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Kiwi high school issues shot heard around the open source world

By | January 25, 2010, 6:56am PST

Summary: Albany Senior High School is ignoring a deal worked out between the National Party government and Microsoft and claims it is saving a bundle.

A New Zealand high school has defied the national government and struck a blow heard around the world of open source.

Albany Senior High School is ignoring a deal worked out between the National Party government and Microsoft and claims it is saving a bundle.

The high school opened just last year, and its IT system is based on Mandriva servers and Ubuntu desktops, supporting Moodle, Open Office and (most important) any client the kids want to bring in.

Open Systems Software of Auckland was the project’s system integrator, and presented its solution at a Linux conference last week.

In their presentation they noted that when the school moves to new quarters later this year its server rack, designed to hold 48 servers, will instead need only four. The system also took less time to build than a Microsoft system would have, the school said.

One thing that makes this a political story, down under, is that under the nation’s contract with Microsoft the software giant still gets paid for Albany’s Microsoft software even though it’s not being used.

New Zealand’s opposition Labour Party has not yet commented on the Albany situation, but New Zealand is a relatively small country, and Labour’s blog hasn’t been updated since last December 9. (New Zealand has about twice the population of its namesake, which is part of Denmark.)

(CORRECTION: A reader correctly notes the country takes its name from Zeeland, a Dutch province now home to 300,000, rather than the Danish island of Zealand. Wikipedia says the Dutch explorer Abel Tasman called the place Staten Landt. The Maori name for New Zealand is Aotearoa. My apologies, and thanks for encouraging the exploration.)

Hopefully this won’t turn out like last week’s New Zealand story. Open source activist Jeremy Allison joined the talkbacks there to note he’s given the same talk about Microsoft attacking open source patents for years. (Are stories just louder there, in an Internet sense?)

In any case, the Albany story has blown away San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom’s announcement of a new open source policy for the city, under which departments must “consider open source software” in developing new applications.

Maybe if he’d announced it in New Zealand.

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RE: Kiwi high school issues shot heard around the open source world
zakkiromi Updated - 29th Apr 2011
In any case, the Albany story has blown away San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsoms announcement of a new open source policy for the city, under which departments must consider open source software in developing new applications. a b c d e f g h i j
This is true in other fields, and equally true in the IT field.

We learned the hard way that hormone replacement therapy has unintended consequences, but it took much longer than necessary because a mindset developed that "it was the thing to do", instead of "it is an option for these specific patients".

Open source / closed source is no different. If this school created a hardware-software solution to solve a specific problem - good on them.

But if this was done with the sole purpose of sticking it to MS (and it probably was since NZ negotiated software licenses that it paid for but which the school isn't using), then there is a problem.

Open Source isn't a religion. It is the basis for a path forward. That's it. It isn't the only path, and like anything else, it isn't the best path in all instances.
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Apparently damage control has become a top priority among M$ shills, just look at Ed Bott's articles.
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Damage control?
OhTheHumanity 25th Jan 2010
More like correcting peoples misconceived notions about things. I see way more damage control from the likes of Apple and Linux fans because they have more of a cult like mentality. Not saying there aren't those on the M$ side, but most times its having to correct incorrect and infactual statements. As much as some of these people think what they say is true, it usually is cooked up in the head with all the emotions to go along with it.

I like to use what works and will move on when it doesn't. I won't go out of my way to use something else just because it has a name on it that i don't like. I think that was the point of the first poster and not damage control as you like to think.
Didn't you notice?
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Actually.....
OhTheHumanity 25th Jan 2010
I have been on here for a few years now and haven't seen more FUD in my life than the Apple folks. Linux is better because most that support Linux understand it alot better technically and don't make as absurd claims. Not saying that M$ doesn't have them out there, but most times I defend Windows from absurd claims, but will never tell someone what they use is wrong, because I believe in "to each his own". I think Linux, Windows, and Apple are all mature platforms and for people to claim one is garbage over the other is absurd. Especially when its all emotional rants and such.
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Linux users are using a good OS for what it does.

If there was a big successful company selling Linux then I bet that
most of the Linux community would bail fairly rapidly.

Linux's best selling point from what I hear is that it is not marketed so
the Linux users feel they are choosing a 'real' thing not a marketed
commodity.

Linux users seem from my experience to be pro-underdog, and
resistant to marketing, or at least what they perceive as marketing.

They also seem to like the Kudos of making it work, and really would
not get the same satisfaction from a Mac, cause really you do just
plug them in and turn them on and you are ready to roll. OK
sometimes you need some apps installed, but no big deal there either.

All of the linux users I have met discuss the process of making it
happen, not the work they get done with the computer.

