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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Is Facebook already running scared of Google+?

By | July 5, 2011, 4:07pm PDT

Summary: It looks to me like Mark Zuckerberg is frightened of what Google+ may do to Facebook as his social network blocks the Facebook Friend Exporter program.

I’ve only been using Google’s new social network, Google+ for a few days, but I already like Google+ a lot. I’ve already said Facebook had reason to worry about its users leaving it for Google+. It looks like Facebook agrees. Facebook has blocked Facebook Friend Exporter.

Facebook Friend Exporter, like the name indicates is an open-source Chrome Web browser extension that lets you export your Facebook friend data. Or, rather it briefly did that anyway. Facebook has blocked it.

It wasn’t perfect. All it really did was export data–such as names, e-mail addresses, and birthday– that your friends had shared with you as a comma separated value (CSV) file. You could then import this into Google+. It wasn’t easy. Now it only sort of works.

Facebook, you see,  has been removing the e-mail addresses. This means you can’t easily import the data into Google+. God forbid that Facebook let you copy your information from their site!

Facebook will allow you to download all your information (Account > Account Settings > Download Your Information > Learn More > Download), including Wall posts, photos, and friend data. But the lump file you’ll eventually get isn’t useful for much of anything.

Compare that, if you will, with Google Takeout. This complementary Google+ program lets me quickly and easily download all my Google+ information. Advantage: Google+

On top of this, TechCrunch is reported that while Google+ is still only beta and has a limited number of users, it’s already “cracked our top ten referring sites.” OK, so a lot of that data came during a holiday weekend when most people were watching fireworks and eating hot-dogs instead of playing with the latest Internet social network. Even so, it’s impressive.

In fact, I think Facebook looked at their own numbers, looked at how well Google+ was doing, and got scared. That’s the only reason I can come up with for Facebook slamming the door on Facebook Friend Exporter.

After all, the program had been around since November and Facebook is notoriously slow about fixing its own problems, never mind shutting down a harmless utility program. So, why was it so important just now to shut Facebook Friend Exporter down? I think it was to keep even a hint that Facebook might lose users to Google+.

Why would Facebook panic so early? Remember that no one really knows how much money Facebook makes and that until Facebook goes public, Mark Zuckerberg’s $70-billion company is a whole lot more hype than dollars. If Google+ really takes off, and it’s beginning to look like it is, Zuckerberg’s fortune may not be quite as large as he’s dreamed it would be.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it.

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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RE: Is Facebook already running scared of Google ?
kuntakinte77 6th Nov
@Habiloso I do not know if a +1 block is a business in these days. Google is reported to the market if the market demands it then implements. Submit Articles
Of course he is, he saw what his network did to Myspace and the like... He knows that in Google he's dealing with much the same type of people as he tries to attract at Facebook.
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@Peter Perry

Whether FB is running scared or not, what is being done in blocking Google+ simply makes good business sense.
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I think that Google is an advertising company
@ptorning
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@raimu koyo asu

So is Facebook.
@ptorning
Google and Facebook are skanky no matter how much protection you wear! If you're in their boat get out while you can.
@Habiloso Google and Facebook are situated on two different levels. Facebook is a social network authentic while Google controls the Internet, it is hard to understand? Car Rental Coupons | Creare Site
@Habiloso I do not know if a +1 block is a business in these days. Google is reported to the market if the market demands it then implements. Submit Articles
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@Peter Perry
to "go public" or be deleted, it appears that Mr. Vaughan-Nichols is once again incorrect.

It looks as though Google is running scared after only a week.

plain
Could there be any other reason for Facebook to block this application? While I'm inclined to agree with you (Facebook's behaviour in the past correlates with this), there might be a more innocent explanation.

Regardless, I'm thrilled at the idea of Facebook being toppled. I've never LIKEd it.
@Imrhien
Zing.
@Imrhien

No one should be easily allowing the export of the information friends have shared with you, not on a site like Facebook. While it is fine for something like Outlook where you create your own records (either from scratch or from a vCard), it is unacceptable on Facebook.

Google+ has a big hill to climb to catch Facebook. And if you are inclined to trust Google over Facebook, I would suggest you read up on Google's record of not selling all of us out on every piece of information they can collect about us.

Google+ will not change their character.
@dcristof what is the difference in general between exporting the info or typing it yourself? How does the amount of effort justify whether this is acceptable or unacceptable?
@dcristof
You're belief is understandable, except that it's rubbish. Once you accept a friend into your fb life, any info you have chosen to share is there's. I doubt you'd be saying the same thing if your iphone fb app failed and you couldn't tell your friends what you had for breakfast in one click.

