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Firefox 4 beta 4 out today, feature complete beta 6 slated for Sept 10

By | August 24, 2010, 11:47am PDT

Summary: The Mozilla team released the fourth beta of Firefox 4 today but don’t expect feature freeze code until September. According to meeting notes posted today, the team aims to release beta 5 this Friday and is aiming to post the feature-frozen beta 6 on September 10. The project — which held its weekly meeting here today — [...]

The Mozilla team released the fourth beta of Firefox 4 today but don’t expect feature freeze code until September.

According to meeting notes posted today, the team aims to release beta 5 this Friday and is aiming to post the feature-frozen beta 6 on September 10.

The project — which held its weekly meeting here today — will consider adding new features until August 27 but the intent is to wrap up work on the three core elements for Firefox 4: delivering high performance, a compelling user experience to drive upgrades and JetPack SDK, which is the SDK that allows developers to use advanced web technologies to create Firefox add-ons.

Those three priorities have been addressed but some of the other code developed since 3.6 may be moved to 4.1 or 4.5 to enable a speedy delivery of version 4.

“Beyond those three things, nothing can make us delay Firefox 4 any longer than we have to,” said one lead Mozilla developer on the call, who added that there are tons of new features in Firefox 4 that will make it a strong rival to forthcoming competitors IE9 and Chrome 5. “It’ll be a huge step for us.”

Hardware acceleration is expected to be on by default by beta 5.

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    Loverock Davidson
    24th Aug 2010
  • RE: Firefox 4 beta 4 out today, feature complete beta 6 slated for Sept 10
    The Mozilla team released the fourth beta of Firefox about it is bank that website attacked from the site support from any soldier site to the light home page is great 4
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    musdahi
    19th Sep
  • RE: Firefox 4 beta 4 out today, feature complete beta 6 slated for Sept 10
    I am really liking the hardware acceleration. Tab Candy still needs work but I can see it been very useful already.
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    waldenasta
    24th Aug 2010
  • RE: Firefox 4 beta 4 out today, feature complete beta 6 slated for Sept 10
    Perpetual Beta, what is the go, when (if ever) are they going to release REAL freaking versions. Or is calling it a 'beta' just some excuse to allow more than the usual number of flaws and bugs in the release.

    What is the go with upgrades and software additions on beta versions ? I thought you developed software, then you test it, then you release it. What are we to be the 'test subjects' for crappy coding principles ?

    Anyone ever watch "Code Rush" interesting doco about mozilla, in those days there were interested in patents, copyright and BUG COUNTS, they would not release if the code was buggy, they even tracked it and worked hard to resolve problems BEFORE RELEASE, not after.

    That is the basic problem with FOSS in general, its the lets experiment on the user, to find our bugs.

    And when bugs are brought to our attention, we flop about, triage it and try to make a 'work around'. NO, they dont sent that code back to the guy who wrote it and tell him to fix it and resubmit.

    When was the last 'code review' meetings for any FOSS project, what software testing suites are empoloyed, what unit testing, requirements documentation and what correct software engineering procedues and practices are employed.

    It seems FOSS is still as it has always been, you just keep trying different things until something works, have enough people trying enough different things and one day something will 'sort of' work as intended. Great,, commit..

    And if you dont think this is the way it 'works' for FOSS just have a look at the massive list of KNOWN bugs on the Ubuntu web site, last I looked it was approaching 60,000 KNOWN bugs, and who knowns how many unknown ones.

    Considering the list is getting larger not smaller and the fact that most bugs will go undetected until the most critical time, means that 60,000 figure is actualy low compared to reality.

    Linux has about as many parts as a modern jet liner, except the jet has a higher number of "DIFFERENT" components. Software components are basically limited to machine instructions code, and whatever interpreter ontop of that.

    Yet a modern jet aircraft with more complexity than Linux and GNU will have possibly 1 or 2 or very few UNKNOWN BUGS and ZERO KNOWN ONES..

    Why is there such a huge difference, one reason is the methodology of FOSS development, its 'hacking' of the worst kind, you hack away at a problem and hope you stumble on the 'fix'.

    Very little in the way of specification, functionality or requirements documentation.

    No quality control,

    Perpetual Beta, (expecting users to be testers, and not users).

    But I digress, basically you should not have whole number version that is 'beta', and be announcing the next beta.

    (dont you remember the rule, NEVER USE Beta software)..
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    Aussie_Troll
    25th Aug 2010
  • So much written...
    ...so little said. wink
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    bandersnatch42vt
    26th Aug 2010
  • Will my add-ons work in this version...
    ... or the next version ...

    ... or the next version ...

    ... or the final version ...

    ... or are all of my add-ons permanently broken?

    If they are, i will *not* be upgrading.
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    fairportfan
    25th Aug 2010
  • Beta 4 seems to be very buggy...
    It's crashed on me some six or seven times already today.

    It also has a problem with more than one window open where, if I open a tab in a window, FF tosses that tab into the first window instead of the currently open window. That's a huge annoyance.