And yes- Linux is good, I have used it in production environments and
would recommend it for the right use. So I'm not saying Linux users
have chosen a bad OS, just that the decision is not entirely about
technical aspects, more about their response to marketing, which is
they don't see all types of marketing as marketing.

And yes I think that if you want to roll out a multi box server or
render farm, then Linux is cheaper per box than most options, and
better performance in a lot of cases as well.

People on here make wild claims about the different platforms and the
different users, and what none of them seem to get is that there are
psychological reasons why people buy different platforms, and
windows appeals to a certain type of user, and part of that reason is
that it does not work as well and it is not as well designed, and the
boxes are not well built as Macs.

Same reason people buy Hummers and drive around cities, it makes
them feel like they might actually be real. If the car was really safe,
and nice to drive, and cheaper to run they don't want to know. If it
used less fuel they'd be downright disgusted with themselves for not
guzzling gas and for doing something sissy like looking after the
environment, and saving money.

Windows is the Hummer/F100 of the OS market, It's big and clunky
therefore it's perceived as real and not sissy.

Linux is hard to make a car analogy cause I can't think of an open
source car where you don't pay the man for it. but if there was a free
car that you had to finish putting together, and find the final parts to
fit, that'd be it.

Apple I am not really sure either, I know that in Australia their
marketing people decided that they were Mercedes (yes they even said
that) and priced accordingly, but that was 20 years ago. Now the
prices are competitive.

Linux of course does not appear to have a price.

Linux users might like to consider that an apparently free OS with
grass roots input is still a product and there is still a purchasing
decision you are making on image and buzz and logo and every other
advertising and marketing element that you are seemingly unaware
that you are responding to.

And yes Apple users do respond to such as well.

And MS may be the dominant player but they have done a lot more
marketing and promotional work than Apple over the years, it's just
that it's not been as open and transparent as Apple's has been.

So yes you Windows users are buying due to manipulation of your
purchasing decision, but you probably have no idea just when and
how that manipulation happened, so you think Apple is Hype and
Windows is real - Which is of course complete garbage.
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you should....
OhTheHumanity Updated - 26th Jan 2010
call Simon and Schuster, get that book published!

I didn't finish it, got way to into the pshycological aspect of some. I don't really view it that way, I use both in my environment and I actually have just as much or more problems with the linux boxes and these are basic server installs out of the box. Nothing is perfect but all my windows systems have 100% uptime until I do pathes which I don't do that often because 2008 server has very few critical rates patches, so about every 2 months I do patches. I am fine with those numbers and for people to suggest Windows is just so buggy and crashes is false. Just be honest man, thats all.
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@daMan25

I'm sorry but every time a Mac user or a Linux user tries to introduce
balance, some MS cultist cries 'Mac/linux users have a cult mentality'.

It is somehow not obvious to you that feeling the need to only use MS
products is a cult mentality?

And it totally escapes you that Mac users who often use MS and Apple
products, and usually have a deal of experience of Windows and
maybe they might just be talking from experience, rather than your
closed minded world where you call names at others to cover your
brainwashing.

Maybe you should observe how cults achieve control over their
followers, and the best way is to prevent them from looking outside
the cult, by labelling everyone outside as somehow wrong and
uneducated.

'If only us Mac users could see the light' - yeah right - been to MS
land, bought the T-Shirt, programmed it, supported it, made money
there, and still hate it out of knowledge of it.

Show me your years of Mac/Unix experience, then talk to me about
cult mentality.

Otherwise quit the offensive name calling in the name of protecting
the interests of the Gurus of Redmond.

Your cult has no right to spread it's dogma and to influence others into
your mistaken beliefs.
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Poor guy.....
OhTheHumanity 27th Jan 2010
I must have hit a nerve with you. Sometimes the reactions can be more telling than what the writer laid out on the page. You are the one resorting to name calling and I am sorry but have you ever met a Mac head? Yeah they don't know what they are talking about usually and defend the brand till the death. Its funny and I love correcting them, especially when they know little to nothing about the tech behind it all. I have had my experiences accross the board and Microsoft products now are much different than in the past. Just get with the times and shut up and be who you want to be. Cultist or not?
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In any case, the Albany story has blown away San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsoms announcement of a new open source policy for the city, under which departments must consider open source software in developing new applications. a b c d e f g h i j
unintended consequences, but it took much longer
than necessary because a mindset developed that "it
was the thing to do". With Windows, we now have a
very fragile bloated rats nest of a system with
virus, mallware, stability problems, and we will be
a long time untangling it all.

