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John Galt is dead or Linus shrugs

By | October 27, 2008, 6:41am PDT

Summary: The genius of Steve Jobs is to be valued highly. But so is that of the team around Linus Torvalds. What should matter, in the end, is the quality of the finished product, its usefulness, its value.

Robert Woodruff, former CEO of Coca-Cola Co.John Galt is the lead character in Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged, a classic beloved by boys in late adolescence and former Fed chairmen.

Galt represents Rand’s ideal of objectivism, of free market absolutism and rule by those few who dominate the market.

The idea has been taking a beating lately, what with even Alan Greenspan admitting the ideology is flawed.

But those of us in the open source movement knew those ideas were bogus a decade ago. John Galt, meet Linus Torvalds.

Linus is the anti-Galt. He is naturally shy, he likes teams. He is more interested in solving a problem than in anything else.

“We haven’t had a lot of huge pressing technical issues, so what people have been writing about is how we do development,” he said in an interview at the recent Linux Kernel Summit. His gentle way of saying how is the wrong issue.

One of the more remarkable exchanges came when Linus was asked about shortening release cycles. He admitted he had favored such a move, then added that the discussions had convinced him otherwise.

John Galt would not approve of that. He would demand things be done his way, that others bend to his will.

So when Randians like Andrew Keen see the success of open source, they’re flummoxed. They wind up with arguments that make them look like idiots.

Because there is no absolute ideology, no simple -ism that will explain it all to you. The genius of Steve Jobs is to be valued highly. But so is that of the team around Linus Torvalds. The proprietary and open source model both have their points.

What should matter, in the end, is the quality of the finished product, its usefulness, its value. Focus on that and you can’t go far wrong.

The real answer lies in the words of that great capitalist Robert W. Woodruff, the man who built The Coca-Cola Co.

“There is no limit what a man can do or where he can go, if he doesn’t mind who gets the credit.” I think Linus would agree with that. It’s wisdom you can dance to.

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Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for 30 years, a tech freelancer since 1983.

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Dana Blankenhorn

Dana Blankenhorn has been a journalist, writer and part-time futurist for over 30 years.

At the present moment I run only a personal blog in addition to my ZDNet open source blog.

DanaBlankenhorn.Com has the subtitle The War Against Oil. In the past I have used it to write about political history, e-commerce, personal matters, some ideas related to open source, and The World of Always On, which is the idea of using sensors, motes and RFID to turn WiFi links into platforms for applications which live in the air.

My IRA account at Schwab holds a few tech shares, most notably some Intel and Applied Materials, but there are no open source companies in it. I don’t even own any CBS stock.

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Dana Blankenhorn

Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for nearly 25 years and has covered the online world professionally since 1985. He founded the Interactive Age Daily for CMP Media, and has written for the Chicago Tribune, Advertising Age's "NetMarketing" supplement, and dozens of other publications over the years.

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Strawman by the 2nd sentence
jbperez808@... Updated - 25th Jan 2009
"Galt represents Rand???s ideal of objectivism, of free market absolutism and rule by those few who dominate the market."

Paultards and hard core [economic] Libertarians may annoy me every so often with their unreasonable beliefs, but I still have to call the article author on her all-too-obvious biases.

The use of the phrase "Free Market absolutism" I might let pass, but the phrase after that ("rule by those few...") is an unforgivable strawman that completely mischaracterizes the ideals of Objectivism.

This article is either deliberate flamebait or just unprofessionally and/or poorly written.
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Linux isn't a good example.
Anton Philidor Updated - 27th Oct 2008
It's expense reduction vs Unix for servers, funded by lower staffing costs.

A better example is a product like OpenOffice.org, proprietary software given to a project as a desperation play because the former owner4 couldn't make a profit. And hopes to sell a branded version of the result.

Red Hat, though it's a Linux seller, is a variant of the same strategy.

The reason for the effort by those not paid to work on the software? To an extent, reducing the sales and thus the profits and thus the ability to employ people of proprietary companies.

