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In netbook market, Wintel monopoly healthier than ever

By | June 1, 2009, 11:57pm PDT

Summary: Booth personnel I talked with basically confirmed what I wrote about this in May, that there is a price lower than free. Microsoft can pull demand through Best Buys and Fry’s with collateral, promotion, and other marketing aids. No Linux vendor has the money to compete with that.

I am filing this week from CompuTex, the Taiwan computer show. (Think Comdex, written in Chinese.)

I came here in search of successors to the Linux Laptops I wrote about here a year ago.

What I found was that the makers of those laptops, Asus and MSI, have switched entirely to Windows.

Microsoft has one of the largest exhibits at this show, as large as Asus and MSI’s own stands. The three companies seem to have embraced the fourth floor of the Nangang Convention Center, one of four halls housing the latest from Taiwan and the rest of the Far East.,

The two Taiwanese companies are taking different approaches.

  • Asus is sticking with the same basic footprint as before, but offering larger keyboards on units where it has larger 10 inch screens. It is also adding more flash memory to keep prices in the $4-600 range they held last year,.
  • MSI sees netbooks as the bottom of a laptop push. It’s offering very thin models (think MacBook Air), with much wider screens, along with large keyboards and space near the front to rest your wrists. Weight starts at a little over 3 pounds, rising to just 4, and these should over time become true laptop replacements.

I was told by another show visitor, a Chinese-Canadian, that there was a speaker on Monday talking up the Android operating system on ARM chipsets, but the battle appears to be over on netbooks running the Intel Atom chip. Microsoft won.

Booth personnel I talked with basically confirmed what I wrote about this in May, that there is a price lower than free. Microsoft can pull demand through Best Buys and Fry’s with collateral, promotion, and other marketing aids. No Linux vendor has the money to compete with that.

As a result both Asus and MSI look as much like conventional PC vendors as HP and Dell as you can possibly look. In stores this Christmas they may be their successors, because their netbooks look really good.,

But the old Wintel monopoly, for now, is healthier than ever.

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Two words: Android Netbooks nt
freetulisten 29th Jul 2009
nt
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Smartphone functionality on Netbooks
linuser Updated - 2nd Jun 2009
The next generation of netbooks (aka smartbooks) are likely to include hardware typically found in smartphones (i.e. touchscreen, 3G, GPS, accelerometer, compass, etc.). This hardware will enable smartphone functionality like location-based services, cell phone calls, SMS, automatic screen rotation, etc.

Desktop OSes don't support all of this new functionality, so smartphone OSes, like Android, are likely to be utilized.

Mobile operators are likely to favor smartbooks like these, because they can generate revenue from:

1. data contracts.
2. phone calls & SMS.
3. app purchases (e.g. operators get a cut from Android Market app sales).
4. value-added apps & services that leverage the capabilities of these "smartphone-like" devices.

Netbooks running a desktop OS don't offer these same revenue opportunities, for the operators.
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One comment...
Qbt 2nd Jun 2009
Desktop OSes don't support all of this new functionality, so smartphone OSes, like Android, are likely to be utilized.

Keep dreaming...
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My first install of Windows, version 1.10, was on an HP 150 TouchScreen computer. I added a mouse but for the first week or so used only the touchscreen. And that was in the late 80ies.
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Two words: Android Netbooks nt
freetulisten 29th Jul 2009
nt
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RE: Netbook market looks lost to Microsoft
shellcodes_coder 2nd Jun 2009
That's because very few care about LinSux (Geek and pro wannabes like 'Linux Geek' etc) LOL
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RE: Netbook market looks lost to Microsoft
Randoer@... 11th Jun 2009
Very few care about or even know about linux because of the MS flag waving and lack of unbiased education about operating systems. Very few realize the power of the linux/unix operating systems and the small amount of space they require to operate in vs MS.

As another posting pointed out....look at the pros and cons of each system before you decide but don't slam any one of them. What you don't like may be the best thing for someone else.