Great to hear that a group in New Zealand is helping
with the untangling process . . . .
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You're right Donnie Boy!
Ron Bergundy 25th Jan 2010
It's great to hear that this group is bucking the trend and proving Linux to be the most secure, cheapest and greatest OS every developed!

I sometimes wonder about these Windoze users - You sound like a really smart network admin, so you've seen the difference between Windoze and Linux, do you REALLY believe half these stories that people here post claiming "no problems" with there Windoze systems?

Neither do I, and it looks like neither do the school kids in New Zealand!!

You're right, right now with Windoze they have a very fragile bloated rats nest of a system with virus, mallware, stability problems, but you'll have to help me out here because I couldn't find that link saying that was their issue, and I wanted to post that here for all to see and laugh at!!!

I bet we'll never hear about this school again only because all will work perfectlly, so no news is allways good news!
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Well half right - Linux has a place
richardw66 Updated - 26th Jan 2010
It's not the greatest operating system, I think that kind of call is
misplaced.

Linux is basically an updated Unix.

OS X is basically an updated Unix.

They both have good points and bad points - and therefore
applications that are more appropriate.

Say for instance I was to do what i spent the last few days doing -
editing a documentary, no way would I choose Linux for that.

Same goes for most day to day users needs.

But for those who like to tinker, Linux is good.

Or for those who want to run a server without unnecessary UI
overhead it's also great.

On the other hand you can run servers really well under OS X - I know
I've done it on a large scale.

And you can tinker quite well with OS X - just that you don't need to
tinker to get a great machine working, and there is a strange myth
that OS X is somehow harder to play around with than any other Unix
variant, which is just silly.

Of course there are some interesting ironies, like OS X using CUPS for
printing, which is I believe of Linux heritage. Linux has led to some
really important progress of OS technology, and Apple have picked
some of it up for OS X.

Now if only MS was clever enough to really learn from OS X and Linux,
rather than pinching the idea of pretty colours and applying it as a
theme and calling it Windows 7.

MS unfortunately didn't even know the difference between nice design
and pretty colours, so they went all out to make it bright and overly
colourful, not nice and useable.

Change Windows 7 settings from nice to performance and you
suddenly get back to Win XP. (yep, I can even try this out on Win 7 on
my iMac, and have)

MS why are you so shallow that you can't even work out why people
use Macs and Linux? it's not the coloured buttons, it's something else,
maybe ask someone who has a brain and is not in your cult!!!
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Market share does not lie
davidhite 26th Jan 2010
Simple. People like windows. Get over it
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Market share...
Buddah7777 26th Jan 2010
Windows has the largest market share due to
heavy handed tactics. Such as contracts with
companies that manufacture computers and
stating that windows is the only os they can
put on them. Another instance is schools. The
contract the govt. be it city county or state ,
signed a contract that limits their use of
software os to windows only. THAT is how MS got
its market share.
When it cam to running DOS OS2 warp ran
circles around it. Now OS2 is reborn as ecomm
station.
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The people's choice???
pfyearwood 26th Jan 2010
What choice? Go into a store and ask for a Linux computer. don't let the blank stare scare you. ask if you can get a clean hard drive in that off the shelf system and if it would cost less.

Then, try to take it out without the Nerd Hurd et al warning you about malware and the need for A/V.

Paul

A Chuck fan.
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It's like talking to a mirror, isn't it, LATW?
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Hopefully this wont turn out like last weeks New Zealand story. Open source activist Jeremy Allison joined the talkbacks there to note hes given the same talk about Microsoft attacking open source patents for years. a b c d
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But if this was done with the sole purpose of sticking it to MS (and it probably was since NZ negotiated software licenses that it paid for but which the school isn't using), then there is a problem. a b c d e
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In any case, the Albany story has blown away San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsoms announcement of a new open source policy for the city, under which departments must consider open source software in developing new applications. a b c d e f
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The name of New Zealand
pjotr123 25th Jan 2010
...is not Danish in origin, but Dutch. It refers to the Dutch province Zeeland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand

Key quote:
"The first European name for New Zealand was Staten Landt, the name given to it by the Dutch explorer Abel Tasman, who in 1642 became the first European to see the islands. Tasman assumed it was part of a southern continent connected with land discovered in 1615 off the southern tip of South America by Jacob Le Maire, which had been named Staten Landt, meaning "Land of the (Dutch) States-General".[14][15] The name New Zealand originated with Dutch cartographers, who called the islands Nova Zeelandia, after the Dutch province of Zeeland.[15] No one is certain exactly who first coined the term, but it first appeared in 1645 and may have been the choice of cartographer Johan Blaeu.[16] British explorer James Cook subsequently anglicised the name to New Zealand. There is no connection to the Danish island Zealand."
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Wiki, eh?
greenoil 25th Jan 2010
Citing Wikipedia is just a starting point to find information. It is not a trusted source. I can just change wiki and show that New Zealand is orginated from Newfoundland Canada. Be careful when using Wikipedia.
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I believe he knows the subject quite well and
The Mentalist 25th Jan 2010
cited wikipedia only to post faster.