Mr. Stallman has a substantial resemblance to Ayn Rand in his absolutism. Though Rand has more sense of the way people benefit in income from efforts necessarily involving a number of people. She's more humane.
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"Linux isn't a good example"
kozmcrae 27th Oct 2008
How would you know?
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Work or play?
Ole Man 28th Oct 2008
You question "The reason for the effort by those not paid to work on the software?" How do you know they are not playing, instead of working? Are the boys who make millions of $$$$$$$$ playing professional football, basketball, baseball, golf, tennis, hockey, etc working or playing? If it is work, why do they refer to it as "playing"? If it is play, how do they make so much money without working for it? Are they working at having fun, or having fun at working? If they are having fun, how do you know they are working? Or if they are making money, how do you know they aren't playing?

Mr. Stallman is the exact opposite of Ayn Rand, and your efforts to solve your proposed mysterious conundrum proves only that you are lost in the bottomless pit of philosophy and innuendo.
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Why I used Linux
DanaBlankenhorn 28th Oct 2008
They substantiated the economic value of their code, in terms of the work done, at $10.8 billion. If this is done with OpenOffice that's also worthy of discussion.
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Bad examples
jorjitop 29th Oct 2008
Linux was a university project of Linus Torwalds. It was picked up, and popularised by a naiscent open source community. Being free, and a stable alternative to Windows, it became popular and grew. Many big corporations, notably IBM, learned how to make money out of it.

OpenOffice was started by German programmers as Star Office. It was a commercial project which was a cheap alternative to MS Office. It was picked up, and distributed for free by Scot McNealy when he was head of Sun and wanted to undercut Microsoft's profitable Office franchise. That was a time when Sun had power, and Scot had a feud with Microsoft.

Neither scenario fits your model.
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I agree that profits are necessary in order to thrive, but the proprietary software industry has become too focused on this instead of solving REAL problems. In this arena open source is more concentrated on solving problems instead of adding "features" to sell an upgrade. Eventually I hope to see the best of both worlds.
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"... to sell an upgrade ..."
Anton Philidor 27th Oct 2008
If people are willing to pay money for a new product, then they are looking forward to something about that product. If the anticpation concerns features, then the product is doing what they want done.

To the buyer, the upgrade is solving one or more REAL problems.

You wrote:

... the proprietary software industry has become too focused on this instead of solving REAL problems. In this arena open source is more concentrated on solving problems instead of adding "features" to sell an upgrade.

[End quote]

The idea that software must have only the most essential features is reasonable. I like it. But 95% of the world, give or take, disagrees, and puts real money behind the decision to buy for features.

Proprietary software can be more responsive to most of the population than software which touts its openness to everyone.
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Again, your philosophy is dead wrong.

95% (or thereabouts) of the world will go along with almost anything that is proposed. That is why they are referred to as sheep, longer than two thousand years ago. Jesus said "feed my sheep" because they are so easily led astray, and he knew they would starve where they were being led.

Being one of the majority is hardly anything to brag about. One who is wealthy, or exceptionally intelligent, is normally said to be..... what? "An exception to the rule"? Or a "sheep"?
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Jesus?
Think! 28th Oct 2008
Jesus was a terrible moral philosopher and, if you want to trace things back to their roots, he is ultimately the cause of the state of the world including our economy now. So who cares what Jesus thought or said. Why bring up an ancient hippy bum?
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They are like a certain orifice belonging to your body, and everybody has one. This is eloquently verified by the nauseating stink coming from yours.
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Think!
djchandler 29th Oct 2008
Are you proving my hypothesis?

objectivism + capitalism = atheism and/or humanism

That was just for provocation and to stimulate some of the usual posters' cognitive processes. Apparently it had the opposite effect on you.
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Good point.
914four 28th Oct 2008
I remember reading an article that talked about "the HP Way", a set of guidelines set out in the early 1950s that ensured that everyone who worked for or did business with Hewlett-Packard was treated fairly, and to ensure that HP was a good corporate citizen in the communities where it had a presence. The rules were later amended to add that the company had to make a profit since the other guidelines were not possible if the company did not make any money.
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RE: John Galt is dead or Linus shrugs
asdfasdfasdfasdf1111111111 27th Oct 2008
The Ayn Rand analogy is kind of meh. I'm not sure they actually got the point of her work. Linux is awesome, but it's not Anti-Objectivist. Wouldn't not conforming to Microsoft be closer to a story of Objectivism like Anthem?
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Meh?
Churlish 27th Oct 2008
As for dismissing Objectivism as "meh," I don't know where to begin, so I won't.

