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Channel ambition is not a conspiracy

By | June 22, 2009, 6:21am PDT

Summary: A monopolistic practice occurs when two sides are offering the same deal and one side gets all the business. But in this case both sides were not offering the same deal. Microsoft offered channel support, Linux a hearty handshake and rhetoric about freedom.

Dietrich H. Schmitz Dietrich T. Schmitz has posted to Groklaw a piece quoting my CompuTex coverage and claiming a dark conspiracy.

I hate to disagree, especially with someone boasting such a fine German name as Dietrich H. Schmitz Dietrich T. Schmitz(next to which Dana Blankenhorn sounds almost Irish*), but what happened at CompuTex was no conspiracy. (Note: Cut and paste, Dana. Don’t copy names from memory.)

What happened at CompuTex was channel ambition.

MSI is trying to become a brand. Microsoft’s channel support can make or break those efforts. Chairman Joseph Hsu has bet the company on a strategy of eating into HP and Dell, and Microsoft would like nothing better than to help him punish those two companies for straying from the Microsoft way.

The question is whether that is a conspiracy or sharp business elbows.

Schmitz calls it a conspiracy. Many here were enthusiastic about the possibility of the ARM chip powering Android phones and Netbooks, and saw their hopes dashed at CompuTex.

But as I noted during that show, a company gets twice as much from a PC with their brand on it as one they make for someone else. MSI needs this money to survive in a world where its Chinese partners can undercut them. The margin justifies MSI’s existence.

It is also true that Linux cannot afford a presence in the channel. It’s not how we roll. You can’t invest in retailing if your product costs nothing. There is nothing to invest. That’s why Linux and open source depend on the Internet.

A monopolistic practice occurs when two sides are offering the same deal and one side gets all the business. But in this case both sides were not offering the same deal. Microsoft offered channel support, Linux a hearty handshake and rhetoric about freedom.

There was some indication at CompuTex that Taiwanese OEMs like the rhetoric, as evidenced by the answer Li Chang gave to my own question. Given the habit of reporters there not to ask questions, and executives there not to answer them, what Mr. Li offered was a soliloquy.

But here’s the deal. There’s more to the Taiwanese market than MSI, Asus and Acer. There are literally dozens of OEMs over there looking for a taste of channel success.

What Linux needs to succeed is a way to offer more than was offered MSI.

The question is, how would you structure a deal?

* Before you send me a nastygram on the name joke, the name Blankenhorn is German, but my mom is very Irish.

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Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for 30 years, a tech freelancer since 1983.

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Dana Blankenhorn

Dana Blankenhorn has been a journalist, writer and part-time futurist for over 30 years.

At the present moment I run only a personal blog in addition to my ZDNet open source blog.

DanaBlankenhorn.Com has the subtitle The War Against Oil. In the past I have used it to write about political history, e-commerce, personal matters, some ideas related to open source, and The World of Always On, which is the idea of using sensors, motes and RFID to turn WiFi links into platforms for applications which live in the air.

My IRA account at Schwab holds a few tech shares, most notably some Intel and Applied Materials, but there are no open source companies in it. I don’t even own any CBS stock.

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Dana Blankenhorn

Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for nearly 25 years and has covered the online world professionally since 1985. He founded the Interactive Age Daily for CMP Media, and has written for the Chicago Tribune, Advertising Age's "NetMarketing" supplement, and dozens of other publications over the years.

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RE: Channel ambition is not a conspiracy
gaberdiye03 Updated - 21st Jun
@daengbo Oh, and there's a lot of channel activity in the Linux/BSD world (read the VAR Guy for some insight). Heck, RH has $1B in income from just JBoss consulting. You can't pembe maske energy balance oyna oyunu moliva orjin krem tutune son nanomatik complex 41 new fx15 expect Dana to know too much about that kind of stuff, though, because he'd never even TRIED a Linux distro until late last year.
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I'm still trying to understand....
storm14k 22nd Jun 2009
...how people had their hopes dashed about Android at Computex. If you read any of the Android sites most were quite excited about what was being shown. I'm still not sure I understand your coverage of the event as opposed to what I've seen on other sites.
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The Big Question
daengbo 23rd Jun 2009
The big question is why Asus gets on stage with MS and apologizes for showing off a polished Android/Snapdragon-based netbook that was, for all intents and purposes, ready to ship, only to have the model disappear from the floor the next day and never be seen again.

