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Can Google make Eclipse cool?

By | May 14, 2010, 6:29am PDT

Summary: Eclipse Labs is a Google Code repository, open to all, which lets people organically create their own projects tied to the Eclipse code base.

Eclipse has always been one of my favorite open source code repositories, but it’s about as exciting as my morning work-out.

It’s a workmanlike project. Companies share code they then use to build their own proprietary projects. It’s a professional group. Most everyone there has a job.

So Eclipse decided last year to do something about it, and that something is now online. It’s called Eclipse Labs, but it’s really a Google Code repository, open to all, which lets people organically create their own projects tied to the Eclipse code base, using either the Eclipse license or any other license supported by Google Code.

The resulting projects are not actual Eclipse projects, notes Eclipse executive director Mike Milinkovich (above).

If an Eclipse project wants to include an Eclipse Labs project they will need to go through the normal IP process. If a project wants any of these benefits they must become an Eclipse Foundation project. The details have been specified in the Eclipse Labs Guidelines.

Google itself has already migrated two projects to the new repository — Workspace Mechanic for Eclipse and Project Hosting Connector for Mylyn. Both are aimed at easing the way forward for Eclipse developers and Eclipse-related developments.

What all this says to me is that there is such a thing as the “open source mainstream,” consisting of public forges, easily understood terms, and a certain amount of outreach to freelance developers. It’s good to see Eclipse inside that mainstream.

Maybe the next time we print a picture of Milinkovich it will be without a tie. (And maybe next time he lets me interview him I’ll spell his name right.)

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Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for 30 years, a tech freelancer since 1983.

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Dana Blankenhorn has been a journalist, writer and part-time futurist for over 30 years.

At the present moment I run only a personal blog in addition to my ZDNet open source blog.

DanaBlankenhorn.Com has the subtitle The War Against Oil. In the past I have used it to write about political history, e-commerce, personal matters, some ideas related to open source, and The World of Always On, which is the idea of using sensors, motes and RFID to turn WiFi links into platforms for applications which live in the air.

My IRA account at Schwab holds a few tech shares, most notably some Intel and Applied Materials, but there are no open source companies in it. I don’t even own any CBS stock.

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Dana Blankenhorn

Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for nearly 25 years and has covered the online world professionally since 1985. He founded the Interactive Age Daily for CMP Media, and has written for the Chicago Tribune, Advertising Age's "NetMarketing" supplement, and dozens of other publications over the years.

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RE: Can Google make Eclipse cool?
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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Why does it need to be cool?
Rob Oakes 14th May 2010
Eclipse is a professional product, so who cares if it's workmanlike? It targets developers and engineers.

For that matter, that's how most professional tools are. I don't get myself worked up over Adobe Creative Suite, XCode, Final Cut Pro, or Visual Studio either. I may be excited about the projects that they are used to create, but the tools themselves ... are kind of ho hum (albeit very expensive).

So, maybe I don't understand why it needs to be (or what you mean by) "cool." That's a label that I tend to reserve for consumer products and emerging technology. And I find that it tends to wear off quickly. Which means for somethings (like phones and consumer Gizmos), it's important, but I fail to see why that should include professional tools.
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Maybe I'm a noob
ericesque 14th May 2010
@Rob Oakes and the fact that Eclipse practically writes my code for me will seem less "cool" as time goes on, but right now I hardly find Eclipse to be ho hum.

