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AT&T uses open source to assure dominance

By | November 10, 2006, 10:53am PST

Summary: “We’re cutting the cost of maintenance as carriers drive us to push down costs. The only way to keep pace with those demands is to find other ways of reducing cost. Open source is the best way.”

How can anyone compete with AT&T if it has open source religion?

Someone needs to figure that out, because they do. AT&T is an investor in OpenClovis, which offers an open source application service platform for the telecom industry.

This week OpenClovis announced several projects aimed at integrating its platform with important computing resources, like databases, online transaction processing, and the like.

Vice president-marketing Subbu Iyer said that going open source shortens sales cycles and evaluation processes. The company also offers a commercial license for companies that want to build proprietary tools on the platform.

"Companies building broadband access controllers or wireless infrastructure equipment" are a major source of revenues, he said, but the software is also downloaded by carriers.

Which leads him to brag on AT&T. 

"One reason AT&T invested in us is they do see the adoption of OpenClovis software helps them drive costs down in the network." Proprietary gear costs more in the long run, because it costs more to maintain.

"We're cutting the cost of maintenance as carriers drive us to push down costs. The only way to keep pace with those demands is to find other ways of reducing cost. Open source is the best way."

Open source, you see, doesn't just work for upstarts anymore.  

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blaze1024 13th Nov 2006
OK, after going back and re-reading the post's I think I see how you came to your conclusion.

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ARE YOU SAYING DIGITAL RESEARCH HAS CRAPPY ENGINEERS WHO DONT KNOW TO CODE. Because most of the guys who worked on Windows NT were from Digital Research. Dave Cutler the architect of Windows NT is from Digital Research.
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I did not write that!

That was written by (defconvegas) I knew what he meant when he said Digital Research, I just never called him on it. A lot people mix the two up, people will say DR when they mean DEC. I've even done it, So I'm not going to exploit someones mistake when I have made the same error. Its easy to do when you are talking about things that happened 20 years ago.
So how come zdnet doesnt open source its code. There seems to be so many bugs in its website code. Open source it and like you say, the community will send in code with fixes. NOW THAT IS PROOF, DOING WHAT YOU BELIEVE, IF NOT ITS ALL HOGWASH.
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Subbu Iyer the marketing guy of Open Clovis will say whatever it takes to get a sale or will always be trumpeting the horn to get more customers.

Its stupidity of us to just believe what one trumpets without looking deeper.
Open Source is the buzz word. Its the magic pill, it will solve all problems. We'll see about that.

Meanwhile it is even incompetence and naievity shown by a tech jounalist to say whatever without giving any valid reasons.

So whats the secret of costs of maintenance going down. Give us the facts not the ********.

eg Open source will allow programmers to see code and fix errors.
So give a detailed information on how many outside programmmers provided code fixes. I'll believe then.

Proprietary software companies eg Microsoft has some of the brightest software engineers. Anyone working on a product is able to look at code. So a team of engineers look at code. Its only an ignorant person who never develops software would say only open source allows people to look at code and provide fixes.

And to show how lame the open source folks are, they keep repeating the same things like a parrot. How about providing some facts. Apparently they have no facts, they just foam at the mouth when questioned.
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I would think you where a M$ troll if you did not post such idiotic ramblings

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"Microsoft has some of the brightest software engineers. "

I laughed so hard, I almost lost my lunch!!

Do you even know what makes a good programmer? Have you ever even seen a line of code. Probably not, you sound like a 12 year old spouting off about a topic you know nothing about.

Before making a determination on what constitutes a great programmer, why don't you try your hand at writing some machine code. Or if that proves to difficult try assembly. You just might come back with a new understanding of what it takes to be a great programmer!

I have been working with computers for over 35 years! At one point in my life I though it would be more fun to go into the computer industry instead of Nuclear Physics. I ended up working for Digital Research, just about the time Bill sold his first pirated copy of software. You might have heard of it (IBM DOS). I knew Gates back in those days, the truth is not a single programmer worth their salt would work for him then or now.

Great programmer's would rather take a sledge hammer to their computers then work for Bill or the Government. That brings us to another topic, Its to bad the only way the the Government can get good programmer's is to frame poor nerd's on virus charges and then work deals to keep them out of prison. To many of the worlds finest code writers have been forced into slavery by good old Uncle Sam. ( I wonder what little treasures they have hidden) "tic tock the Snowman cometh !"


Anyhow back to the subject at hand
The best a Microsoft project can hope for is few good programmer (read NOT GREAT) a few second rate and a bunch of third rate programmer's. Why do you think they keep reworking 25 year old code. The fact is XP contains code that is over 25 years old! That's why all M$ OS's are riddled with flaws and instability. Most of these flaws are coded right smack into that giant monolithic Kernel. And that sir is why M$ will never produce a more stable operating system then Linux. M$ insists on using gigantic monolithic kernels, where as Linux utilizes a clean modular Kernel! If a module does not work as intended it is easy to replace and usually does not crash the system.