The purpose of a social network is to share with your friends. Therefor it makes perfect sense that you'd be able to take that data and put it into Outlook or gmail, or even Juno, if you are old enough to remember that.

Facebook has the need to keep all data on their proprietary network because while there, and no place else, they own it (read their TOS/Privacy Polices.) In fact, they even own your ideas that you share on their network. But once that data is someplace else, they no longer own all rights and have complete control.

If you like to give up all rights to everything, keep using your beloved facebook. But don't share an idea you plan on having patented, you'll find yourself on the losing end of a lawyer's rifle.
Friendster fell. MySpace fell. Everyone will fall.
@Droid101, even Google?
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Good job Facebook
facebook@... 5th Jul
Facebook blocked an app that violated its Terms of Service. That is a win for privacy. To impugn that facebook somehow did this in spite or fear is outrageous.
@facebook@...
Except that it was up and running for over eight months. Now, after Google+ is launched, they decide to block it.

Funny, your name is Facebook and your picture is a "Non-Google" sign. So, we're supposed to take your comments seriously... why?
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Time is immaterial
facebook@... 5th Jul
@Droid101 And KDE was up even longer before Facebook wisely dropped the app due to a security bug in the app. All this proves is that Facebook is being more dilligent about their clients privacy.
@facebook: ... right to get list of their friends, since it is their friends, not Facebooks'.

But, for now, terms of service are in act and undisputed, so Facebook had the right to ban the extension.
@DeRSSS

OK, if you do not like the ToS, you are free not to use the service. However, in this case, facebook did the right thing by not having data miners that troll thrugh personal information and export it. You can download your own data from Facebook relatively easily. However, you do not have the right to download someone elses.
@Droid101 facebook@is hater like i hate facebook and Microsoft. But i am right, cause of dozens of monopoly infringements ect.

Someone who hates google must have a very blurred look to the world ....
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@facebook@... Sure it was against the ToS and therefore they had a right to block it, but that item in the ToS is questionable. It's like saying "You cannot use automated means to export your own data that you have chosen to share with us because it's our data now bahahahaha!"
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@snoop0x7b You are free to take your own data out. Just do not take third party data out. How is that so onerous of Facebook?
@facebook@...
Privacy, who are you kidding? Since you're name is facebook we can only assume you work for or are heavily invested in them. Therefore your opinion only counts as a tentacle to zuckerberg.

I personally closed my fb account a year ago after they sold a photo of mine to stock photo company. For all the mistakes Google has made, at least they have some transparency, as they are a publicly traded company. fb is running scared b/c they have nothing without holding you and everyones data hostage.

BTW, it's not a data minor if you are downloading your own data, which by definition your friends have shared with you for YOUR use.

Get your definitions right before you go trying to debate the truth with the stuff zuckerberg has shoveled into your head.
No! Facebook is not scared at Google+
It's just the part of killing your enemy.

This is what you call "Espionage"
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Nothing is forever. Everything goes extinct. The only difference being that the lifecycle is now extremely short. Moral of the story: Grab your money and get out when you know about impending danger to your stability. Don't wish that you are that one company in a thousand that is going to make it big. If you survive, count your blessings and adapt.
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Couldn't tell you Steve, but...
Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate 5th Jul
I'd be in a better position to say if *someone* would send me a Google+ invite.
(wink)
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Facebook was created by the seat of the pant as a program fulfilling an immediate need for social communication. This site was an innovation like the 8-Track cassette, Betamax, VHS etc and now destined to demise in near future!

A true social site should consist of 3 fundamental human endeavors - Personal, Social and Economic. Site offering individual control of all these three aspects will eventually win as a Darwinian survival of the fittest. Google has the edge on this right now. Let us see what transpires in near future!
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So over Facebook
3.141 5th Jul
Finally a reasonable competitor. Lets see: Does everything Facebook does but better. Security is better and you own your data. Plus I hate the capricious nature of Facebooks administrators - changing the way things work on you. After all that stuffing about I don't really have any idea if my information is secure or not. If Google+ matches its promise I suspect that they will be manning the lifeboats at as the good ship Facebook sinks below the waves. Please I neeeeeeeed Google+ an invite!
@3.141

