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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Five Things to love about Google+

By | June 30, 2011, 11:51am PDT

Summary: Facebook should be worried. Google has got something great brewing up in Google+

First things first: I don’t have any Google+ invites. Sorry Ken! I had some, but only minutes after I got into Google+, Google closed the doors saying “We’ve shut down invite mechanism for the night. Insane demand. We need to do this carefully, and in a controlled way. Thank you all for your interest! ”

I’m sorry about that. I’d give you all invites if I could. Why? Because why Google+ is still just beta, it has several features I really like. These are, in no particular order:

1. Easily Share Information with Select Groups: Circles

On Facebook, everything I say is, pretty much shared with everyone who follows me. That includes close friends and relatives who actually do care-or do a fine job of pretending that they care-about what “adventures” I’m having with my pair of dogs. And, it includes people who want to know my latest thoughts about Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com) or IPv6. As you might imagine, only a very few of my Facebook friends care both about my dogs and technology.

With Google+ circles, it’s easy to divide up the dog-lovers from the Linux fans and vice-versa. Sure, you can rig up something like this in Facebook as well, but it’s not simple. Advantage: Google+

Google Circles are easy to use.

Google Circles are easy to use.

2. I own my information.

Facebook co-owns anything I put on the site. That’s never made me happy. While Google, as the more paranoid among us are acutely aware, tracks almost anything we put on the Web, also states in its Terms of Service that “You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.” Now, that’s more like it!

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols is a freelance writer. He does not own stocks or other investments in any technology company.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it.

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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Google's TSA
redwiids 19th Apr
Online networks have been appropriating such theoretical rights since commercial ones existed, pre-Web.
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Does anyone wonder if this is going to be another Buzz?
Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate 30th Jun
I hope not.
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate
There seems to be a lot of Buzz around it.
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RE: Five Things to love about Google
StephenChapman 30th Jun
@hoaxoner I see what you did there.
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Stephen: ? what
Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate 30th Jun
@StephenChapman
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@hoaxoner: ... Andy Hertzfeld, so some concepts and UI choices are really well. (The same could be said about WebOS, which was done by Apple employees who fled to Palm.)

Disclaimer: not that I am serious about it, but this is one of things the Buzz buzzing on the Internet. ;))
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Contributr
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate This, this is no Buzz. It may not overhaul Facebook, but it will get a lot of users.

Steven
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate

Not drowning, Waving..

Nope, that didn't work either.
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RE: Five Things to love about Google
noagenda Updated - 30th Jun
Conveniently left out the next sentence in Google's Terms of Service agreement ...
"By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. "

You might own it but so does Google ...
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RE: Five Things to love about Google
ginjaninja405 1st Jul
@noagenda It doesn't say own. It's just talking about being able to push that info on if they need to. It doesn't mean they own it like Facebook do, they're just asking for access to your data.
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RE: Five Things to love about Google
SenorAlejandro 1st Jul
@ginjaninja405 Right, licensing something and owning it aren't the same. They still have fairly broad usage rights, though, just as Facebook does. I think most of your average users will see this as a non-issue.
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Google's TSA
redwiids 19th Apr
Online networks have been appropriating such theoretical rights since commercial ones existed, pre-Web.
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About Circles... Can I select one contact for more than one circle?
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@ilazo

By now I think you might find out that...Yes!! you can!!
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@czorrilla yeah!!!
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RE: Five Things to love about Google
SenorAlejandro 1st Jul
@czorrilla It took me a little bit of goofing around to figure out the Circles, but now that I'm pretty comfortable and familiar with how they work, I can say that I definitely like them. It's so easy to selectively share info with them, and you can still give viewing permission to individual names when posting something, too.
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I really like the cleanness of the interface, and the lack of load-ons and add-ins that have nothing to do with my contacts and networking agenda. I don't think once I am set up, I am likely to spend any time going forward on facebook.
@Breiter #mindamp
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@Doug@...

Same for me. If Google+ stays more or less this way, a lot of people is going to do the same, save for the gamers, lolita picture posters and others that like FB the way it is now. Bu I do think some millons are going to switch.
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RE: Five Things to love about Google
SenorAlejandro 1st Jul
@Doug@... I simply can't express how much I share this sentiment. Everything is just so clean and appealing from a design standpoint. Even the notification drop-down is a lot more useful than Facebook's.
I think the lack of "social" games like Farmville will be a stumbling block for some potential Facebook migrants, but I hope those stay off of G+ (or at least show up in a very minimal way).
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RE: Five Things to love about Google
Andre Richards Updated - 1st Jul
@Doug@... It's unlikely to stay that way. Remember, this isn't about social networking. It's about all that potential targeted advertising Facebook can take from Google. If you dont think Google won't find a way to clutter this up with ads and marketing, you're dreaming. Cases in point: gmail and YouTube. Both used to be clean UIs and both are now overrun and cluttered with ads. It's Google's bread and butter, and you can bet Google+ will be part of it.
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RE: Five Things to love about Google
pinkfloydhighhopes 1st Jul
+1 for this nice article
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What I loved most was Google TakeOut. So I tried it.
I am disappointed. According to Google Search the world population is 6,775,235,700. Only 335,164,058 speaks English as first language (Wikipedia). If we remember that people use their first language for social networks, and we consider the fact that the archives of Google Takeout kills cruelly characters from local character sets (at least that what it does to my Hebrew charachters), we understand that Google Takeout is useless for 95% of the population.
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Looks just like Facebook
nacht@... 1st Jul
When I first saw the screenshot, I had to look at it very closely because I thought I was looking at Facebook. You CAN segregate your "friends" in FB into groups, and configure your updates so that only certain groups see them. As has been mentioned before, Google's TOS _does_ give them rights to your stuff. Video conferencing? Heck, half the time the people on Facebook don't even respond to private messages; you really think they actually want to TALK to you face-to-face?
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RE: Five Things to love about Google
SenorAlejandro 1st Jul
@nacht@... I definitely agree that G+ shares a similar 3-column type of layout, and the way you post and reply will be very familiar with some nice tweaks here and there--but that's kind of where the sameness ends. I think once you have a chance to mess with it you'll probably like what they've done. But either way, I'm sure you'll end up using whatever works better for you. =)
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RE: Five Things to love about Google
krishnansriram 1st Jul
Good composition. Well done
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At least it's not facebook
trim6161@... 1st Jul
I never liked that smarmy little %@&^!
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really looking forward to dumping facebook!
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Sharing things shared privately
011010100010100 1st Jul
"Is Google+ perfect? Oh no. It still has its rough spots. For example, I can share something someone ?shared? with me privately in a public circle. That needs fixed in the worse way."