I will address the idea of "Microsoft non-conformance" as being somehow Objectivist. You'd have a glimmer of a point if use of Microsoft software were mandated by the government, or if Microsoft somehow gained a stranglehold on computing worldwide.

Both situations are ridiculously fictional; no one forces you to use Microsoft products.

Let the free market judge open-source ... if open-source producers can generate a profitable business model, then they deserve every dollar they earn. When their plans involve government meddling in the business of proprietary producers, then that's where I'll cry foul.
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Yes Meh
1111111222222222 27th Oct 2008
Not Objectivism, comparing Objectivism to Linux. Read.

"if Microsoft somehow gained a stranglehold on computing worldwide"

Are you actually suggesting Microsoft does NOT have a stranglehold on computing?

You have to be joking. Do you not even realize that Bill Gates invented the software licensing model that our entire software market is based on?
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So what you're telling me...
Churlish 28th Oct 2008
...is that you have NO computing options other than Microsoft products? That it's somehow become illegal to buy a Mac or to run Linux? That Open Office has been outlawed worldwide? That all Java developers are henceforth required to program in C#?

If those things were true, then I'd join you in resisting Microsoft's "stranglehold." Thankfully, I live in this reality.
It does not mean destroyed, killed, or murdered. It DOES mean having a hold that may be capable of strangling to death, or near death. But it's a good thing EVERYONE doesn't live in YOUR WORLD OF "REALITY". Otherwise, Microsoft WOULD HAVE already destroyed open source, completely, instead of merely having a "stranghold" on the computer market.
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Government needs to be part of the market
DanaBlankenhorn 28th Oct 2008
That's what Alan Greenspan thinks, anyhow. You will note he is a co-author (along with Rand) on "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal." http://www.amazon.com/Capitalism-Ideal-Ayn-Rand/dp/0451147952/?tag=nosimacluecom
This has been the problem for many years. Microsoft has, by various nefarious means (whether you know it or not, your accreditation makes no difference, one way ot t'other) had a stranglehold on the computer industry.

You are as the voice of one crying in the wilderness. "Foul"
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Why I used Atlas Shrugs and Ayn Rand
DanaBlankenhorn 28th Oct 2008
In testimony last week, Alan Greenspan said his "free market ideology" had proven flawed in the recent credit collapse.

It should be noted that Greenspan was a close friend and follower of Rand who even wrote some of the essays in her later book.
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Off the mark in three respects
jwbales@... 28th Oct 2008
1. While Greenspan was a fan and associate of Ayn Rand in the 50's and 60's he was not an Objectivist or he would have never agreed to head the Federal Reserve. He ran the Fed according to his ideas, not Rand's.

2. We haven't had anything approaching capitalism in the US for at least 100 years. It's outrageous to blame the near collapse of our super-regulated mixed economy on the remnants of capitalism that remain. The result of this misidentification is that almost everyone is prescribing even more of the poison that is causing the problem

3. There is no contradiction between Rand's philosophy and open source. You don't have to be a Stallman radical to believe in open source. It has proved to be a viable business model and there's nothing wrong (in the Objectivist sense) with programmers engaging in a common goal out of passion for their work.
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Ayn Rand? Are you kidding?
MisterMiester Updated - 27th Oct 2008
Objectivism - "The psuedo-philosophy developed by the eccentric fictional sprinkled with a little paranoia author Ayn Rand that attempts to make the argument that somehow avarice equals virtue."

Now after that little statement we're going to start to see the attack of the Randriods. But before we begin the battle there's one very important fact that none of the Randroids ever discuss.

Rand's own pseudo-philosophy believed that all other philosophies are inherently evil no matter how similar they were to Objectivism, therefore no meaningful debate can take place with anyone who is a non-objectivist.

So it's best not to even waste your time with the Randriods, unless you're a masochist. wink
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and what kind of 'oid' are you?
John Donohue 27th Oct 2008
'Rand's believed that all other philosophies are inherently evil no matter how similar they were to Objectivism...'

I'll ignore your slurs as the effuvia of a colicy baby and simply slam your factual error: Rand had no such "belief." If she thought a system was evil, she gave her rational reasons. If she knew it was of value, she gave reasons for that. And always, she knew she could give reasons why she was right. She always insisted individuals validate her system by facts and logic.