    I don't think that FF4 beta 4 is ready for primetime (yeah, I know that it's beta), but if FF4 beta 6 is supposed to contain all the new features before the production version, I don't see how they're going to fix all the problems they're having now before the Sept 10 release of FF4 beta 6.

    This FF4 beta 4 is the most buggy FF I've ever worked with and I'm getting ready to stop being a guinea pig.
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    adornoe@...
    25th Aug 2010
  • Yep! I gave up and went back to FF 3.6.
    @adornoe@...

    FF 4 beta 4 was crashing too much and I couldn't get anything done.
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    adornoe@...
    25th Aug 2010
  • Yep! I gave up and went back to FF 3.6.
    @adornoe@...

    Beta 4 was crashing too much and I couldn't get anything done.
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    adornoe@...
    25th Aug 2010
  • RE: Firefox 4 beta 4 out today, feature complete beta 6 slated for Sept 10
    It should be interesting to see what beta 6 will look like. I have been experimenting with the nightlies, and seeing what works and what breaks.

    Now, to some of the posters who have preceded me, it is painfully obvious that you do not understand the purpose of beta testing. So, if you were students, and I were a teacher; this is what I would have to say to you:

    `Shut up, and pay attention. You will be tested on this subject.`

    The purpose of releasing a PUBLIC BETA test of software is to expose the code to far more users with many more variables than a test suite can include. Code is run on differing O/Ses, machines with different processors, memory capabilities, screen sizes, word length, etc, and most importantly, user expectations. Part of the reason for beta testing is to see how assumptions made by the developers are received by the users. You can develop all kinds of `whiz-bang` features, but if they are not implemented well, then users will complain.

    Another purpose of beta testing to to find things that do not work, and fix them (aka BUGS). Thus, if you are not willing to deal with problems, then, for God's sake, do not use beta software. Stay with the current release, and leave beta testing to the adults.

    Class dismissed!!!

    OH, BTW, your grade - FAIL

    Now, one area that has seen a lot of discussion on the Mozilla Labs Test Pilot forums is the use of screen real estate. many are calling for better utilization of the vertical space, especially those with small screens like netbooks and laptops. Some are calling for Firefox to look more `Chrome like, with minimal title, text menu, address bar, tab space usage at the top of the screen. I feel the best thing the developers can do is to make Firefox as flexible as possible to allow users to turn off which of those features they do not need. The best way to get this point across is to post forum comments that are reasoned, and do not smack of petty complaints. I have seen too many posts that amount to nothing more that a rant, or more succinctly put, a b---- session.

    Just to drive this point home, I am writing this post using beta 4, and have already used today's (8-25-10) nightly earlier.

    It is about time some of you grow up!
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    fatman65535
    25th Aug 2010
  • RE: Firefox 4 beta 4 out today, feature complete beta 6 slated for Sept 10
    @fatman65535 Well said! It is expected that BETA software will have bugs. Evidently not everyone is aware of that simple fact.
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    neverhome
    25th Aug 2010
  • RE: Firefox 4 beta 4 out today, feature complete beta 6 slated for Sept 10
    @fatman65535 - Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't run the betas, personally; I run nightly builds, which theoretically should be more buggy and less stable. They rarely crash on me, however. I have the current release installed as well, so I have a fallback in case I get a bad nightly build, but that hasn't happened in a long time.

    I think the reason for all the betas is experience - in the past, they've gotten to the release candidate stage, thought they had something stable enough to release, and boom! Piles of crash reports came in when large numbers installed the RC. So now they're releasing more beta builds, earlier in the process, to get more users testing sooner.
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    Greenknight_z
    26th Aug 2010
  • Beta 5 release now scheduled for Monday,...
    ...Aug 30th.

    I've been following the Mozilla.dev group (Google group) on a daily basis and just so everyone knows, the beta 5 release has been moved up to above date. Just FYI.

    Also, there's a ton of work going on for finalizing the code with a huge push scheduled for next week. Mozilla has done a major revamp to it's development process and it seems to be working quite a bit better than before. As a long time tester for new Thunderbird and Firefox versions, this new development process (which has actually been a work in progress for a couple of years now) is breath of fresh air and although one of the aspects of this new process has resulted in a significantly longer beta period, the overall result will be a much more stable and bug free browser once it's released.

    And yes, releasing beta builds to the public for user testing is an excellent part of the development process as "testing in the lab" (so to speak) under controlled conditions by a limited amount of personnel simply is an entirely different thing when compared to "testing in the field" by thousands of end users who are savvy enough to find problems, do a bit of troubleshooting, check the forums and file bug reports. Both types of testing are vital of course, you can't just depend on one type.

    Mozilla has also taken the extra step of allowing the less tech savvy users a chance to join in testing the up and coming Firefox 4 by adding the new "Feedback" system and regularly occurring "Test Pilot" studies that are currently built in to the Firefox 4 betas.

    And, as has been already stated many times before, it's beta software which means that it's probably going to be buggy and unstable. If you're not comfortable with this and are not prepared to be a tester, don't install it.
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    bandersnatch42vt
    26th Aug 2010

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