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Are all engineers secretly terrorists?

By | January 31, 2008, 8:50am PST

Summary: I would think that if engineers are inclined toward terrorism, then FOSS programmers are even more so-inclined. Question is what can be done about it?

Diego Gambetta, Oxford sociologistTwo Oxford dons have published a paper which claims that engineering and terrorism share a common mindset. (The lead author is Diego Gambetta, right.)

Personally I can see a closer relationship between being being an Oxford sociology professor and having your head…but I digress. (Someone needs a lesson in logic.)

The real problem is that people who know better are taking this Luddite nonsense seriously. Here’s the lead from an article in the current Foreign Policy (the whole article is behind a paid firewall):

Osama bin Laden studied engineering. So did lead 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta, 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and Ramzi Yousef, the architect of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Exceptions to the rule? Hardly. Most highprofile Islamist terrorists are, in fact, highly educated. And according to new research at Oxford University by sociologists Diego Gambetta and Steffen Hertog, most of them may be engineers.

Had they been permitted to freely study religion, or political science, don’t you think these people might be more inclined to do that? Seems to be what their chosen majors actually would have been, had they been free. Which they weren’t.

Which is the point.

This wouldn’t be so bad if policymakers weren’t actually falling prey to the nonsense. The UK, for instance, now plans to pass a law making “distribution of hacking tools” a crime. Isn’t a C++ compiler a “hacking tool” if it’s used by a hacker?

Add in the demand by some in the UK to filter the Internet for copyright, the offer by AT&T to do precisely that here, and it doesn’t take a tinfoil hat to realize that, inside this political year, there is some serious dreaming of suppression going on.

I would think that if engineers are inclined toward terrorism, then FOSS programmers are even more so-inclined. Question is what can be done about it?

Non-violent thoughts only, please.

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Ok, I gave a bad example
otaddy 2nd Feb 2008
I was wrong in my knowledge of Einstein. I just read where he renounced his German citizenship at age 17 so my example fails for yet another reason.

Thanks guys for keeping me honest.
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Some people can't be trusted
Yagotta B. Kidding 31st Jan 2008
OF COURSE engineers have the makings of terrorists. Most of our job is figuring out how things can go wrong, after all. Sure, we then go on to taking preventive steps but the fact remains that we're very much into seeing ways for stuff to go sideways, regardless of Management directives about how Nothing Can Go Worng!

The political system in contrast is based around accepting that The Program (doesn't matter which Program) is a Good Thing and not looking too closely at how the Law of Unintended Consequences will have its way. Just keep focussed on the Wonderful Things that it's intended to do.

Then along comes some engineering type and points out how we're spending billions of hard cash and lots more in wasted time by the public, damage to the air transport system, etc. for measures that have drive-a-truck-through-them vulnerabilities that can't be closed anyway. Obviously not a Team Player. Politically Unreliable. In fact, are we sure that he's not really One Of The Bad Guys?
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Both are goal directed ...
shis-ka-bob 31st Jan 2008
and both need to 'think outside the box' in order to succeed. So what? Some terrorist think that d sin(x) /dx = cos(x), so do engineers, and even scientists and mathematicians!. This is useful if you want to build an oscillator, either electronic or mechanical. An oscillator is essential to both remote detonators as well as for telecommunications. I guess engineers and terrorists do have to think alike, at least when both happen to be thinking about the same facts. I agree with you that Luddite is the best term, or at least one of the few polite terms, to apply to these authors.
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All terrorists have used Pens.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 31st Jan 2008
Let's look at all the common links between terrorists and engineers.

1) Both breath air
2) Both process organic food for energy
3) 99.9% of both know how to drive a car
4) Typically have cell phones.

I think the proof is conclusive. Perhaps even more disturbing, terrorists are looking for exposure on the world stage, just like politicians.

TripleII
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maybe I was too snarky...
DanaBlankenhorn 31st Jan 2008
I take the threats we're seeing against the Internet in the west seriously. I didn't even mention Australia's attempt to control dirty thoughts.
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Not directed at you.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 31st Jan 2008
My comment was not directed at you at all, it was directed at the author and those who came up with the "results". Carry On. grin

TripleII
politicians as the want their ideas and systems forced on people, including engineers.
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Can I file it now with the local police...
BillyG_n_SC 31st Jan 2008
Interesting article. Can I file it now with the local police in case my (engineer) wife uses it's premise against me or others in the future?
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Root Core Analysis
LadyGray 31st Jan 2008
Scanning through the paper, you could also ask if all medical people are secretly terrorists.

Basically, the paper is ignoring the basics of what terrorist organizations are all about, which is to create destruction and mayhem. As was mentioned in one of the Terminator movies, a Terminator has extensive knowledge of the human body. Why? To more effectively kill people.