You do realise Google is an advertising company?
@tonymcs@... So Is Facebook have at look at these
www.facebook.com/adsmarketing/
www.facebook.com/advertising/
@tonymcs@... People are blind.
@tonymcs@... Yeah? And? So is Facebook... Nothing about being an advertising company in and of itself necessitates doing what Facebook does.
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I think most people do
John L. Ries 6th Jul
@tonymcs@...
But it's completely irrelevant. FB sells advertising too. So does nearly every television, radio station, and newspaper.
@tonymcs@...
Do you really think that FB is not ?
I use Facebook to follow some business, bands, look at pictures that a few friends post & have about 20 or so friends that includes some family. I am not an "all in" Facebook user. I could easily change over to Google+ if it gains traction. I don't really care what the vehiclw is or what its called, I just like the casual manner in which I use it. As long as I can continue to do that, it's all good.
And that's not users data that's Facebooks data. Users give it to them. Google should quit dicking around in things they suck at like social and start worrying about search where they're getting beat to hell by Bing now. Bing not only crushes them on maps and images but now they're better at core search result relevancy and steadily talking search share.
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@Johnny Vegas Bing isn't crushing Google on Maps, Search and images and I prefer Google's versions.
@Johnny Vegas

Says who? Maps still rock on Google, don't care about images but Google usually gives me the results I need quickly and the only reason Bing is taking share is 2 fold:
1. Default for IE and it's a PITA to change it.
2. Partnership with Yahoo.

If MS were like Google where when you install Chrome you get to pick your search engine first rather than defaulting to one (coincidence it's Bing?), they would be a good corporate citizen. Instead it defaults to their bad search engine.

I don't know anyone that Bings anything. We all Google it.
@itguy10
actually like chrome IE also gives you a choice on what search engine to use or you go the express route and have bing as default so i dont know what you are talking about unless your just a troll LMAO.
@Knix96
Who would go out of their way to install IE? Seriously. It comes with the OS, if it's there, it's there, sadly.
I don't hate IE for it being IE, I hate it because it's basically malware on your computer.
Uses excessive amounts of CPU, extremely insecure, and worst yet, doesn't support HTML5 or CSS3, MS Failed, now they have IE10, less than a month after IE9.
I use IE to download Chrome, or even Firefox them remove it.
Anyone I help set up their computer for I have a pre-made installer I update every so often which has Chrome, Firefox, Opera and Safari setups, client choses which one or I just install all of them and then they decide which one they want.
Most chose Chrome, because they have small computers so Chrome is the best option.

What they do after that is up to them. I don't care about search engines, they are essentially a route of finding your way to your destination.
But, I prefer Google of the rest, I use a lot of Googles products and services. I find they're a lot better than everything else out there.

But, will Google+ succeed? We will have to wait and see, take a look at Google Wave, and Google Buzz, they didn't really go anywhere.

If I can contact my family with Google+ I will use it, if they don't want to jump in, then I will stick to Facebook as my mode of communication with them.

I have tried to change IE9's default to Google, but, I spent a good two minutes then gave up and left as *shudders*, Bing. The rest of my browsers are all set to Google.
I use Chrome, Firefox, Opera and IE on a daily basis, but, Chrome is by far my primary, even with 20 odd extensions, it still starts quicker than Vanilla IE, Firefox and Opera.

I am not a fanboy, I use what works, and for me, that's Google. I like the security, or even just the sense of security.

Everything will always fall down to personal preference.
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More lies, itguy10?
Mister Spock 6th Jul
@itguy10
I see more and more people choosing Bing over Google, and it appears the seach share numbers back up my statement.

You are too behind the times, and your have been proven a lier, so why do you persist?

It only makes you look foolish.

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@Johnny Vegas Bing maps sucks dude. Bing's search isn't as good at finding businesses or places, it doesn't have street view, it doesn't have public transportation maps for Philadelphia, I mean what good is it?
@Johnny Vegas
Excactly HOW do you make out that users data is not users data ? Do they cease to have any right to their own data including what they were given by friends ?

What a truly weird sense of rights you have.
Does that also mean that the opinions you post here is no longer yours if you also happens to post the same on FB ?
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Mister Spock Updated - 6th Jul
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WilErz Updated - 6th Jul
@Mister Spock
as he decided that bit of info wasn't conducive to his statement.

When you leave out facts like that, you can pretty much say anything you want.
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@Will Pharaoh
...doesn't mean it's legitimate. Of course, if people refused to use services that demanded unreasonable terms, even if inconvenient, companies like FB would have to be more circumspect.

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