That said, I'm not sure Dana is talking about gadget "cool". I think he's talking about developer draw "cool". Getting developers excited about developing plugins for Eclipse would benefit all its users through enhanced functionality.
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edward polling Updated - 3rd Jul
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RE: Can Google make Eclipse cool?
Linux Love 28th Jun
During the Android Market session at I/O 2011, Google revealed a number of long overdue improvements to the Market such as support for larger applications (up to 4GB), the ability to sell in more countries, and new rankings to promote new and popular programs.
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RE: Can Google make Eclipse cool?
Linux Love 28th Jun
However one change requested by some developers and users was
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Linux Love 28th Jun
explicitly shot down: increasing the refund window for paid
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Linux Love 28th Jun
When the Market first opened in October 2008 it supported only
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Linux Love 28th Jun
free programs. Starting in February 2009, developers could charge
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Linux Love 28th Jun
for their apps in certain markets. To differentiate the Market from
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Linux Love 28th Jun
other stores such as the Apple App Store, users could try out paid
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Linux Love 28th Jun
apps for 24 hours before buying them. Although Google calls this a
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Linux Love 28th Jun
refund window, the way it worked is that the Market didn?t charge
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Linux Love 28th Jun
If you cancelled the purchase, no charge was made.
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Linux Love 28th Jun
The generous 24 hour trial period was removed in December last year when Google reduced the refund window to 15 minutes.
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Linux Love Updated - 7th Aug
They didnt give a good reason for the change, and questions and complaints have gone unanswered until now. Lets take a look at the ongoing reaction to the change edra to get action lost of funds from the support mobile that cca64 design from nexumbogazici country of h4nholdings great device dataseek hardware to, pclos hwdb that cloud santai this year and the reasons ipad bag blog of best sutudeg community the modern modern education news country behind it.
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@Rob Oakes I agree entirely. Visual Studio isn't exciting, Flash isn't exciting, Netbeans isn't exciting. The exciting bit is what you do with the tools, not what the tools do.

I think the opening statement tells us a lot about the article ahead:-

"Eclipse has always been one of my favorite open source code repositories,"

Favourite open source code repository?!? Huh? To me, it's an IDE. I don't want to browse other people's source code, I want to write my own with efficient tools... not "exciting" tools.

I guess we're lucky we weren't discussing Netbeans, otherwise, I suspect the first line would have been "Netbeans is my favourite online food." wink
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RE: Can Google make Eclipse cool?
zakkiromi Updated - 6th May 2011
What all this says to me is that there is such a thing as the open source mainstream, consisting of public forges, easily understood terms, and a certain amount of outreach to freelance developers. Its good to see Eclipse inside that mainstream. a b c d e f g h i j k
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@Rob Oakes Its going to take time to overtake Facebook. Years and years. Before the NYU kids get a sniff of Facebooks scale theyre going to have some gray hairs, and some of that hair they have today will be staring at them from inside their combs.
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arabaoyunlari@... 11th Aug
@Rob Oakes That is really a big question. Google's servers are the heart of Google's business. And it has long been a FEATURE, a FEATURE, not a LOOPHOLE, that one could privately modify the GPL code they use to run their business. Of course web applications are obviously SaaS. But where does one draw the line between those applications and the servers that host them? For example, take an insurance company running open source on their back end servers. At some point they decide to put a customer facing front end on those servers so that customers can access their accounts over the Net. Does that suddenly make that whole kaboodle Saas? If so, I am not sure I am comfortable with AGPL. In fact, I am not sure I am comfortable with this concept anyway since it undercuts one of the few provisions that make GPL software highly attractive to businesses that are not engaged in reselling the software itself. It really compromises the spirit of the GPL in some ways
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Nothing can make Eclipse cool.
Henry Miller 14th May 2010
It's the Swiss Army knife of programming--it does a million things, none of them as well as tools designed for the specific purposes to which you put them. Swiss Army knives are great tools, but you don't do fine wood-working or repair antique watches with them.
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kevin.cline@... 14th May 2010
Eclipse would be cool if it could be customized on the fly in a high-level language, ala Emacs.
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commandersprocket 14th May 2010
Cool is irrelevant, usable one the other hand is not. If Google can get context menus to be.. say.... context sensitive... that would be a big step in the right direction.
Coolness*Value=Perceived value=sales
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ahmadrw 15th May 2010
Since Google Code is banned in Syria due to U.S regulations, farewell Syrian Programmers, you can't take part in this!
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