For a netbook computer it seems that linux would be the perfect fit due to its power and small size vs the large size of MS.
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Funny...
914four 18th Jun 2009
90% of the people who have used my Asus Eee PC never even realize it runs Linux. And a lot of people have tried the thing, it gets a lot of attention.
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RE: Netbook market looks lost to Microsoft
obvio.capitao@... 2nd Jun 2009
"Booth personnel I talked with basically confirmed what I wrote about this in May, that there is a price lower than free."

Don't worry, Dana.

That simply means that Microsoft is *paying* to have Windows in netbooks.

Don't forget that they have slashed their prices, initially to $15, but now, even below that. (Can you get an exact figure from Asus or MSI? That would be very interesting.)

But even Microsoft can't afford that low price forever. They have almost 100,000 employees worldwide, and their shareholders have high expectations.

What will happen when they try to increase their prices to $50 or $100?

People will keep buying XP while it is available for free, and then we'll see Microsoft competing with Linux.
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Win7 may cause a shift
daengbo Updated - 2nd Jun 2009
I declared that Linux lost the war about three months ago. As a Linux advocate, making that statement hurt, but it's true. There are several reasons for it.

The "lower than free" doesn't necessarily imply XP is being given away (though the word on the street is that large OEMs get it for $15). It may mean that the bundled trial-ware and share-ware creates an income for the OEM which is not available on Linux.

Another major factor is that the netbook market is no longer selling netbooks: the newer products are low-cost notebooks. Then name netbook gives away the intended purpose of the product -- to check e-mail and do browser-based stuff. People have decided they expect a laptop replacement, with word processing, a keyboard they can type on for hours, and even (unbelievably) photo editing software. These needs have driven the RAM up from 256MB to 1 or 2GB (only 1GB if MS has its say), have exchanged small SSDs for spinning HDs lots of space, and have pushed the price into the $4-600 range. Manufacturers are happy to get out of a race to the bottom.

When Win7 comes out, it is expected to cost $50 for the netbook (SE) version. That price point puts it out of the sub-$300 market, but I'm not sure that there's a lot of money to be made at the bottom of the market.

I'm still looking forward to the ARM Cortex, Loongsoon/MIPS, and XCore86 stuff that's coming out the end of this year. I just hope it makes it into Korea without being tariffed to infinity.
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Every operating system has its advantages and
disadvantages so dont just bash one, look at each
one.

Linux allows for more creativity and its open to
anyone who would like to try their hand and creating
their own perfect OS. Also larger developing user
base can write patches quickly.

Disadvantage : The OS is not mainstream and lack of
software compatibility in the commercial market

Windows is good for compatibility for the mass of
software and its much more known to the mainstream.
Easy to navigate.

Disadvantage : The #1 reason it gets nailed with many
viruses and other variants. Also closed source, you
see what you get. Windows also must try to make
itself compatible and stable on 1000s of different PC
configurations.

Apple Macs are great for sound and video editing. I
know many DJs who use them and also because of its
smaller OS footprint in the world, less viruses and
variants exist for it. The OS is developed for the
hardware it manufactures so stability is a major plus

Disadvantage : Lack of major mainstream software
compatibility. Closed source and OS is only developed
for itself.

I hate it when people just come and says something
"Sucks". Look deeper, or is typing to stressful or
your hands and fingers?
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You always have the EC to fall back on
NonZealot Updated - 2nd Jun 2009
Don't worry Dana, if people won't buy Linux netbooks in the competitive market, you could always force people to buy Linux netbooks in the legislative market.
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Very True.
Fark 2nd Jun 2009
Tragic - but true.
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Hey Fark.
kozmcrae 3rd Jun 2009
ProTip: No need to feign sympathy. We know how you really feel.
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Wrong.
kozmcrae Updated - 2nd Jun 2009
They wouldn't/couldn't do that. Now please, I want to hear more of your idiotic verbiage so tell me why the EC/EU can do and act as Microsoft does.
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LMAO
Hallowed are the Ori 2nd Jun 2009
Ain't that the sad and sorry truth?
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Good point
ITLeader 4th Jun 2009
Maybe they'll try to make MS put linux on a windows disk and attempt to force ms to distribute competing OS's! Just a continuation of the lame EC tactics happy
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LOL - how true...nt
TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters 18th Jun 2009
nt
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A few serious points
Economister Updated - 2nd Jun 2009
1. MS is currently dominating the netbook market in the western industrialized world. No question about it.

