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Is FRAND compatible with FOSS?

By | October 25, 2010, 6:22am PDT

Summary: While European governments have a distinct preference for open source, they also prefer not to dictate the choices their members make.

Open source advocates are treating Florian Mueller (right) the way liberals are treating Juan Williams these days, and it’s not hard to see why.

Mueller’s acceptance of the fact that Fair, Reasonable And Non-Discriminatory Terms (FRAND) is coming to open European standards has made him apostate.

Some are even willing to write me out of the movement for daring to befriend the man.

But Mueller isn’t writing this stuff because he wants to, and I don’t think he’s doing it because he’s paid to, either.

He’s writing it because it happens to be true.

Take, for example, this post by Unisys developer Patrice-Emmanuel Schmitz, writing at the Open Source Observatory and Repository,  which calls itself “a platform for exchanging information, experiences and FLOSS-based code for use in public administrations.”

In the European Union Public License (EUPL) (and in copyright law in general), the term royalty-free means that once the software is licensed, the licensee is free to use and distribute the work without paying additional royalty charges. This makes no obstacle to charging an initial fee for distributing or selling the software (as it may be done by a commercial FOSS organisation), or to a financial agreement between developing organisations (i.e. to mutualise and share the cost of software development).

In other words, there’s nothing wrong with paying for code. Royalty-free should mean that continuing charges past that initial payment — monopoly rents — should not be allowed.

It seems to me this stance falls somewhere between that of groups like Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE), and the Business Software Association. Schmitz is saying that paying for software is OK, but once you pay for it you control it. The BSA only supports licenses for software — ownership does not change hands.

Mueller finds FRAND a reasonable position. He quotes former EU competition commissioner Neelie Kroes, who said in June “I have nothing against intellectual property being brought to the standard-setting table, but it must be disclosed.”

Then he adds:

Mrs. Kroes said in the same speech that “reasonable people often disagree” when trying to set FRAND license fees. That’s a challenge, not a knock-out criterion. FRAND isn’t a mathematical formula that arrives at a simple result. FRAND is a framework, and the way it’s interpreted is subject to the specific circumstances of a license agreement.

While European governments have a distinct preference for open source, they also prefer not to dictate the choices their members make. A standards process shouldn’t be used to knock out specific vendors, and as Mueller writes there is a difference between openness and royalties.

You may disagree with that. Open source advocates may disagree with that strenuously. That’s a good thing. But insisting that all those who accept the legitimacy of a contrary position are bad people is going a little too far. Sometimes they’re just reporting the facts.

Don’t shoot the piano player.

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Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for 30 years, a tech freelancer since 1983.

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Dana Blankenhorn has been a journalist, writer and part-time futurist for over 30 years.

At the present moment I run only a personal blog in addition to my ZDNet open source blog.

DanaBlankenhorn.Com has the subtitle The War Against Oil. In the past I have used it to write about political history, e-commerce, personal matters, some ideas related to open source, and The World of Always On, which is the idea of using sensors, motes and RFID to turn WiFi links into platforms for applications which live in the air.

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RE: Is FRAND compatible with FOSS?
seocu 13th Sep
Usage based payment made to gain the right to use intellectual property is call royalty. It is not necessarily linked to redistributing but can be a counterpart for a right to use. As a result Royalty free means no payment to use. It is ilahi Dinle
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hastanelerhowever possible to engage in a contract where payment is extracted, but not based on usage. This will lead to all kind of business models, mainly focused on selling counseling, customization or teaching.
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You have property and contract
s_souche 25th Oct 2010
These are two different things.

Intellectual property grant right's holder a unique ability, that to use modify copy or destroy his property, and the right to lease, sell, lend or give some or all of these rights to others.

It is thus possible for right holder to engage in contracts with some of these rights as consideration. But right holders can also grant others usage privilege without any counterpart.

It is thus possible to grant the ability to modify redistribute, or use a program either for free or with charges, either fixed or variable.

Usage based payment made to gain the right to use intellectual property is call royalty. It is not necessarily linked to redistributing but can be a counterpart for a right to use. As a result Royalty free means no payment to use. It is however possible to engage in a contract where payment is extracted, but not based on usage. This will lead to all kind of business models, mainly focused on selling counseling, customization or teaching.

One time payment to grant the right to use is a royalty; with or without the right to redistribute.

One time payment with the right to modify and redistribute under an open license is economic non sense if not attached to added value services, because anyone can later on branch the sotware ( support evolution and maintenance is added value service )
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Like Williams?
urbandk 25th Oct 2010
I'd say they're treating him more like conservatives treated Octavia Nasr.
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RE: Is FRAND compatible with FOSS?
DanaBlankenhorn 25th Oct 2010
@urbandk I would have preferred a sports metaphor, but couldn't think of one right away. How about the way Phillie fans are treating Ryan Howard today? Just because he struck out to end the game doesn't mean you toss him under the bus. But he did strike out.
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RE: Is FRAND compatible with FOSS?
Marcos El Malo 25th Oct 2010
@DanaBlankenhorn

I think the better analogy would be how Stalin treated Trotsky. Florian better stay out of Mexico.
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RE: Is FRAND compatible with FOSS?
jorjitop 31st Oct 2010
@DanaBlankenhorn

Nothing more useless than a baseball metaphor when you are talking to and about Europeans.
Dana, let's not make this a pity party about how everyone is attacking you and Florian Mueller. You've said a lot of very good things over the years, but when you advocate something that is such a threat to FOSS, you will be criticized and questioned.

FRAND is a problem first because whether FRAND is an ongoing toll or a one-time toll, most FOSS projects simply can't afford it. FOSS projects are not profit-making, or even money-making ventures. Whether "fair and non-discriminatory" or not, anything above $0 is a software patent toll that FOSS cannot afford, and virtually any complex piece of software will infringe numerous software patents. Big companies with lots of lawyers can handle this. FOSS, not so much.

Second, because it's so hard to write a complex piece of software without infringing someone's patent, any project is a time bomb waiting to go off; as soon as someone (like, say, Oracle) wants to pick off a FOSS competitor (like, say, PostgreSQL), they can invoke all their software patents and make it impossible for Postgres to continue without undue costs. Companies with revenue streams can handle this much better.

Said another way, software patents in general are a huge threat to FOSS. They are objectionable in themselves. They are much more objectionable when incorporated into supposedly "open" standards. When this happens, it acts as an effective barrier that prevents FOSS from using that standard.

Since FOSS projects rarely try to sell their software for money, FRAND effectively makes FOSS infeasible for any standards that are encumbered by it.

To the extent FRAND proponents are saying software patents are here to stay, so we might as well accept FRAND as well, that's like saying I have an incurable disease like diabetes, so I might as well embrace cancer too. I don't accept the premise that software patents cannot be undone, and I certainly don't accept the idea that even if they are with us forever, that this justifies piling another bad idea on top of the first.

Florian Mueller has the perfect right to express his opinions, and the rest of us have the perfect right to criticize them, and also ask about his motives, funding, etc. This is not personal. It's a political debate. Welcome to the NFL!
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Usage based payment made to gain the right to use intellectual property is call royalty. It is not necessarily linked to redistributing but can be a counterpart for a right to use. As a result Royalty free means no payment to use. It is ilahi Dinle
ilahi
ilahi Mp3

hastane randevu
online randevu alma
hastanelerhowever possible to engage in a contract where payment is extracted, but not based on usage. This will lead to all kind of business models, mainly focused on selling counseling, customization or teaching.

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