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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

God help us: Internet Explorer 6 Lives On

By | November 3, 2010, 11:12am PDT

Summary: We all know that Internet Explorer 6 needs to die, but early Web-based applications still rely on it, and now–NO!!!–there’s a browser extension that will let you run IE 6 in later versions of Internet Explorer.

Please, please, just let Internet Explorer 6 die. It was an awful browser even in its day, 2001. The only reason it became popular was that Microsoft got away with illegally beating Netscape into the ground. Unfortunately, many corporate developers created crude, IE 6-specific Web applications that we’re stuck with to this very day. And, now thanks to Browsium’s UniBrows, we may be stuck with for many more years to come.

UniBrows will let users run IE6 within IE8. Yes, that’s right; people will be able to keep running IE 6 for years to come.

Shoot me now.

I gave up on IE6 as a set of security holes pretending to be a Web browser back in 2004. Since then, lots of other people have joined me in fleeing from IE6 to other Web browsers such as Firefox, Safari, Opera, and my new favorite, Chrome.

Heck, even Microsoft wants you to stop using IE6. While I think you’d be better off with an open-source Web browser, I also think that moving to any of the later versions of Internet Explorer would be a smart move.

If you’re still on XP, and you want to stay true to Microsoft, go with Internet Explorer 8. If you’re running Windows 7, you should be looking forward to IE9.

Despite all these alternatives and IE6’s security problems, according to site analytics vendor Net Applications, the decrepit Web browser still has almost 15% of the world market. If you look at how individual browsers rank that makes its the world’s third most popular Web browser behind IE8, with 29.04% and Firefox 3.6x with 17.63%. What’s really amazing though is that Gartner research shows that an amazing 20% of businesses are still stuck on IE6-specific programs.

In other words, it’s not idiot end-users running unpatched copies of XP that’s keeping IE 6 alive, its businesses. You’d think their IT departments would know better.

So, I guess it should come as no surprise that Browsium has created a browser add-on, UniBrows that will let business users run IE6 inside of IE8 browser. The company claims that this $5 per user per year add-on will provide “full IE6 functionality and behaviors, including ActiveX controls support, rendering, and JavaScript functionality.”

At the same time, Browsium asserts that it “Reduces security risk by enabling you to move to a safer, more secure browser.” And, its “Opt-in design reduces attack surfaces based on your specific needs.”

Excuse me if I don’t buy this. You could sandbox IE6 in a virtual machine, which is what Microsoft actually recommends for users who can’t give up IE6, but to do that inside IE8? While keeping ActiveX and JavaScript? I can’t see it.

Instead of using a kludge to fix IE6’s well-known problems-which reminds me: you did know yet another IE-family zero-day vulnerability has been revealed right?–I have a better long-term suggestion. Kill the blasted IE6 specific applications already, re-write them in standard HTML and JavaScript, and move to a Web browser with real security already! Is it really that hard?

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it.

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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theo_durcan 7th Nov 2010
@fabi23
3 years ago IE6 was the flagship browser from MS, & despite the fact that many developers were saying it was crap, there were many very vocal sheeples entrenched in IT, arguing that IT WAS THE STANDARD, & many IT proyects were build around that stupid browser & many "Only IE" sites build. So now, 4 years later, the sheeples are saying to the same companies they sold that stupidity: you must evolve, just reinvest another few hundreds K to rebuild your site.
So yes, wake up, are you not tired to be abused?
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God Help Us: Windows lives on
itguy08 3rd Nov 2010
It would be better for everyone to get rid of Windows.
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@itguy08 Just shutup
computers, either.

A majority will not spend 700$ for a "tower" to have to also buy a mouse, a keyboard, and a monitor. They also can't use Linux, since it doesn't run what they want to run.
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@itguy08 Still making love to your TRS-80?
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@itguy08
It would be better for everyone if you either shut up or post smarter comments !
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@itguy08

Oh it's not just him wink The author seems to have just been writing since CP/M not actually developing. I remember when CP/M was just a dream in someone's eye while I was busy loading the PDP/11's OS from paper tape and polishing hte magnetic memory cores. IE6 was infinitely better than Netscape - especially for development. It allowed for browser based applications that could be developed in a fraction of the time and money that IT departments usually required. Suddenly all sorts of applications were available that previously were guaranteed to be out of date by the time they were actually developed.