2. MS accomplished this by essentially buying the market. No question about that either, although after buying a Linux netbook (currently running XP) that would connect to the web, but not to my home network out of the box, I do not think MS had a particularly difficult battle on its hands. If that is a buyer's first experience with Linux, the netbook will be returned in most cases. Idiots.

3. "but the battle appears to be over on netbooks running the Intel Atom chip. Microsoft won." This is a rather mindless and silly assertion, because the netbook market is such a new category. The battle on the desktop has not even been won. MS was there first, is the dominant leader, but Linux is growing long term, albeit slowly. Linux will become successful in developing countries first and then spread. The netbook battle has just begun, and the ultimate victor remains to be seen. Besides, victory against MS is a relative term. 10 to 20% worldwide for Linux would be a victory. If you have a victor, you also have a looser. The only thing for certain about Linux is that it is not going away, therefore it cannot have lost.

4. To all you mindless fanboys and "mine is better (bigger) than yours" crowd who keep posting the same pointless garbage over and over again: If you do not have anything interesting or constructive to say, then say nothing. If you knew how absolutely imbecilic you make yourselves look, you would truly feel embarrassed. But that would of course require a certain level of maturity and perspective....
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Care to explain how MS bought the market?
NonZealot Updated - 2nd Jun 2009
First you would have to prove that MS is losing money on netbooks. Considering that XP is now 2 versions old, the $15/license (if that is what they are charging) is pretty much pure profit. Note that making less profit is not the same as buying a market.

Next you go on to admit that, well, Linux actually lost this one because the Linux netbooks weren't as good as the XP netbooks. This concedes the point that MS deserves to dominate and that if Linux netbooks (in their current form) dominated, you would have to admit that the inferior product (in its current form) won.

As for your other points, I basically agree. I have used Linux for a while now and have nothing but good things to say about it. My Linux home server was rock solid, my MythTV wasn't totally trouble free but was very functional, and the only complaint I could have about my Linux desktop is that it didn't support the games that I played, hardly a damning comment.

However, Linux is losing (or gaining very slowly) because of Linux, not because of Microsoft. (Edit: Linux isn't doing great in the consumer market which is what this blog is about. Linux is doing quite well on the server and even on the corporate desktop. I want to make that distinction before people start throwing out LAMP statistics.) Linux is competing in a market based economy and expects to win without doing any marketing and, as you admit, by unleasing inferior products on consumers. Whether that is because Linux can't be configured properly (I don't believe this is true) or not a single company has been able to configure Linux properly (also difficult to believe), it doesn't change the fact that Linux's slow (sometimes negative) growth can't be blamed on anyone but "Linux". What I find most ironic about Linux is that the thing that makes it so strong (there is no corporate body behind "Linux") is exactly what makes it so difficult for it to compete in a market based economy.

You felt that my EC comment was useless but I stand by it. Linux, the way it is currently being handled, can only win if the government dictates to consumers that it must win. Personally, I hope someone will step up to the plate, invest the money, and win the battle by marketing this fantastic OS.
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Spot on, NZ (nt)
kfan 2nd Jun 2009
nt
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Yup
914four 18th Jun 2009
you would have to admit that the inferior product (in its current form) won. Yup, just like VHS over Beta and 100Base-T over 100VG. The winner is not the better product but the one that has the most marketing dollars behind it.