I won't bother naming the other systems Rand admired. You can look it up.

John Donohue
Pasadena, CA
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Need I say more?
MisterMiester 27th Oct 2008
(NT)
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Nope!
InAction Man 27th Oct 2008
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Did she come to that observation through her wisdom, or did she read that two particles of matter cannot occupy the same point in space at the same time, and just substitute some colors to claim it as her own?

I am just being objective here.
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Think! 27th Oct 2008
It's an example of the law of identity which is the reason why "two particles of matter cannot occupy the same point in space at the same time."

And she didn't come up with it she merely recognized it in an age where most had forgotten it. What she did do though was discover that existence was identity. That's a good integration.
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Cogito, ergo sum
GuidingLight 28th Oct 2008
I think, therefor I am
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I think therefore I am
DanaBlankenhorn 28th Oct 2008
I eat therefore you are not. -- My cat.
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Sometimes people get too big for their britches. They are generally known as "smarty pants".

If they know TOO much, they feel compelled to share their knowledge with EVERYBODY, by any means available. The ego cannot be contained.
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fairness in ego
John Donohue 30th Oct 2008
Don't worry, with Progressives ruling the White House and Congress, I'm sure you'll find a way to legally regulate ego, and eventually confiscate it from those who got to big for their britches and spread it around until everyone has a fair share.

John Donohue
Pasadena, CA
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Darkness in light?
Ole Man 2nd Nov 2008
Fairness does not allow the ego, and the ego does not allow fairness.

I hope you don't believe all this sanctimonious tripe being fed you on the airwaves (your TeeVee) by the political clowns who would tell a lie on credit when they could tell the truth for cash. I wouldn't trust either one of them as far as I could throw a full-grown bull elephant by the tail.

And no, they don't care anything about your ego. They only want your cash, property, obedience, and loyalty. And they would say anything or do anything to get it.
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Atlas Shrugged
xnilo Updated - 27th Oct 2008
It is quite appropriate to reference Atlas Shrugged at this point in American society. If polls are any indicator, it seems we are likely traveling down the path of decaying society that Ayn Rand portrays. Whole communities are demanding the wealth of others not based on any contribution to society, but because of their need.

I think you mis-characterize both Galt and Torvalds. Galt's central theme is summed in this quote "I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." It wasn't that Galt didn't appreciate the ideas and competencies of others, he did much more than the "looters" in the book. In fact, he respected others so much that he would not ask another to live for his sake. What he would not do is settle for less than ideal.

I'm not going to disparage Torvalds, who is brilliant in his own way. From many of the falling outs and arguments around the Linux kernel, it is clear that while perhaps meek, he is unwavering in his idealism as well.

Dana reminds me of a character, Ellsworth Toohey, from another Rand book, The Fountainhead.
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And the communities you mention are?
InAction Man Updated - 27th Oct 2008
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How about the communities of...
Henrik Moller Updated - 27th Oct 2008
...those who bought more house than they could reasonably afford and now want the Federal government--i.e., taxpayers--to buy up their mortgages and renegotiate not just their repayment schedules but their mortgage principals as well? Or the community of lenders who made those high risk loans and now want the taxpayers to assume the losses.



Or, more prosaically, those who plan to vote for Obama because he's said he wants to "redistribute the wealth" from those who earned it to those just standing around with their hands out claiming they "need," or, worse, somehow "deserve," the fruits of other peoples' labors. How about the community of people who want someone else, anyone else, to pay their medical bills?