IE6 brought management and policies and while ActiveX may have had its problems in the big wide world, it was fine in a locked down corporate environment.

So why is IE6 still around? - simply because its still working and the applciations built with it have passed the test of time.

If it works - don't try and fix it wink
going for Windows is that you can run Win32 apps from the last century. Big Whooopi.
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@itguy08 Agreed. F Windows. Go Linux all the way.
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RE: God help us: Internet Explorer 6 Lives On
Loverock Davidson 3rd Nov 2010
Please let IE6 rest in peace. Not sure why anyone would still use it given the benefits later IE versions have had, most notable being tabs. It sounds like this tool is used more as a transitional tool, not to just keep IE6 around. Its going to allow users to upgrade IE while still being able to use those few IE6 web apps until they are upgraded. Its a nice effort to get people to try newer versions of IE.
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Odd...
zkiwi 3rd Nov 2010
You used to be a proponent of IE6, claiming essentially it was the best thing since sliced bread.
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@zkiwi You may not know this, but sliced bread gets moldy after a while. Seems that software does too.

Mosaic, Netscape, IE, Mozilla, Firefox, Chrome

There seems to be a progression here. Anyway, IE6 won't recognize XHTML, or HTML5 (If it ever comes out).

Yes, as with DOS and CP/M, it's time to move on.
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"It was an awful browser even in its day, 2001. The only reason it became popular was that Microsoft got away with illegally beating Netscape into the ground."
Revisionist are we? Hope your pizza delivery works out for you, this blog doesnt seem to fit your fiddle.
bundled. Now, IE9 may be a different story . . .
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Donnie - go do some research...
Wolfie2K3 4th Nov 2010
@DonnieBoy
Netscape was long dead and buried by the time IE 6 arrived on the scene in 2001.

For the record: Netscape 4.0 and later were JUNK. 20 minutes to print a mapquest page is ludicrous. IE 5.5 could do the same job in under 30 seconds. THAT is why they failed. No other reason.
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RE: God help us: Internet Explorer 6 Lives On
kyron.gustafson@... 4th Nov 2010
@DonnieBoy... Netscape died because AOL bought the company.

After AOL bought them out AOL's stock went up. Since most of the creative people at Netscape had stock options vested before AOL came along, they understandably decided to make a fortune selling their stock.

So all the best and brightest left to retire, or to form new startups.
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@DonnieBoy
Netscape was out of the picture before IE 6 came about. The browser I was using at the time was Mozilla.

What I recall about the downfall of Netscape a couple of years earlier, though, was that a new version of Netscape would work fine, and then a patch to Windows would happen, and suddenly Netscape didn't work right anymore. It would start crashing or part of it would work very slowly. Some people will claim that Microsoft didn't purposely patch Windows in ways that caused problems for Netscape, but I remember too well similar issues with Novell clients, and also with running pre-95 versions of Windows on DR-DOS or PC-DOS.
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More of a cost issue
barneytheblueheeler@... 3rd Nov 2010
I would say keeping IE6 apps in use is based more on cost than ability. CEOs are axing everything but their bonuses and parachutes in today's corporate world, so why fix something that still works ... sort of.
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I was at my insurance agent's office the other day, and they were getting my account information from the home office using an ancient DOS based program within a window. IE6? It's the bee's knees compared to this
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RE: God help us: Internet Explorer 6 Lives On
cosuna Updated - 3rd Nov 2010
@R.L. Parson :

Completely agree with you. Most ZDNET bloggers don't get it at all.

Microsoft made millions because they pushed "industry standards" with a mighty force. Be it DOS, IE6, Win32, DOC, PPT, XLS.

Now they are blaming companies that they are stuck with the "past". They don't remember it's their past, and how they strong armed us into submission.

Today in this double dip great recession (which is more like a Depression) companies don't have the money or care, to upgrade applications that were created on the previous century. In their point of view, they moved them to the Web (aka most were VB6 based or FoxPro systems) because they figured that this would "future-proof" them.