I'm sure If M$ programmers had the ability they would have reworked the XP kernel from the ground up and create a clean modular Kernel for Vista. obviously they don't that's why M$ customers are forever stuck with a legacy of instability. . One more interesting note, If M$ has such great software engineers why is it after all these years they still cant code a file system that does not need to be defragmented ?
"M$ insists on using gigantic monolithic kernels, where as Linux utilizes a clean modular Kernel!"

Why dont you look at code and design. Even Linus Torvalds will admit that Linux is a monolithic kernel.
As for Windows being a monolithic kernel, I havent seen the code, have you. If not where on what basis are you spouting out mis-information.
Lookup Windows Internals, learn programming on Windows and you'll realize that Windows has various subsystems. This definitly proves that Windows has a very modular design and is very well architected.




"Do you even know what makes a good programmer? Have you ever even seen a line of code. Probably not, you sound like a 12 year old spouting off about a topic you know nothing about. "

Yes I have seen lots of line of code. I work as a programmer (cross-platform i.e. both Windows and *nix). From what you've spouted its evident that you havent learnt much in 35 years of working with computers.
Why dont you answer what makes a good programmer first. Most likely you wont be able to give a valid answer.

" ended up working for Digital Research, just about the time Bill sold his first pirated copy of software"
ARE YOU SAYING DIGITAL RESEARCH HAS CRAPPY ENGINEERS WHO DONT KNOW TO CODE. Because most of the guys who worked on Windows NT were from Digital Research. Dave Cutler the architect of Windows NT is from Digital Research.
Dont understand your logic of how an engineer is cool, sharp and a good programmer if he works for any company (eg Digital Research) but is a second rate and third rate if he works for Microsoft.
YOUR ENTIRE REASONING & LOGIC IS THIRD RATE.


"The fact is XP contains code that is over 25 years old! That's why all M$ OS's are riddled with flaws and instability. Most of these flaws are coded right smack into that giant monolithic Kernel"
STOP LYING. Windows NT never existed 25 years back.
You can look up any *nix and it has code from the AT&T days which is over 30 years old. According to you *nix should then be CRAP
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blaze1024 10th Nov 2006
I only worked for Digital (DEC) for a few years , I was offered a position with the USAEC / NRC that I could not turn down.

as far as Monolith vs Modular
Most Unix is monolithic and when Linus first designed the Linux kernel it was designed as a monolithic Kernel, it as since evolved into a Modular Hybrid Kernel.

"Linux has the ability to load modules (modular), or be re-compiled with the required modules statically linked (Monolithic).

The most recent example of a monolithic design is seen in Vista. The WMF vulnerability has the ability to compromise the entire system. Why? Because of where the user-mode function that renders graphics is running."


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ARE YOU SAYING DIGITAL RESEARCH HAS CRAPPY ENGINEERS WHO DONT KNOW TO CODE. Because most of the guys who worked on Windows NT were from Digital Research. Dave Cutler the architect of Windows NT is from Digital Research.
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Well it looks like you know a little history, Unfortunately reading about history and living through it are completely different. Whats next? are you going to try and educate me on TMI-2 04/28/79.

I Knew David Cutler, I was also an acquaintance of Mr. Gate's I new him when he was stealing computer time to develop a Basic interpreter for Atari.

As far As David Cutler why don't you ask him what he personally thinks of the hack job M$ did to his code. The code and philosophy David brought to the NT project was revolutionary and contradictory to M$. way of thinking. Unfortunately M$ could not leave well enough alone. They had to implement there own strategies, by the time M$ engineers got done hacking it up it no longer resembled anything David would be willing put his name on! unfortunately he had no choice he was contract bound. That Sir is Microsoft at work. They screw everybody and anything, they where handed a thing of beauty and they **** on it. I personally feel bad for David, although he was not the most cordial man you could meet he was passionate. Building operating system's was his passion.

Quote from Davids book
"I must say that I did not design Windows NT -- I was merely one of the contributors to design the system."
As you can see even is his book he tries to distance himself from the project. David was a brilliant man. If M$ would have allowed him the freedom he needed, Windows NT and therefore XP would have been a far more stable system. But M$ could not leave well enough alone! You always need to keep in mind M$ main objectives. M$ main objective is not building software, its building a monopoly and David's code did not mesh well with that objective. As a result M$ hacked at NT until it fit their needs not the customers needs ! Their plan worked well, 95 percent of computer users are format locked and they don't even know it or understand why its undesirable.