From the look of it, that's a bit more than channel competition.

Oh, and there's a lot of channel activity in the Linux/BSD world (read the VAR Guy for some insight). Heck, RH has $1B in income from just JBoss consulting. You can't expect Dana to know too much about that kind of stuff, though, because he'd never even TRIED a Linux distro until late last year.
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Dana are you still using Windows?
Dietrich T. Schmitz 24th Jun 2009
nt
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Someone gets it.
Dietrich T. Schmitz Updated - 24th Jun 2009
Dana doesn't. And I don't think Dana has furthered his passing interest in Linux, so how would we expect him to grasp some of the more subtler nuances of what is happening.

The information he is 'writing' on Open Source is at times on the mark but otherwise seasoned with regurgitated processed facts which cleverly avoid revealing his ignorance and lack of technical insight.

There's a reason why the ASUS VP 'apologized'. It's 'heavy-handed' MS-OEM contract enforcement of 'coercive' language terms that provokes this kind of behavior. Nothing else explains it. It doesn't make sense to apologize otherwise.
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RE: Channel ambition is not a conspiracy
edward polling Updated - 4th Jul
Section 5 of the FTC Act addresses various abuses which may cause consumers to be put in harms way by manufacturers education news and practices deemed ipad bag blog sutudeg pclos hwdb illegal. l
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RE: Channel ambition is not a conspiracy
gaberdiye03 Updated - 21st Jun
@daengbo Oh, and there's a lot of channel activity in the Linux/BSD world (read the VAR Guy for some insight). Heck, RH has $1B in income from just JBoss consulting. You can't pembe maske energy balance oyna oyunu moliva orjin krem tutune son nanomatik complex 41 new fx15 expect Dana to know too much about that kind of stuff, though, because he'd never even TRIED a Linux distro until late last year.
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RE: Channel ambition is not a conspiracy
zakkiromi Updated - 15th May 2011
Given the habit of reporters there not to ask questions, and executives there not to answer them, what Mr. Li offered was a soliloquy. k
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My Mom, God rest her soul, was Irish also.
Dietrich T. Schmitz 22nd Jun 2009
That makes us 'mutts' Dana.
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DOJ Wake Up!
Dietrich T. Schmitz Updated - 22nd Jun 2009
Taken from the GrokLaw article:

"Is there no regulatory body that can get Microsoft's fat fanny off of Linux so it can get some air? Instead the DOJ are investigating *Google*? What Microsoft is reportedly doing is a pimple on the antitrust regulators' noses. We see it. Why can't you? Where are you? Please don't wait until Linux is totally crushed.

Let us customers choose what we prefer from a fair and even playing field, please. I'd like to buy the products that are being squashed. A lot of us would like to. And we are not being allowed to get the products that we desire. I don't want Microsoft software. I'd like a choice. And I shouldn't have to buy a netbook with Microsoft on it and install Linux myself. I will, but I should not have to."


The Linux horse keeps getting shot at the starting gate.

Something is wrong with how the channel works.
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So what is the problem?
GuidingLight 22nd Jun 2009
Just an observation:

Linux, by design, is free. The "channel" is, and allways has been, about money, not who is paying who for the priviledge of shipping thru the channel.

You cannot claim that something is broke because it does not fit your product, instead you have to look at your product and see where it fits in the world.

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The Windows Tax
Dietrich T. Schmitz 22nd Jun 2009
No one should have to pay for Windows if they don't want it on the PC they purchase.

There are no alternatives PC SKUs with Linux in the channel for Retail Walk-In Point of Sale that consumers can choose. Nor can they buy in the same setting a bare-bones PC with no O/S.

How PCs are sold in the channel insofar as how it hinders consumer choice is 'the problem'.
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sure about that?
JT82 22nd Jun 2009
Last I checked Dell offers the 'N' sku on select computers - thus eliminating this "windows tax" you allege.
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Reread
Dietrich T. Schmitz 22nd Jun 2009
'Retail Walk-In Point of Sale'.
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Retail and marketshare
dpalley 22nd Jun 2009
Retail is all about marketshare. Retail outlets have limited shelf space. The market for pc's with no OS is tiny -- most consumers won't install their own OS.

That's why you only see Windows PC's in retail, but do see them offered on-line where shelf space is not an issue.