Now that, as it turns out, wasn't true at all. Clinton "peace-dividend"-era (when money flowed in pours) web applications should be migrated again, just because Microsoft did something wrong and code for "their" standard and NOT the current standard (HTML4 dates back to 1996).

So companies are doing the right thing. Keeping IE6 for company stuff and using alternatives for new HTML5 stuff. Why migrate to IE7 or IE8 if it won't support HTML5. Why migrate to IE9 if it won't support their Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 installed base. Firefox does both, why choose otherwise.
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Why would you be
John Zern 3rd Nov 2010
better off with an open-source Web browser?
Don't they all have security vulnerabilities, and open or closed, I can't rewrite out the problems.
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I never had issues when I was running IE6, but when I finally needed to go to 8, well, let's just say that I despise IE8 with a fiery passion! 8 needs to be axed down and like before it was released in beta. If I'd had the choice, I would've gone back to 6 and quick. Since I couldn't I became a Safari supporter.

Now, my children use IE6 at home for their computer, but it's running Winodws 2000 and so no other browser that we've found supports Windows 2000 any more. So at this point, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. I certainly wouldn't make the mistake of upgrading to IE8 on another computer. As long as the sites my children enjoy are still working with their browser, I say, "Long live IE6."
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@stardreamer
System Requirements for Firefox 3.6.12 (Newest Version)

Operating Systems

* Windows 2000
* Windows XP
* Windows Server 2003
* Windows Vista
* Windows 7
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@stardreamer

Just out of curiosity, have you taken a look at current versions of Linux as an alternative to your Windows 2000 system(s)? Ubuntu 10.10 is now out, and it's probably the most polished version they've issued. Moreover, the usability of Ubuntu is on a par with any version of Windows currently available. The wealth of applications that come with the package, plus what can be downloaded from the online repository, should meet most needs quite handily.

If you're running Windows programs that require Windows 2000, you still have options, but the support requirements will be somewhat more involved. If you have no legacy apps, however, I'd definitely give Ubuntu a look. The thing to keep in mind is the fact that neither Windows 2000 nor Internet Explorer 6 are supported any longer by Microsoft. Security holes still exist, but they're no longer being patched. Basically, you have a glowing target on your back, and it's not going away anytime soon.
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Really?
relwolf 3rd Nov 2010
@dbarr@...

So your solution on the kids computer is to wipe the OS, tell the kids they have to find something else to screw around with instead of all the old cdrom education games that only run on windows because their browser sucks. You have got to be kidding me.

I tried Ubuntu for three months with my kids ages 4 and 9. They hated it because of the my earlier point (Wine didn't cut it either). My solution, put Windows back on and install Windows Steady State, configured it for daily reset and now could care less, if they do get some malware or a virus they just reboot and the system is reset to a clean state, problem solved.
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@dbarr@...

No matter how polished and usable, a clay tablet and stick is still a clay tablet and stick.
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RE: God help us: Internet Explorer 6 Lives On
cosuna Updated - 3rd Nov 2010
@stardreamer : Buy an iPad for your children. You will never go back. No virus protection needed (if system gets hammered down, just upgrading the OS will fix and all apps will reinstall without a problem), no CPU on 100% problem, no need for "adult supervision", etc.

And then, it costs less than any Windows 7 configured PC, except those useless Windows 7 Starter "quasi netbooks" (real netbooks had XP).
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@stardreamer---Firefox and Chrome work just fine on 2000 Pro.
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Reality Strikes! IE6 Lives!
pjboyles 3rd Nov 2010
There are many reasons for the fact that IE6 lives on in business. There are large bodies of web based applications that must be changed to work with IE 7 or IE 8. As @R.L. Parson said... cash is king. Business are in the business of making money, not upgrading software.

Most of the issues with upgrading from IE6 tie into radical changes to the security zones and security handling of IE 7/8. If all this had been better planned then these items should not have impacted web applications so hard. Especially the moving target of "best practices" and good web design.

All this would be extremely comical if it didn't cost so much to fix. Hey Microsoft, can you hear businesses now?