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YOUR ENTIRE REASONING & LOGIC IS THIRD RATE.
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Well if my logic and reason is third rate. Then that dam third rate logic must be dam good. It was good enough to help save a few millions lives in 1979.and 1986

Although it looks as though you know some history It still appears that you need to educate yourself a bit more on kernel architect. It seems to me as though your education came from M$
Here is some light reading to help get you started

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolithic_kernel

http://www.theregister.co.uk/security/security_report_windows_vs_linux/#winvslinuxdesign
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NetArch. 13th Nov 2006
Dave Cutler headed up the VMS group at Digital Equipment Corporation. Digital Research was Gary Kildall's company that was scooped by Bill Gates and MicroSoft (that's how it was spelled at the time) to supply IBM with the system software for the IBM PC. Two entirely different companies - one the kingpin of minicomputers - the PDP series, then later VAX and Alpha, the other was the creator of CP/M - the forerunner of DOS. Even Tim Patterson of Seattle Computer Products - from whom Gates bought QDOS - admitted that QDOS derived from CP/M.

blaze, you had me going for a second that you were speaking from a position of authority, but you blew it....
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blaze1024 13th Nov 2006
OK NetArch
David Cutler worked For DEC and Gary Kildall was the founder of Digital Research whats your point?

The whole sorted affair between
Gary Kildall/ Digital Research CP/M, CP/M-86
IBM's PC-DOS
Bill Gates the Seattle Computer Products and 86-DOS, QDOS
the fact that PC-DOS / MS-DOS was basically an illegal clone of Gary Kildall's CP/M is a pretty well established part of computer history.
This is all well known, Its old news! what exactly is your point?

And what the Heck does any of it have to do with what I said about David Cutler. Windows NT, Microsoft and DEC.

I think you might be confused or maybe did not fully understand what I wrote. Or did I have a senile moment and mix up some of my facts? who knows but calling me a lier is uncalled for. I am close to 70 and that all took place quite a few years back. I was in my late 40 early 50 when I took a break from the Nuclear industry. I was burnt out, TMI-2 was a big mess and I had already spent to much time there. I decided to try something new and took on with DEC. I already had quite a bit of experience with computers and software. I help design quite a chunk of software used in reactor control. I worked for DEC for a very short time. As I was offered a position with the NRC that I just could not turn down! Shortly there after Chernobyl blew up, and I ended up spending two years over there. So as you can see during the 80 PC's where not high on my list of priority's

While everyone is so concerned with whats going on in the computer and software industry, they are overlooking far more important matters, I am glad I'm as old as I am. I won't have to worry about the nonsense that is about to become reality. Behind closed doors Bush is pushing to revitalize the Nuclear power generating industry. When Bush talks about alternative fuels and reducing this countries dependence on foreign oil. He is not talking about green energy, he is talking Nuclear!

After all the effort we have put into dismantling these Ticking time bombs he wants to build new ones. You would think that after nearly 196 Nuclear accidents in the U.S. Many of which where so close that I swear I was sweating blood. You would thing we would be eager to move to a safer alternative. What scares me the most is security. Sure the reactor might be able to withstand an aircraft strike, but the building housing the control room can't! If I was you, I would start stalking up on potassium iodide pills. Just food for thought


Have a Good Day!
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blaze1024 13th Nov 2006
OK, after going back and re-reading the post's I think I see how you came to your conclusion.

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ARE YOU SAYING DIGITAL RESEARCH HAS CRAPPY ENGINEERS WHO DONT KNOW TO CODE. Because most of the guys who worked on Windows NT were from Digital Research. Dave Cutler the architect of Windows NT is from Digital Research.
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I did not write that!

That was written by (defconvegas) I knew what he meant when he said Digital Research, I just never called him on it. A lot people mix the two up, people will say DR when they mean DEC. I've even done it, So I'm not going to exploit someones mistake when I have made the same error. Its easy to do when you are talking about things that happened 20 years ago.
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George Mitchell 11th Nov 2006
that AT&T, one of the nation's largest companies is deploying open source software. Thats a FACT. And all ZDNet is doing is reporting that FACT. They also reports facts about Microsoft too. And one of the most recent FACTS concerning Microsoft, is that they too have made a substantial investment in open source by way of Novell. So it seems that you are the one who is short on the facts.
In case anyone forgot, AT&T is part of king Duh'bya's revocation-of-privacy program in cooperation with the FBI-NSA domestic spying conspiracy. In addition, AT&T have been fighting net neutrality to allow themselves, and the FBI-NSA gestapo, the ability to monitor net traffic.

Using open source means they don't need to pay anything to use platforms like OpenClovis. That's more money that won't be used to upgrade systems that can make the net better, but to line the undeserving pockets of the politburo to assure that AT&T never needs to go under or face competition, and that control of the net will be handed exclusively to them.

Uh, oh... gotta run! I hear the Death Star outside my window!

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