You can get round this as when you share something you can check a box that will stop other people from being able to share it further (unless they cut and paste, but you're never going to be able to stop that).

Perhaps it'll take a while for people to get really on top of how the circles work and so there'll be a bit of inadvertent sharing (is Mr Weiner listening?)

I'm enjoying Google+ too. There are some interesting people hanging out there at the moment, and a bit of a debate going on over whether the 'Steve Jobs' on there is the real one (hint: he _says_ he is, but... errr.... wink

Peter
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You can Disable reshare!
Steegle.com 1st Jul
"Is Google+ perfect? Oh no. It still has its rough spots. For example, I can share something someone ?shared? with me privately in a public circle. That needs fixed in the worse way."

You can easily stop this by disabling resharing: use the drop down menu at the top right of the post (it's denoted by a downward pointing triangle in a circle) and chose Disable reshare.
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SJVN- says "11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services." Of course you retain any copyright you hold- what kind of fool could think otherwise? NOW, quote the rest of section 11 which contradicts your simplistic claim: "By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.
11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.
11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions.
11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license." In other words, google CAN'T take your LEGAL copyright but they can do any damn thing else they want with ANYTHING you send through gmail or any other google "service". So who pays you more for your so-called 'articles', zdnet or google?
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It really amazes me how truly lazy people are. I have been sharing different things with different groups on Facebook for years. It's not hard to set up - you select the list from a drop-down when you add or confirm a friend. And it is extremely easy to change if after wards. But I guess if it isn't drag-and-drop, then it must be hard.

There is at least one other gigantic privacy bug right when you sign up - it allows others you shared your Picasa web albums with to share them with whoever they want. And you have to link your Picasa web albums or you can't join Google+.
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RE: Five Things to love about Google
jscholl19@... 6th Jul
@aep528 no you don't I have a g+ account and did not have to link anything, not sure if the rules have changed since you joined.
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RE: Five Things to love about Google
rmworldwide@... 2nd Jul
What on Earth do we need this for??
With the recent "fashion" of hackers attacking peoples email accounts CONTACT lists i am to concerned to even use my real birthday anywhere online, let alone my income or any other vital data - besides, this sort of "hangout" used to called "Stammtisch" in the German speaking countries, a real world round table in a Restaurant where buddies would hangout and yap about god and the world at large - in person!
So, if we now move more and more to this impersonal WWW format of hangout places why don't we also do it with imagined names, fake pictures and birthdays and financial facts, it's a lot safer for all of us than plastering the endless number of social sites with our vital personal data and think it's oh so safe and improves our life styles....
We have an option to 'block reshare' while posting. I guess that takes care of it.
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We have an option to 'Block Reshare' when posting. Click on the little settings icon while posting an update. It has the option.
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@Josh Roth

Well I guess if you've just launched a test version of a produce making sure it works correctly when you use the takeout option to download the files (because you want to stop using the product) in the minority languages is a bit of a low priority option. No doubt some of the text also appearing in the wrong direction on the page as well.

You might pick something a little more important to moan about I would bet it may not be quite right in Mandarin and Cantonese yet either.
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Just check thinktank.tsert.com/patent-clubs.html
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RE: Five Things to love about Google
freakqnc Updated - 5th Jul
Maybe this time they may have finally learned from their own failures (Orkut, Waves, Buzz) and from other's failures (Diaspora, Chat-roulette) as well as from others' success stories (My Space, Facebook, twitter) and hopefully will avoid to plague the service in to a security nightmare (facebook) once they will have a large user base.

I am keeping my fingers crossed since I really can't wait to have a better alternative to facebook. It's human nature to look for freedom and independence and social network tools are no different. I like all 5 points but it's #2 that causes my major problems with facebook ToS. The fact of posting something on a server should never entitel to co-own content just because the service is offered for free. Then charge for the service and see how many subscribers will drop. The revenue has to come from elsewhere... pro services for business using services for profit and advertisement.

This time it may just work... Now I'll have to wait and see if I get the invite
Google+ may have +++'s. But, getting the +1's around the Internet, getting businesses hooked up, giving events a space... all these functional goodies need to be in place for me to go to Google+ more often than Facebook.
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Its great to see that Google has taken up the challenge and has come-out with this promising product.

But now many like me who loves google & its product - are unable to create a google+ account...

When can we expect that we at-least the google account holders & the blogger account holders are able to create a google+ account?

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