This (IE6 vs IE8) is one huge stumbling block with moving to Windows 7 as well.
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I Live with This Everyday !
jpr75_z Updated - 3rd Nov 2010
Where I work we are still stuck in the XP and IE6 time warp, and this is a Large company doing quite well financially. The reason... enterprise web apps the "need" IE6. Please save me.... !
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Two words: Chrome Frame
DonnieBoy 3rd Nov 2010
NT
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The black sheep of browsers
fabi23 3rd Nov 2010
It's like Gartner said in their reports, the problem isn't end users, it is the companies that reuse to update their browsers. I understand them as well, because let's asume it, it's a pain in the ass to update 300? 500? 1000+? But there are ways to do that folks! They are slowing web evolution in the companies that develop their web apps. Isn't ask for someone to update their browsers cheaper than pay for a web app that supports IE6??? I bet it is!
I live this problem every day because at the company I'm working we support IE6 for our web app project, only because one of our 20+ clients uses it! And there are a lot of things we have to leave behind because of this.
Come on people! YOU ARE IN 2010! WAKE UP!
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Wake UP
theo_durcan 7th Nov 2010
@fabi23
3 years ago IE6 was the flagship browser from MS, & despite the fact that many developers were saying it was crap, there were many very vocal sheeples entrenched in IT, arguing that IT WAS THE STANDARD, & many IT proyects were build around that stupid browser & many "Only IE" sites build. So now, 4 years later, the sheeples are saying to the same companies they sold that stupidity: you must evolve, just reinvest another few hundreds K to rebuild your site.
So yes, wake up, are you not tired to be abused?
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Internaut IQ Index
smiley97111 3rd Nov 2010
Chrome was the huge gainer in the browser market share last month which isn't particularly surprising, though the fact that it was almost the ONLY gainer did open my eyes. Chrome was up by over half a point which they took from IE's 0.40 point and Firefox's 0.14 point losses for the month. Safari was the only other gainer last month, and it looks like they took their 0.06 point increase from Opera's 0.13 point loss.

At this juncture I think I can confidently prognosticate IE will have to be content with half of the pie for the rest of it's life, I don't think they'll ever be able to reclaim the 60% figure again. I say that because a breakdown of the different flavors of IE show version
8 barely under 33% (call it a third)
7 barely over 10%
6 at 16%
Why oh why!? I can't believe the v6 guys are all running Win2K (1) at this late in the game, so they must *think* they have no choice. Are they going to catch on eventually? Well, that IS why I call this the Internaut IQ Index. happy So yes, I'm still hoping so, and when they do, I'm also hoping they won't upgrade to a newer flavor of IE, but rather to Firefox, Chrome, Safari, or Opera. That should be a similar story for the folks in the IEv7 category which when combined with IEv6, accounts for a QUARTER of the internaut population.

http://my.opera.com/PMAco/blog/internaut-iq-index

Another quarter of the population is where Firefox has been struggling to arrive all this year. And Chrome's popularity is not slowing down, nor will it. My wife switched from Firefox over to Chrome because it has this great add-on to administer her (FaceBook) FarmVille game which she couldn't find for Firefox. Now I'm not only confident that Chrome will be the next two-digit browser, but I'm prognosticating that event before 2011 rears it's ugly head.

Smiley

(1) Actually we know that they aren't, NetMarketShare shows Operating System usage in October of WinXP = 59%, Win7 = 18.24%, WinVista = 13% and Win2K = 0.39%, so the IEv6 folks are probably running AOL's browser.
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@smiley97111---I experimented with Chrome. Nice browser, for sure. Till I saw that adding and prioritizing search engines was a trick to do. I decided that when Chrome , and IE8 for that matter, make adding and prioritizing search engines as straightforward as in Firefox, I'll use both of them a lot more.
I can't see that Chrome, and IE, haven't done this simple to code feature yet!
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I have a problem. I can not run version 7or8 on my computer. FOr some reason, it will not down load. Any one know why that is? I run mozilla, but some ips only run on internet explorer. I'm sort of confused.
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@nanawhite What OS are you using? If 2000 Pro, it won't allow more than IE6.
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Stuck with it.
kidtree 3rd Nov 2010
Running Win 2000 here. Yeah, I know. So I use Firefox nearly all the time, but I need to access Samsung's servicer site, which requires IE. And Win 2000 won't run anything later than IE6.
I work for a dinky little company that can't afford to replace its PC's. Somebody tell me what Samsung's excuse is.
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NT.
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I can see this.
Companies have unique cusom software that is frequently hardcoded and may require ie6. Add to this the business requirement to come up with a favorable ROI to justify switching. A very difficult thing for many.

