Debian Linux was important: Will it continue to be?
Summary: Calm down folks, I didn’t say Debian Linux hasn’t been important, what I wonder is how long it will stay important?
When I asked the rhetorical question, “Is Debian Linux still relevant?" I knew I’d cause a ruckus. But, I also felt the question needed to be asked: For Debian’s own good.
Seriously.
Not everyone, to no surprise, agrees with me. My buddy Joe “Zonker” Brockmeier wrote, “Debian has never been a user-friendly distribution, or one that was really targeted at a mainstream audience. Debian 6.0 continues a long tradition of shipping a brand-new stable release that is already outdated, with little to appeal to new users.”
Really? That’s not how I see it. Debian has always tried to stay true to its Social Contract, but it community of developers have also strived to make it a popular distribution as well. To quote from Debian 6.0’s news release, “Debian once again stays true to its goal of being the universal operating system. It sounds to me like they want both old and new users.
It’s getting those new users that’s one of my main concerns. I found Debian 6.0, and it sounds like Joe did too, to not be very new user friendly at all. And, without new users, how will Debian continue to get new developers? How long can Debian keep going without fresh blood? I think the Debian community needs to re-think its approach lest it start declining.
Joe continued, “Debian doesn't get enough credit here, anyway. Yes, Ubuntu has appealed to a wider audience than Debian ever did — but it was Debian that inspired Mark Shuttleworth in the first place to create Ubuntu.”
He’ll get no argument from me. Debian, albeit many Debian developers wanted no part of Ubuntu, is Ubuntu’s father and mother. Without Debian there would have been no Ubuntu. Period. End of statement.
Then was then, this is now.
Would Ubuntu, and all its related Linux distributions, and other distributions, such as MEPIS, be able to keep going now without Debian. I think so. Oh they wouldn’t like it one darn bit, but they could do it.
Brockmeier also talked about the importance of the Debian community—the only real, large Linux community without any corporate backing—and how “if 2010 taught us anything, it's that having a single corporate sponsor can lead to a lot of uncertainty at best and total disruption at worse.” True, being tied to a company can be a problem. Just ask the OpenSolaris crew who were dumped by Oracle.
Being tied to an open-source community can be a pain too. Debian has seen its share of civil wars over the years Lest we forget Ian Murdock, one of Debian’s co-founder, has said of some of the Debian community;s choices, such as renaming Firefox Iceweasel, “This is so maddeningly stupid I’m embarrassed to be even remotely associated with this.” Ian’s not Debian’s biggest fan any more and doesn’t that say something when a co-founder wants nothing to do with his own community?
I must also say that, somehow, Debian has managed to overcome these difficulties time after time. Perhaps that’s in part because of what Larry Cafiero, a Free/Open Source Software (FOSS) advocate, calls Debian’s “’We’ll release it when it’s good and ready’ release cycle."
So, sure Debian has been very important, I would even say absolutely vital, to Linux... in the past. But, unless Debian starts a concerted effort to appeal to a broader audience, I fear even it’s utility as a foundation to other, more popular versions of Linux in the future is going to erode, never mind gathering a larger, new audience of developers or end-users.
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RE: Debian Linux was important: Will it continue to be?
Loverock is not important: Will it continue to be?
Loverock Davidson comments never were important and never will be
Steven, I agree that it's importance as a stand-alone OS is diminishing,
RE: Debian Linux was important: Will it continue to be?
That's my main worry.
Steven
RE: Debian Linux was important: Will it continue to be?
Debian has no shortage of quality devs around the world. Debian is and always will be very important. Despite it not having the latest and greatest packages it is stable and rock-solid. Most people using Debian on their everyday boxes aren't using stable anyway. They tend to run the pretty stable 'testing' or sid. Without Debian there may not have been an Ubuntu or any number of other great Debian derivatives.
While my desktops and notebooks get Mint KDE I use Debian on the server precisely because of it's stability. Aside from security updates I don't have to worry about it. It just works.
Debian IS important and it will continue to be.
RE: Debian Linux was important: Will it continue to be?
RE: Debian Linux was important: Will it continue to be?
The Firefox/Iceweasel FUD is getting tiresome.
Yes, Just One of Those Things
Thank you for pointing this out again. This situation is not due to any unreasonableness or stupidity on Debian's or Mozilla's part. It's just impossible for Debian to maintain Firefox in the Debian stable branch as Firefox. Debian would either have to violate the 'only security/breakage updates' policy for stable, or get a free pass from Mozilla to distribute non-Mozilla created updates with a Firefox logo. Neither of those things is going to happen, so Debian stable ends up with a Firefox fork instead of Firefox. Of course, it's possible to install Firefox on a Debian box if you really want the latest version.
Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols Presents false choices
Instead of framing the importance in past tense (already presenting a bias) and then using that to ask a yes/no question, this simplistic and fallacious choice ignores many other possibilities.
A far more relevant question would be to ask "<i>How is Debian Linux' importance evolving/changing?<i>"
Not a bad topic at all, just (once again) poor writing.
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RE: Debian Linux was important: Will it continue to be?
wrong place
wrong place
these boards ARE MESSED UP!!
RE: Debian Linux was important: Will it continue to be?
RE: Debian Linux was important: Will it continue to be?
I am a CentOS user (desktop and server), which may be even more outdated/stable than Debian, because most of the time my PRIORITY is stability.
Sometime I dual-boot to Ubuntu "stable" (currently 10.4) for graphical/sound editing etc. Fedora is way to unstable for my usage, but a gorgeous playing ground from which I pick up RPMs to be rebuilt for CentOS/RHEL.
I guess nobody can understand until he really needs it why you would prefer something less comfortable but more predictable.
Then there is Debian, the "universal operating system".
I write it here almost shaking from emotion: they do an incredible job. Again, I'm not a regular Debian user, but this is something very important to have a Linux distribution that you simply can deploy ANYWHERE. The universality and robustness of Debian is one of the biggest guarantee of freedom on the operating system market, today and tomorrow.
The day I finally could install Debian ARM on my Google phone G1, just for the sake of doing it, I just thought : "Damn, I am free!" (as in free speech, not free beer...).
Steve, Debian is a foundation
Ubuntu uses the unstable branch.
If patent attacks start against Linux like I think they will, thankfully Debian has chosen to stick to their FOSS principles.
That, to some extent leaves Distros who use proprietary blobs potentially at risk.
God Bless the Debian Community