Dan
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Consumers are NOT given the choice
Dietrich T. Schmitz Updated - 22nd Jun 2009
The point is consumers *should* be given the choice as to which O/S they want installed on their PC.

Based on the consumer's decision, a PC Technician can install (Ghost) a hard drive in relative short order, or, simply stock preimaged drives that can be installed in minutes while the customer waits.

Brick and Mortar Retailers make shelf space for what they sell.
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where is your store?
john-whorfin 22nd Jun 2009
Dietrich,
As the owner of a Retail Walk-In Point of Sale
I am sure you offer your customers an array of
choices in operating systems, and absorb the
cost of the employees who install this software
and run the support desks. Other retailers
choose not to absorb this expense.

The fact is that if enough consumers want
something there will be a place for them to buy
it. If nobody wants it then retailers will not
stock the product. Windows w/o media player and
bacon flavored ice-cream could be just as
popular as any shade of Linux, but you never
see them on the shelf for sale.
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No coincidence
Dietrich T. Schmitz 22nd Jun 2009
I submit that the fact you cannot find one SKU in the U.S. for a 'Dual Core or better' PC with Linux or No O/S installed in a Brick and Mortor Retail PC store is symptomatic.

OEMs like Dell, HP do sell varied machines with Linux preinstalled purchasable on the Internet, but NOT in walk-in stores.

A 'spineless' VP for ASUS 'apologizing' to MS for demoing a Netbook with Qualcomm's Snapdragon ARM processor on the first day of Computex 2009 and then pulling the product off of the floor never to be seen again for the remainder of Computex is a backlash from a call placed by MS.

Does MS have language in their OEM contracts that is 'coercive'? That might explain the ASUS VP's behavior. They are afraid of legal/economic repercussions if they make MS unhappy.

This does nothing to benefit the consumer whose right to choice is being harmed.

No alternative choices leaves consumers with an Apple product tied to Apple Hardware or any other PC SKU with Microsoft Windows preinstalled.

Given the perceived risk assumed by consumers who use Windows to go on the Internet, I would submit that consumers all the more need alternatives to Windows.

Because MS-OEM agreements are protected by Non-Disclosure Agreements, no one knows their content but an inquiry into the matter ought to be considered by the DOJ who still babysit a watch on MS for their prior Antitrust violations.

The FTC could act on this as a matter of real risk (care for a Conficker anyone?) to the consumer who is forced to use Windows vs a SAFER alternative O/S such as Ubuntu Linux. Section 5 of the FTC Act addresses various abuses which may cause consumers to be put in harms way by manufacturers practices deemed illegal.

Thanks
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No MS conspiracy here
dpalley 22nd Jun 2009
I agree. People feel that the lack of non-MS PC's in retail stores is a result of MS preventing them from being stocked, which is ridiculous.

The truth is that stores stock what they can sell and not many consumers want to buy a non-Windows PC.

There are stores by me, i.e. Fry's, where I can buy a bare-bones PC with no OS installed, but I don't think we'll see this in Best Buy any time soon.

Dan
Saying you 'saw' doesn't count.

Reread my criteria above and provide a link to the advertisement url.

You won't.

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So you have no store, just a big mouth...
john-whorfin 23rd Jun 2009
Brick and mortar retailers stock what sells. Linux
does not sell, so it does not get stocked.
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ad hominem is usually what happens when I make a point
Dietrich T. Schmitz 23rd Jun 2009
that is irrefutable.

and here it is once again.

You attack because you have no argument.
You lose.
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Still peddling this theory eh?
Joeman57 23rd Jun 2009
The linux horse doesn't have the money to get in the channel nor to stay there. Simple really.
Have you filed a complaint for your theory? Better yet, have you consulted a lawyer? You should do that and get straightened out.
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RE: Channel ambition is not a conspiracy
DannyO_0x98 22nd Jun 2009
Isn't the paradox that Microsoft only offers channel support
while Linux is an option?

So, perhaps, the game is taking Redmond's money while it's
available and if it dries up...
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Yes................
spartan2276 26th Jun 2009
I have a feeling that is exactly what is going to happen. They can't keep this up for ever. For their sake lets hope they pumped enough money in to corrupt media and their corrupt journalist to hype up Windows 7. If this fails I'm afraid MicroSoft will be doing some heavy restructuring for sure.

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