What I find most ironic about Linux is that the thing that makes it so strong (there is no corporate body behind "Linux") is exactly what makes it so difficult for it to compete in a market based economy.
That and dirty tricks played by the competition. I went to the Microsoft site to consult the HCL the other day and it told me I couldn't because I wasn't running IE. That is what Linux is up against. Also, if you haven't seen this paper it's worth a read: http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf

Personally, I hope someone will step up to the plate, invest the money, and win the battle by marketing this fantastic OS.
The issue is that Linux is designed not to be marketed, it's like free speech. It's a freedom of choice, not a selling job. It would be like Bob Dylan selling his songs to be used in McDonald's commercials.
they are idiots? Just curious to make sure I understand your business model (if you can call it that). And - "crowd who keep posting the same pointless garbage over and over again:" Doesn't that include you?
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Microsoft won the netbook war
ChazzMatt 2nd Jun 2009
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Just goes to show what deep pockets can do. Quite frankly, Linux runs faster and smoother on many netbook models, but, they don't have the marketing clout to get things out there. Quite frankly, Ubuntu should be doing much better than it is, considering it is the least problematic of Linux distros I've encountered. That's another problem Linux has. There is only one Windows, there are hundreds of Linux OSes. How does a consumer make a choice? I think a lot of the distros out there need to consolidate. The fewer distributions the better. I think maybe ten or so would be a good round number.
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Too many flavours
freetulisten 3rd Jun 2009
I guess I'm stuck between two sides. On the one hand, I am a Linux and Open Source (particularly FOSS) fanatic but I run dual boot because there are just a couple of things I need Windows for (staying up-to-date so I can make money consulting/comparing/maintaining) and therefore I get to see or be reminded of most of the good things Windows has (if you can put cost to one side).
Furthermore, I actually felt stupid with some of the difficulties I was having with Vista and always felt that was proof enough that making a 'major' change from XP to Linux was no more dramatic than XP to Vista. Now I'm playing around with Win7 and I can honestly say it's not bad even though I had a BSOD last week (which is not surprising given that it's still in Beta or whatever MS call it).

BUT

I like the democratic philosophy that surrounds Open Source and have always appreciated why there is so much passion in the distro/Gnome/KDE, 'debates' (read fisticuffs).
However, I think it's that very passion that has lead to the fragmentation that exists in the community. Quite frankly, even though I've used Linux for six years, there are still times when I have self-doubt that I'm using the best solution and I use virtualisation a LOT for many reasons, one of which is to try the many combinations.
If I was a newbie or just someone who was curious and was 'looking' the passion and debate, heat and argument, invective and putdowns, etc. would quite frankly make me say F**K it, I'll stay where I am with Windows.

So argue with me and tell me I'm a dope and suggest I don't know what's going on out there but I'll tell you what I see every single week while I'm training, consulting, installing...

Every time I see 'experts' get hot and bothered because they think Ubuntu is for kiddies and sprinkle that through Blogs and Forums, or that "Ubuntu ain't Linux' or that KDE S***S on Gnome, etc. I groan and see more nails in the coffin.

Express yourself carefully; if you believe Gentoo is WAAAY better than Ubuntu or anything else out here, make a bit of an effort to calmly say why. And take 15 minutes before you send it.

If you believe Novell/SUSE sold its soul to Microsoft, get over it, you won't change anything and nobody cares. All it does is tell others (if they don't know the details) "oh, Microsoft must be good if one of the Linux companies is working with them.

I swear I spend as much time justifying my choice as I do trying to spread the message.

BTW, just in case you are wondering, I use Ubuntu (not Kubuntu), with Compiz, GnomeDo+Docky, simple themes and now Webilder (so it does Win7 stuff on the desktop. I don't get all wound up and slobbery when I discuss Operating Systems with people, I have my own thoughts about Microsoft but I don't give them oxygen by talking about them (it?) to others.

If you're going to be in the debate, be informed, mature, calm and accepting. The guys at Apple must laugh their tails off at all the trash talk that goes on in here.

Anyway, enough ranting, "note to self - take a chill pill"
other Linux distros...then you surely know how they are concerning Windows and other Microsoft products.

And you say the Apple people must be laughing? You've not read any Apple lover reply on here before? Oh my, they are as radical and intensely defensive of their choice of software as the Linux folks.

