Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

Summary: With no money and no muscle, Oracle could be left with a proprietary technology everyone has abandoned

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The Apache Software Foundation (ASF) has issued an official threat to leave the Java Community Process if Oracle doesn't play fair with it.

The action was an overhang at last week's ASF North America conference in Atlanta, which I attended, but it was surprising to see it happen so soon.

As noted by ASF president Jim Jagielski in my interview with him last week, Apache believes it has no choice here but that it also has a strong hand.

Java's acceptance as a standard is based on its being open source. Much of that credibility comes from various Java projects initiated by the ASF. The ASF representative was recently re-elected to the Java Community Process (JCP) executive committee (EC) with 95% of the vote while an Oracle nominee was rejected.

Google can no longer support Java given that Oracle is suing it, and they were "the money" behind a lot of what was going on. The ASF was the muscle.

With no money and no muscle, Oracle could be left with a proprietary technology everyone has abandoned, as Unisys found when it sought to assert its rights to the .gif file format in the 1990s.

The official statement is couched in the passive and careful language Apache is known for. There's also an FAQ for those who need some background on the controversy.

But here's the money quote:

The ASF will terminate its relationship with the JCP if our rights as implementers of Java specifications are not upheld by the JCP Executive Committee to the limits of the EC's ability. The lack of active, strong and clear enforcement of those rights implies that the JSPA agreements are worthless, confirming that JCP specifications are nothing more than proprietary documentation. (Emphasis mine.)

Mr. Ellison, your dice.

Topics: Oracle, Open Source, Software Development

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  • RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

    IP patents have been dished out for simple concepts and to companies just because they are big. We must begin to unwind these nonsensical IP patents.
    DiggityDoug
    • RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

      @DiggityDoug - I could not agree more!
      chas_2
    • RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

      I would agree that if the 2 big proponents (Apache and Google) are jumping ship, then Oracle will be holding a paddle on a ship filled with rats that no one else wants to play on.
      quentinjs
    • Is Larry Ellison mad?

      He must be dumb to not know the damage he will cause Java, or maybe he doesn't care. He just wants to pocket a big bundle of money from suing Google, and then let Java shrivel up and die.
      Vbitrate
  • I smell the hand of M$ agents here

    I'm sure the moles are working to undermine JCP by deceiving and spreading FUD from the inside.
    Linux Geek
    • Yes, THAT must be it...

      @Linux Geek

      Wow, can't you stand on both of your feet and not blame MS for everything? Seriously, you are a joke.
      Qbt
      • RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

        @Qbt where is smoke, there is fire too!
        Not far fetched for M$!
        Linux Geek
      • Agreed. So put down the crack pipe and gain some objectivity.

        @Linux Geek: <i>where is smoke, there is fire too!</i><br><br>And maybe some credibility too.
        ye
      • RE: where is smoke, there is fire too! . . .

        @Linux Geek

        The only smoke I smell is the what's coming out your ears . . .

        In the words of the Immortal Great Rabbit: What a Maroon!
        JLHenry
      • RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

        [i]Not far fetched for M$![/i]

        I agree. They have deep enough pockets for spreading FUD.
        ahh so
    • RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

      @Linux Geek I don't know about FUDing but I see they seem to be trying to take advantage of the situation. F# has been open sourced under an Apache license. The .Net community now has a package management system like Maven. I would not be surprised to see other moves to attract fleeing Java devs and companies using it.

      Personally I'd like to see either a new community form around a better VM based language or tools and libraries spring up around something new like Go. Honestly if weight was thrown behind Parrot and everyone could pretty much use their language of choice to build libraries that can be called from any other language on the VM that would be ideal.
      storm14k
      • RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

        @storm14k
        M$ stealing F# code from Apache validates my point of its evil deeds.
        Linux Geek
      • RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

        @storm14k Wow do you two play with your toys together while his mommy makes lunch.
        ItsTheBottomLine
      • RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

        @Linux Geek - dude ... seriously ... do you even know what F# code looks like? Have you even seen any? If so, you'd know that F# has about as much syntactic or structural relevance to Java as Prolog does to C.

        You REALLY need to get out more.
        bitcrazed
    • RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

      @Linux Geek

      I smell the Mad Dog 20/20 you've been drinking.
      Hallowed are the Ori
    • RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

      @Linux Geek

      Get a life.
      live.tiles
    • Good god...

      @Linux Geek ...for an article on the relationship between Oracle and ASF, we got to an anti-Microsoft rant and continuation of the flame war/death match on only the second comment.
      cornpie
    • Since Java is virus who cares who kills it.

      @Linux Geek - Java has been a steaming pile of excrement from first line of garbage code to the last.

      It sucked when it was released and it sucks even more now.
      What is surprising is, it wasn't written by MS. :-)
      Reality Bites
    • RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

      @Linux Geek WOW - and you actually can feed yourself. Hey you know what -they are all aliens from space and it's a big plot to take over. Go back to your Star Wars and Lord of the Rings toys.
      ItsTheBottomLine
    • RE: Apache drops the hammer on Oracle over Java

      @Linux Geek

      Ya, ya. And ASF members are so gullible as to believe any such FUD.
      kingkong881