"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with a result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship." --Alexander Tytler (attrib)
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Well Said
xnilo 27th Oct 2008
I was getting ready to reply, but you your response was great. I'll leave it at that.
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The fruits of others labors...
leigh@... 27th Oct 2008
Here in Australia my mortgage is going up and my
dollar is going down, and my compulsory superannuation
is going backwards...and this is the fruit of other
peoples labors
I have seen a fox kill all the chicken in a hen house
in an orgy of slaughter and then make off with one to
eat. From where I sit unrestrained capitalism looks
just like that fox...
How about from where you sit? Whats the view from
there? I am guessing by the tone of your comments you
are successful...but because of the actions of
unrestrained capitalists your wealth is now not under
threat of liberal do gooders. The greatest threat to
your savings is from the imminent declaration of a
force majeure and the abandonment of the dollar.
Whatever the numbers on your bank statements times
nothing equals... nothing...
Wake up and smell the fertiliser!
Your ideologies are not edible, stop cramming them
down our throats and try digesting them yourself.
Pretty soon it may be all that you have to eat...
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First,...
Henrik Moller 27th Oct 2008
...I never said unrestrained capitalism is unalloyed goodness--on the whole, people are just plain too nasty and selfish for that. What I did say was that I see no moral imperative on my part to support people who can't or won't support themselves, nor any moral license on anyone else's part that would permit them to rob me of my wealth based on their own desire or assertion of "need."



You're right in that my wealth is, at present, in jeopardy, but not by the practice of capitalism. The threat is predominately that of a perversion of capitalism, in large measure fostered by government-sponsored liberal do-gooding: The efforts of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to "help" people fulfill their "American dream" by offering non-competitive, high-risk, loans to people financially not qualified to receive them.



And, of course, more directly, my wealth is in jeopardy by the actions of a government that seems to see forcibly "redistributing wealth," from me to total strangers as a means of buying votes.



Regarding foxes and chicken houses, have you ever seen a video of a school of piranha "redistributing" the flesh of some unfortunate beastie that's happened to fall within range of their teeth? Talk about your "orgy of slaughter"...



Finally, I'm not cramming my ideologies down your throat--you're not even compelled to read them, let alone follow them.
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Who should we blame for the finacial crisis??
homeschooldad@... 28th Oct 2008
I know this is getting way off topic from the original blog post. I would not blame capitalism. I would lay the blame squarely on man's greed, self desires, dishonesty and lack of integerity.

With that said the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac debacle is Bill Clinton's fault. Check out the excerpts from this story in 1999 by Steve A. Holmes.

In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.
Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.
In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates -- anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.
In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's.
''From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,'' said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ''If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.''
Under Fannie Mae's pilot program, consumers who qualify can secure a mortgage with an interest rate one percentage point above that of a conventional, 30-year fixed rate mortgage of less than $240,000 -- a rate that currently averages about 7.76 per cent. If the borrower makes his or her monthly payments on time for two years, the one percentage point premium is dropped.
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for brainwashing the populace with the fertilizer known as "the American dream".

When our esteemed "lawmakers" and "lawyers" abandoned the idea of laws to prevent usury, excessive interest, and monopolizing in favor of profit, the gate to greed swung wide open. Then when they perfected the outrageous (legalized) larceny of making money with money (no work, no goods, no production involved, just money), their Utopia was realized. Unfortunately, for the other 95% (or thereabouts) of the population, life is now a living hell. Meanwhile, of course, our "lawmakers" and "lawyers" are exceedingly happy, and those on the cusp of the 95% (or thereabouts) are running greedily to and fro trying to blockade the gate in order to insure their "elite" status.
until the mule falls and dies of starvation? Then uses the proceeds from the mules labor to purchase two more mules, and dangles carrots before them? And repeats the process, until there is no more mules available? What then? THE RASCAL (BANK) HAS A DEPRESSION

But never mind.... the rascal's (bank's) servants (our Government) uses the proceeds derived from making pet food from the carcasses of the dead mules to "bail out" the rascals (Banks) so their domain (economy) will not die. So the rascals (Banks) can import more mules from abroad, and begin the cycle again. Luckily for the rascals, a few of the imported mules escape, so the domestic population is replenished, making it possible to repeat both cycles, ad infinitum.

Human nature is to be greedy. That is why we should resist our nature. When human nature is allowed to run wild, it must then be regulated. When regulation is allowed to run wild, there is war between regulation and human nature. Is that a puzzle?

LOVE PEOPLE AND USE THINGS -

NOT LOVE THINGS AND USE PEOPLE
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objectivism + capitalism = atheism and/or humanism
djchandler Updated - 27th Oct 2008
"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

I daresay there's no one serving in our Armed Forces who believes in this philosophy. Would you want to be under fire serving next to one who does?