There are a few Windows people but it's like maybe 3, compared to hundreds of people here that ding MS in every post they make, even when the blog is about something other than Microsoft in any way. Very very obsessed group of people for sure. They are frustrated constantly.

What did your inclusion of (it?) mean in the one paragraph?
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freetulisten 5th Jun 2009
Haha. Just me being pedantic. We refer to Microsoft being 'them' whereas Microsoft is an individual entity and therefore, an 'it'.
The last time Microsoft was a 'them' was when 'they' were Gates and Balmer.
Nothing important - just me being me happy
the Touch Book from Always Innovating is the front-runner in my search.

but i'm still looking.

i wonder if i can get an add-on keyboard and monitor connection for the palm Pre?
(the old palm devices had a connection port)

the search continues.

happy
.

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The Problem is Linux is not a Business
Richard B 18th Jun 2009
Let me put it bluntly, as I can There no Intel Microsoft monopoly here because there is no business alternative. Activist driven Linux may make you warm and fuzzy but it has non existent sales, engineering and support force. A billion dollar company is not going to get support off the ubuntu forums.
One Linux realize the need a for profit business structure, then perhaps we will have a horse race.
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I beg to differ...
914four Updated - 18th Jun 2009
Bluntly, there is support for Linux out there, and large corporations are buying into it, particularly those who have had a development issue with .NET and had to backtrack (for example a merger) when they realized just how proprietary Microsoft really is.
Facts:
- Novell recently closed a 30,000 seat desktop SUSE Linux deal.
- Corporate support is available (for a fee) for Linux from IBM, HP, maybe Dell (not sure about them), Sun, RedHat, Novell, CentOs, and a host of smaller shops.
- OpenSource does not only mean Linux. There are alternatives if you want a "real" unix such as FreeBSD and OpenSolaris. Of the group, in the enterprise, OpenSolaris is IMHO by far the most advanced because it uses ZFS. The BSD port of ZFS isn't there yet, and the Linux port is even farther away.
Just to give you an example, you have a Windows 2K8 file server with a 16TB volume (the largest it can support) shared amongst 1,000 users who store their PST files on it. For sake of argument, each user has multiple PST files based on projects. You have a lightning induced UPS failure that causes the server to crash while at it's busiest. You replace the UPS and the server starts, but then takes several days doing a file system check/recovery. Downtime? Several days. And a Cluster wouldn't have help unless it was geographically dispersed ($$$$). OpenSolaris on the other hand, since it has ZFS with a 2 stage commit, would boot and and replay it's ZIL (ZFS Intent Log) and come back. Downtime? A few minutes. Oh, and that 16TB maximum volume in NTFS? Nonexistant in ZFS, maximum volume size is a ZetaByte. The best solution in a Microsoft environment is to have smaller volumes, say 2TB each, and then assign capacity to a given bunch of users, say around 120 per volume. Sounds like a lot of fun to manage, no?
So tell me again how Microsoft makes more sense in the Enterprise?
"Just because we've always done it the same way is not a reason to keep doing it the same way" -Henry Ford
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I think that virtualization technology offers Linux a great opportunity to promote itself. Users can try Linux with little effort and for the cost of a few megabytes of disk space.
A lot of people who do this will probably end up realizing that they can get the best of both worlds and will keep running dual-os systems. Others might switch completely while many might say "No thanks". But at least users are getting to realize that there is choice.
IMO Linux needs a distribution that can be installed easily on Windows Boxes ie contains the virtualization software and Linux that is tailored to running as a Guest OS under Windows. It needs to be as simple to install as a normal Windows application. Make it so simple that anyone can do it.
This is going to be far more palatable to a Windows User than the alternative we often get : Windows sux - throw it away along with all your applications and start again from scratch with Linux.
However a distibution like this still needs to be heavily promoted.

Just download the Ubuntu disk, make a CD, and boot from it. You can try it without installing, if you want to go back to Windows eject CD and reboot.
Simple!

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