If I were going to target some specific groups of people in order to have subject matter experts on how to cause the greatest amount of terror and destruction, I would choose engineers and medical people. Engineers can both build and destroy just about anything. Medical people have knowledge of what it takes to cause both physical and mental anguish in people.

The motivation is not on the part of the engineers or medical people, but on the part of the terrorist organization. What is the best tool that can be used to further that organization's goals? If you found out that mostly screwdrivers and pliers are used to build bombs, would you accuse screwdrivers and pliers of having terrorist tendencies?
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Of course...
ego.sum.stig@... 31st Jan 2008
Engineers provide "more bang for your terrorist buck" now don't they.

Personally, I think this report could be a handy dandy drop it on my bosses desk during or after my next performance/salary review kind of thing. Mind you, given his sense of humour I'd stand an even chance of either getting a raise, or being carted away by people from MI5 (or whatever MI is responsible for the care, feeding and control of possibly dodgy engineers). Hey, it'd be amusing either way...
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No, but...
John L. Ries 31st Jan 2008
...an engineering background strikes me as being helpful in planning guerrilla war, to include terrorist campaigns. Thus it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of terrorist leaders are trained engineers, but I would be surprised if many front line operatives were (zeal doesn't require technical expertise).
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What a surprise
Yagotta B. Kidding 31st Jan 2008
an engineering background strikes me as being helpful in planning guerrilla war, to include terrorist campaigns.

Now let's consider that West Point, Annapolis, and Colorado Springs are, academically speaking, engineering schools.
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All the paper proves is that the leadership, and the most well-known persons, of violent Islamic groups are more likely to be well educated. This is a surprise? The leaders of every radical movement have been the well-educated middle class. And do the authors really think that there are only 404 radical Islamists (page 8, Table 1)? The study completely ignores the thousands of anonymous foot soldiers, the hundreds of thousands of fellow travelers, and the millions of sympathizers worldwide.
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RE: Are all engineers secretly terrorists?
dragonmago@... 31st Jan 2008
Engineering likes to tinker with the way the world works, usually to make it work better of differently, however, if that knowledge is put to the ends of terrorism, that is related with people's morals, not with people's intelligence. People such as this Ganbetta bloke show the typical catholic, redneckish school of thought of "ooh, you're smarter than me, you should be burned at the stake". And well, the fact that most terrorism leaders learned their engineering studies at America, boy, does that speak well about American institutions and their quality when it comes to Ethical Education!
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plenty of nazi engineers too
reedjjjr 1st Feb 2008
The Third Reich was awash with talented engineers. Fortunately many of them were so intent on advancing science and technology that they dissipated Germany's resources on high risk projects.
The top Iraqi weapons people seem to have kept Saddam snowed. A lot of that happens here too - status reports as creative writing.
It seems most of the terrorists' arsenal at this point is more low-tech. Well, a little knowledge as they say may be a dangerous thing.
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And they came to the USA...
casse_couille 1st Feb 2008
Many of these nazi engineers, but also other 'useful' crooks like secret police etc. were taken to the USA at the end of WWII (Operation Paperclip).

Besides, the word "terrorist" is used to keep us all afraid and more willing to let our governments take away our personal freedoms.

The worst terrorists of this world are those behind the numerous false flag operations that we've witnessed lately. Just to name the events of 9/11: To me it's totally clear that every serious engineer or technically inclined person who puts some time in studying the very unexpected TOTAL collapses (and PULVERISATION) of three (3!!!) virtually bullet-proof buildings (WTC 1,2 and 7) on September 11 2001 must come to the conclusion that the worst terrorists are those liars pretending to wage this ridiculous "War on Terrorism". I guess it won't be necessary to spell their names here...

For some interesting clues:
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/
http://www.freedomtofascism.com/
http://www.endgamethemovie.com/
Full DVD's can be ordered for little or free and also found as torrents.

Z-Day - You can help: http://zeitgeistmovie.com/zday.htm
So I am not surprised by this.

As for Nazi engineers, many saw the danger and fled early on. Albert Einstein was one of them.
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About Albert...
Federico Churca Torrusio 1st Feb 2008
...he wasn?t Nazi. In fact, he fled from Nazism in WWII, and was Jewish and supported cultural Zionism.
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also...
John L. Ries 1st Feb 2008
...Einstein was not, as far as I know, an engineer. Rather, he was a theoretical physicist with little or no interest in applications, despite his work with the Swiss patent office in his youth.
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never meant to suggest he was
otaddy 2nd Feb 2008
only to say that he saw the writing on the wall and got out when the getting was good.


What does being a Zionist have to do with it though?
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Ok, I gave a bad example
otaddy 2nd Feb 2008
I was wrong in my knowledge of Einstein. I just read where he renounced his German citizenship at age 17 so my example fails for yet another reason.

Thanks guys for keeping me honest.

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