Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
Summary: With no money and no muscle, Oracle could be left with a proprietary technology everyone has abandoned
The Apache Software Foundation (ASF) has issued an official threat to leave the Java Community Process if Oracle doesn't play fair with it.
The action was an overhang at last week's ASF North America conference in Atlanta, which I attended, but it was surprising to see it happen so soon.
As noted by ASF president Jim Jagielski in my interview with him last week, Apache believes it has no choice here but that it also has a strong hand.
Java's acceptance as a standard is based on its being open source. Much of that credibility comes from various Java projects initiated by the ASF. The ASF representative was recently re-elected to the Java Community Process (JCP) executive committee (EC) with 95% of the vote while an Oracle nominee was rejected.
Google can no longer support Java given that Oracle is suing it, and they were "the money" behind a lot of what was going on. The ASF was the muscle.
With no money and no muscle, Oracle could be left with a proprietary technology everyone has abandoned, as Unisys found when it sought to assert its rights to the .gif file format in the 1990s.
The official statement is couched in the passive and careful language Apache is known for. There's also an FAQ for those who need some background on the controversy.
But here's the money quote:
The ASF will terminate its relationship with the JCP if our rights as implementers of Java specifications are not upheld by the JCP Executive Committee to the limits of the EC's ability. The lack of active, strong and clear enforcement of those rights implies that the JSPA agreements are worthless, confirming that JCP specifications are nothing more than proprietary documentation. (Emphasis mine.)
Mr. Ellison, your dice.
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RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
Is Larry Ellison mad?
I smell the hand of M$ agents here
Yes, THAT must be it...
Wow, can't you stand on both of your feet and not blame MS for everything? Seriously, you are a joke.
RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
Not far fetched for M$!
Agreed. So put down the crack pipe and gain some objectivity.
RE: where is smoke, there is fire too! . . .
The only smoke I smell is the what's coming out your ears . . .
In the words of the Immortal Great Rabbit: What a Maroon!
RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
I agree. They have deep enough pockets for spreading FUD.
RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
Personally I'd like to see either a new community form around a better VM based language or tools and libraries spring up around something new like Go. Honestly if weight was thrown behind Parrot and everyone could pretty much use their language of choice to build libraries that can be called from any other language on the VM that would be ideal.
RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
M$ stealing F# code from Apache validates my point of its evil deeds.
RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
You REALLY need to get out more.
RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
I smell the Mad Dog 20/20 you've been drinking.
RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
Get a life.
Good god...
Since Java is virus who cares who kills it.
It sucked when it was released and it sucks even more now.
What is surprising is, it wasn't written by MS. :-)
RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java
Ya, ya. And ASF members are so gullible as to believe any such FUD.