For the Christian neo-conservatives, here's something to consider. I ask you, how can you be a Christian and support unfettered capitalism at the same time? Can you see the dichotomy? Doesn't this set of issues rise above certain single issues that you base your political and philosophical decisions on?

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you...Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
John 15:12,13

I dare say that God in His omnipotence could not give more; in His wisdom, He knew not how to give more; in His riches He had not more to give(than Himself).
St. Augustine

http://catholicexchange.com/2008/02/13/97688/
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Interesting point but incorrect
LiquidLearner 27th Oct 2008
As a Christian you are taught to love another. Does that mean unfettered capatilism is contradictory? Not at all.

I believe that people in and of themselves should be liberal. The government should NOT be. I will extend a helping hand to someone who needs it. Corporations reinvest in community projects regularly. The government shouldn't have to step in.

The closest thing the government should ever do that might be considered "redistribution of wealth" are public works projects. Pick a place where the economy is especially suffering, Detroit would be a good candidate, and build something. Make it big, make it expensive, and make sure it employs a ton of people.

The last major project was our interstate system. It served the same purpose. Another project akin to that is the way we need to go. We shouldn't "take more" from those who have more. The government should take evenly. The people with more would logically pay more.
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Flat rate tax?
djchandler Updated - 28th Oct 2008
Let me put this question to you first. Why is it so hard for you to see that someone paying 20% in taxes on $50,000 is much more of a hardship for them than someone paying 20% on $500,000?

Secondly, how is my premise concerning unfettered capitalism incorrect? Actually, I didn't say I was correct; I only raised a question, admittedly in a somewhat pointed way--I meant to be provocative. But I don't see where you back your assertion that unfettered capitalism is not contradictory to Christianity. You state that it's so, but don't say how you arrive at that conclusion.

There was pharmacist in Kansas City several years ago that diluted cancer chemotherapy drugs so he could increase his profits so he could pay his pledge to his church. He's serving time in prison now. Wealth and its inherent yoke of responsibility can be unbearable pressure, even for those with supposedly noble goals.

If we could depend on the actions of the wealthy being governed by virtue, then your idea that unfettered capitalism has no moral or ethical pitfalls works. But all too often, there's less than virtuous action behind the accumulation of wealth. Don't you wonder how the wealthy became so? Is it not reasonable to question how and why so few people have so incredibly much materially when there are so many with virtually nothing. Do you, as a Christian, invoke Darwinism here? Or is it just that when the pursuit of money rules your life, you'll do anything to get it.

If we paid teachers, police, firefighters, health care workers (nurses, not doctors), our armed forces and other public-minded and dedicated workers commensurate to their value to society, we couldn't afford them. We expect them to be dedicated to their professions and them and their families to make economic and other sacrifices accordingly. Shouldn't those who profit mightily by the sacrifice of others' dedication to all of us be willing to be a community leader and underwrite those services mightily? If I have way more than I need, how is it ethical for me to gloat about my riches while others do without what are necessities? Gov. Mike Huckabee, one of the GOP presidential candidates, understands this. Two of the richest men in the world, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, get this. They understand the responsibility that comes with material wealth, and they're doing something about it.

As for public works, all the infrastructure in this country could use some maintenance. Highways and bridges are in decay. Remember the I-35W Mississippi River bridge collapse in Minneapolis? How does cutting taxes for the wealthy coincide with the deterioration of our society's infrastructure? Should we shove the bill off onto future generations, leaving them burdened with insurmountable debt?

http://www.sermons4kids.com/least-of-these.html
"I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink"...Then the righteous will answer him, "Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink?"..."Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me."
Matthew 25:35, 37, 40
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And the wisest man who ever lived
Ole Man 28th Oct 2008
who wisely chose wisdom when given a choice of virtue.....and was given more wealth than any other man ever had, more wives, more horses, more property, more gold, more kingdoms, said: (from Ecclesiastes)

1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.
2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
3 What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun?
4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

Makes one wonder why so many seek riches above all else, eh?
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who "embodies everything evil about mankind" and "is irredeemably corrupt and evil"? (http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/fountainhead/terms/charanal_2.html)

Did he p*$$ in your cereal, or what?

