CEOs wishes. Give it a few more months, they've already toned down that problem anyway so it's safe. If your real name has potential to make it hate you, then just give it a first and last name that look right and move on, you can correct your name later when the whole thing moves out of beta. Besides I'm sure you're used to "normalizing" your name anyway

5 is just obvious. See 1 and 2. IT'S STILL IN BETA!
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Used google blog
FADS_z 5th Aug
Always felt it is beta, beta, beta application.
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That's funny coming from the same guy who has done nothing but promote Google+. I shall take your advice and stay far far away from it. I wouldn't want to be associated with Google in any way after all the bad publicity they are getting lately.
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Very happy with Google
Sverix 5th Aug
In the 'early' days, circles were pretty slow to reflect the people added to them. That's all.
But I don't use plugins. I can imagine that could give a few problems when G+ is updated with new features or changed behaviour.

BUT: I don't see anything at all that should keep anybody away from this great social network site. Go ahead and enjoy Google+
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Those five reasons
facebook@... 5th Aug
Those same five reasons are the reasons why I minimize the use of Google products. Google Voice is a great product. Yet, their integration with my domain is atrocious and their lack of support disheartening. I have 60+ apps in my cpanel that Google does not offer any real level of support service for.
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I was invited to Google + and found none of my friends existed in that network, none of my friends use gmail, google talk or have a google account, so I sent an invitation about 2 weeks ago but haven't received any replies, I will have to tell them to get out from Facebook, but they have most of their friends in Facebook, so it will be difficult to convince them, I think I won't use Google plus until all my friends migrate to Google plus maybe in 5 or 10 years.
Google+ is more polished than Freaking Facebook at this point. The Beta tag is just that, a tag. Means nothing.
@Droid101, exactly right.
It must just depend who you are. I prefer G+ over Facebook. I really like being able to direct posts to just certain people easily. And the hangouts are awesome.
I haven't had any problems with Google+ so far, but I think plenty of "normal people" (non-techies) still on the outside whom have heard of Google+ must be pretty damn curious, so they'll join if it is for the sake of checking out these bugs everyone is talking about...
So, I think Google+ will keep growing at a fast pace at least till about 100 million, so I hope Google+ engineers are working night and day to clean things up and at the same time move forward so the service won't lose momentum.
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"How comfortable are you with having your real name"

Hey, it's okay. Eric Schmidt says I get one do-over and get to change my name.

Now where's that Kool-Aid?
The problem with real names in arenas like this is a thoughtless or senseless act will, not can, but will haunt you forever.

As people age (I won't say mature), their ideals, thoughts and passions change. A setting like G+ will hold your past items, even if they do not reflect your values today, and display them as if they are set in stone forever.

I, am not comfortable with that. plain
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@rhonin, you're including Facebook there too I assume.

About the problem you mentioned, happens to all of us I think. People see stuff on social networks and other places alike attached to my name, such as song lists, photographs, texts, etc which in a sense don't reflect either my current musical taste, appearance or writing style...
Being that I am in the Software and Web QA business I welcome the problems and changes. When I first created an account I encountered about 6 issues that I wrote up.

Compared to the first few days G+ is pretty stable.
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Try to join from an invite and it still says try again later.
I think if you're the type of person to generally stay away from social media, then these reasons apply. Otherwise it's not a big deal. However, IMO I'd say the real reason to stay away is because nothing is really going on just yet. Then again that's probably due to the number of users, so go forth! Join up!
Dont know if anybody has used Orkut a failed Social Networking site from Google. Google+ very much has the same feel.
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RE: Five reasons to stay off Google for now
cameigons Updated - 6th Aug
@info@... Orkut was a side project by a Google employee, it was a mess full of bugs from day one. The site suffered from unbelievable amateurish programming flaws(I know, I was an early adopter). It took Google a long time to actually commit to the project, even then in a half-assed way in my own view (I remember google were at that time actually trying to partner with facebook but that didn't work) and the way I see it they have never invested much on it anyway.

Google+ is something else entirely, it's a main experimental project, and Google has put a great deal of effort on its design and development.
Dont know if anybody has used Orkut a failed Social Networking site from Google. Google+ very much has the same feel that of Orkut.
you took 2 points and dragged them out into 5. It's still better than facebook.
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RE: Five reasons to stay off Google for now
The Danger is Microsoft 6th Aug
#1 reason: wait until Microsoft releases their Bing minus and give them your business, dollars, profile, friends list and more for free!
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One is enough for me.
NoAxToGrind 6th Aug
How comfortable are you with having your real name, or the name you commonly go by online anyway, being permanently attached to your Google Plus account? If you value you anonymity; if you like keeping a firewall between your real identity and the one you use online, Google+ is probably not going to be for you.


Translated, its not for anyone with half a brain or more.
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Define a beta phase.
carmelyne 6th Aug
Beta is a testing phase, and it requires a feedback loop. Regular users should be encouraged to join during the beta phase, so they can provide feedback and help shape the system that will work for them. The article did the exact opposite.
You missed two elephants in the room.
Google doesn't think you have any right to privacy on the Internet.
Google claims perpetual rights to all your content.
Do you feel comfortable with that? I don't.
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Beta from Google
Marco Ng 7th Aug
From gmail to chrome, I love betas from Google more than SP1 from Microsoft.
For facebook, by all means it is prototype after prototype (especially for the facebook iphone app)
"1) Google+ is Beta Software"

It's just a social network. It's there for you to chat with others. It's not as if this thing is running my car or something. If it goes funny, I just go somewhere else to chat, not a big deal.

"2) No, I mean Google+ really is Beta Software"

No, I really do mean I could care less. If you're using ANY type of social network for anything mission critical, you need to see a doctor, pronto.

"3) Real Names"

This is legit, and I agree.

"4) Account instability"

Agreed.

"5) Google+ Mismanagement"

Agreed.
There is only 1 real reason to stay off. Its BETA, no other reason is needed. Other then its also Google and your privacy is in real jeopardy. It astonishes me that half the bloggers/HAHAHAHHAHA computer experts! here don't even know any better. Fill out the bug report and move on or get out of beta testing products.

Its just that simple!
Everybody is on Facebook so why would I bother going to a place where those my friends are not.
Google+ may have a few minor features that Facebook does not but who cares?
The only thing that matters is the people on the network and how active they are and frankly Google+ is just a bunch of empty space in that regard.
From my 100 or so friend on facebook only two are also on Google+. I am not going to bother putting personal info on Google+ for those two. Only attention seeking idiots do that or people who are total google fanatics.
Nice post. Personally, I don't care about using my real name or not -- most of what I share online isn't personal anyway. But yeah, there are many people who like to share personal things and maintain (an illusion) of privacy as well. One of the big things keeping me away from Google+ is the lack of games...LOL, I'm serious. Why nothing like Chat Rounds on Facebook? (video chat + games)
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I definately feel that Google+ has had some teething problems, which probably explains why so many people haven't bothered getting an account. I do think it has some really great features, they just need a little tweaking and development before it becomes a really great social networking site. Something else that is slightly worrying and doesn't promise too much for Google+ is that we found some stats showing that most Google managers don't have or use a Google+ account - http://www.lucidica.com/blog/cto/management-of-google-dont-seem-to-love-google/
Although, I hope that soon this will change!

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