The company I work for spent the last 2 1/2 years getting replacement software and is now migrating to Win7 and ie8.

So yes, I can see ie6 hanging around.
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As a web developer IE6 is a pain in the arse!! I agree with the article kill it quick.
From Jan 1st 2011 we will be charging a significant premium to make any new website IE6 compliant. This is my contribution to a faster Death for IE6.
What blows me out is the ultra conservative view many IT managers have about IE6. Not just conservative but aggresively defensive of their unjustifiable position. You only have to read a few of the posts above to see what I mean.
HTML5 will eventually kill IE6 off completely - unless someone writes an HTML5 emulator for IE6 just so a few people can hide from the future.
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Unfortunately, I work for a multi billion dollar company that is pinching pennies so hard to make Lincoln cry refuses to update all the workstations, still running on XP with 1 GB memory and 30 GB hard drives, running XP and IE6.
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Nice article...
dhana_space1 4th Nov 2010
I have read this kind of similar article before many times, still i am ready to spend another 5 minutes to reach such a article...Bcoz, it feel happy to read such a article.
If i am US president, I will all ask everyone to remove IE Browser, (ie6, ie7, ie8)....it sounds funny, rite ?
yes, i HATE IR BROWSER.
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UNIBROWS - maybe not that bad?
gtvr 4th Nov 2010
If it only renders designated sites with the IE6 functionality, then that's not horrible. Presumably, you would point it only at internal corporate sites which aren't going to exploit your PC, and leave IE8/9 usage for all outside sites.
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article fell short
joemamainthehouse 4th Nov 2010
I clicked on this thinking it might be about businesses still running IE6. The article cites the research showing 20% of businesses are stuck - which should have been the focus of the article. But this was just a whine-post. It doesn't talk about upgrade paths, or vendors declining to update their IE6 apps, or cost-cutting eliminating time/resources to migrate off IE6. Instead it chides IT because it should know better. So should the author.
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As with all technology, it is ever changing and improving. In the case of the Internet, we now have new modern standards, such as HTML5 and CSS3 that demand a modern browser to be able to articulate those standards. In addition to the web other factors such as Processors, in the case of 64-bit technology and operating systems require that other technologies keep pace. As important as the technology, the issue of Security should be paramount on folks mind. Modern browsers have far better security features and leave the user less vulnerable to attacks, hacking, and viruses.

Then there are the ?fluffy? reasons to upgrade, performance, features, and usability, that may be a vast improvement over the older versions but less important to some. In the case of IE6 it isn?t that the newer browsers are just better looking, faster or have newer features, they are somewhat required to be able to interact with the modern web environment. This doesn?t mean that they have to buy new computers or the latest operating system; in the case of XP you can install IE8 on it (for free) and have a safer, faster more rich browsing experience. The move to a newer browser such as IE9 shouldn?t be thought of a forced change but the key to opening the new Beauty of the Web.
Cheers,
Rick
IE Outreach Team
Companies should smoothly migrate to Linux while they can, anyway. Microsoft is a sinking ship.
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I'm still using IE6 - -
JTF243@... 5th Nov 2010
- - and don't have a problem with it!
Maybe I'm more careful when I surf, but it wasn't until Jan. 2010 that I ever had a problem with one of my computers (a laptop). I finally got DSL the year before but I got an infected email from my mother. It actually knocked her off-line until we reformatted and reloaded XP. That was when the tech loaded IE8 on her system and, while I have used her computer while helping her out, NEITHER of us like the "tabbed" browsing, NOR do we like the way the browser is laid out, the size and placement of the buttons, the "missing" buttons, OR the fact that we can't seem to change the layout of the Toolbars/Address bar.
So, you can take your IE8 and STICK IT!
And STEVEN, referring to a portion of your readers as "idiot end-users" is NOT a good way to endear you to them.

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