"By making people feel small and guilty, Toohey shakes their faith in their own abilities and then assumes control of their lives. Toohey preaches selflessness and ignorance of the ego to force people to act with humble mediocrity. Toohey has no talents of his own, so he makes himself excellent by grinding down his followers. His tactics frequently evoke those of Joseph Stalin, the former Russian revolutionary who emerged as Russia's dictator".

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

LOVE PEOPLE AND USE THINGS -

NOT LOVE THINGS AND USE PEOPLE
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RE: John Galt is dead or Linus shrugs
stevenjhalasz 27th Oct 2008
Leaders succeed.

Leaders:
(1) Are honest, practical and wise.
(2) Care about themselves and others.
(3) Care about the present and the future.
(4) Are effective communicators.
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You wish
Ole Man 28th Oct 2008
along with almost just about everybody else.

The truth is:
(1) Leaders very seldom became leaders in modern society by being honest. So what if they are practical and wise? Lots of followers are too.
(2) They care about themselves, alright, but generally don't give a hoot about others, as long as it's profitable for them.
(3) They care about the present, alright, but don't generally give much thought to the future or the consequences for the shenanigans they pulled to gain the position of "leader".
(4) They are effective at communicating what they think you want to hear, but would scarcely let the truth part their lips. Well, maybe accidentally or inadvertently, once in a great while.

Your post sounds like an excerpt from a political speech.
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RE: John Galt is dead or Linus shrugs
John Donohue 27th Oct 2008
ignoring your compeletely bogus characterization of Ayn Rand and her system, and the fact that any similarity to it in Greenspan is total illusion, and reminding you that Objectivism in adults is for those who did not abandon the highest in them when they came of age, here is my retort to the OpenSource movement:

There is a fundamental razor's edge at the root of open source or any other license-for-free effort. That is this:

At some point, every human being involved must TRADE value, not just give it away.

We must eat, have domicile, pay for personal responsibilities, etc., correct?

If someone elects to pour tremendous effort into a project knowing full well its charter is no remuneration, that is a voluntary choice and perfectly moral. Where the rubber meets the road is: how does that person pay for his life (earn his living we used to call it) in the meantime?

I submit that many are honorable and have another source of earned income, a day job for instance, or a way of earning peripheral revenue from the project proper.

But some unfortunately short circuit: they expect their life to be paid by someone else, such as a socialist statist welfare system. Not only is this dishonest, but when that type of a person then gets fierce and radicalized and begins ranting against capitalism, they are more than dishonest, they are evil.

So to everyone reading this involved in some form of open source, you know in your heart if you are doing it morally. Do you have the wonderful gift of having made your personal maintenance by honest, voluntary trade and are now generously pouring value into a great project? Or are you secretly living off someone else as you throw effort into the project?

John Donohue
Pasadena, CA
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Umm, John
waecaidr@... 27th Oct 2008
Relax, John. It's nice you're able to concede the potential good moral character of those involved in open source - as long as they're coding, not merely freeloading.

If you weren't so consistent in your attacks you would get credit as a worthy satirist. "But some unfortunately short circuit: they expect their life to be paid by someone else, such as a socialist statist welfare system. Not only is this dishonest, but when that type of a person then gets fierce and radicalized and begins ranting against capitalism, they are more than dishonest, they are evil." The world has been watching the corporate welfare being doled out by the trillions to the so-called capitalists but they are not the targets of your diatribes.

The bulk of open source proponents are themselves motivated by many things: intellectual freedom, leveling of the tech playing field as convicted monopolists continue unabated, capitalist incentives to support the infrastructure, and even charitable motives to simply help others without financial recompense.

I find your closing questions disingenuous. Ask those same questions of your banker friends, keeping in mind the words 'morally' and 'legally' are not necessarily interchangeable.
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Strawman by the 2nd sentence
jbperez808@... Updated - 25th Jan 2009
"Galt represents Rand???s ideal of objectivism, of free market absolutism and rule by those few who dominate the market."

Paultards and hard core [economic] Libertarians may annoy me every so often with their unreasonable beliefs, but I still have to call the article author on her all-too-obvious biases.

The use of the phrase "Free Market absolutism" I might let pass, but the phrase after that ("rule by those few...") is an unforgivable strawman that completely mischaracterizes the ideals of Objectivism.

This article is either deliberate flamebait or just unprofessionally and/or poorly written.

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