I think he's Dutch.
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Correct on both assumptions...
pjotr123 25th Jan 2010
I'm Dutch, know something about Dutch history and only used Wikipedia as quick evidence to back my claim. happy
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Oops - we did exactly the same
temponame 25th Jan 2010
nt
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All in the good cause.... (NT)
pjotr123 25th Jan 2010
NT
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48 servers to 4?
OhTheHumanity 25th Jan 2010
Sounds like someone was not doing things right in the first place. What kind of school is that requires 48 servers? Was it a university? Just sounds odd to me. We run a fully electronic company here and we are not close to 48 servers and we run Microsoft through many of our processes.

48 to 4, someone was just massively incompetent.
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Every Report About This is Wrong
daengbo 26th Jan 2010
Dana's not especially to blame here. There are
many reports circulating, but all of them assume
facts when there are none.

In truth, the new server room, built to
standards for an MS solution, will have (4) 48U
server racks, and the school currently uses four
_main_ servers. Someone early on implied that
this means a fifty-fold reduction in servers.
It's just not true (or possible).

Firstly, the racks will not contain only
servers: there will be cabling, telephony, and
room for expansion. Secondly, there are more
than four servers at this NZ school currently,
including back-up. A given solution with Linux
generally takes fewer servers than the same MS
solution, but the difference is only a couple of
servers, not 40+. The big dividend comes in what
you pay for administration (Good Linux admins
cost more than good MCSEs but service more
people per money unit).

The incompetence was on the part of the original
reporters of the story.
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About the name "New Zealand":
temponame 25th Jan 2010
"The first European name for New Zealand was Staten Landt, the name given to it by the Dutch explorer Abel Tasman, who in 1642 became the first European to see the islands. Tasman assumed it was part of a southern continent connected with land discovered in 1615 off the southern tip of South America by Jacob Le Maire, which had been named Staten Landt, meaning "Land of the (Dutch) States-General".[14][15] The name New Zealand originated with Dutch cartographers, who called the islands Nova Zeelandia, after the Dutch province of Zeeland.[15] No one is certain exactly who first coined the term, but it first appeared in 1645 and may have been the choice of cartographer Johan Blaeu.[16] British explorer James Cook subsequently anglicised the name to New Zealand.
There is no connection to the Danish island Zealand."
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all those poor kids
Aussie_Troll 25th Jan 2010
They will get out of that school and enter the real world, when they apply for a job like here in australia, you'll be asked what you're computer skills are, they will ask if you know MS windows and Office.

If you dont, it's simple, someone else will get the job.

sorry, thats just the way it is.
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What kind of job?
AndyCee Updated - 26th Jan 2010
Scenario 1
Interviewer: "For this secretarial role we're looking for a recent school-leaver with good communication skills and confident with office computing. What's your experience"

Applicant: "I've used computers for the past 6 years for submitting & formatting assignments and reports. I can type at 40pm, and I completed the highest level of English in the top band."

Interviewer: "So you used Microsoft Office at school?"

Applicant: "No, I used it at home. The school I went to used OpenOffice, and I used a file format that worked in both programs so I could work at both home and school".

Interviewer: "You have experience typing & formatting with a software suite foreign to that used in our environment? GET OUT!"

Scenario 2
Interviewer: "For this system administrator role we're looking for a recent school-leaver with good planning skills and experience with Active Directory. What's your experience"

Applicant: "I completed a Microsoft Server 2003 course during the holidays. I directed a play last year for the Drama class group project, which received a grade in the top band. Also obviously all the word-processing software we used for assignments."

Interviewer: "So you used Microsoft Office at school?"

Applicant: "Used to, but they changed to OpenOffice & Linux when I got to high school. My parents had Windows & Microsoft Office installed, and I dual-booted Fedora and Vista on my laptop"

Interviewer: "I'm sorry, your experience is exactly what we're looking for, but I'm not comfortable hiring someone who has a greater range of experience than our other applicants. Thanks."

/sarcasm>

Really, people hiring recent school-leavers are looking for the most basic of skills and a motivated personality. My secretary friend reckons she would hire someone with only OpenOffice experience if they were motivated and willing to learn (pardon the clich?s).

Except for tech-support and secretarial roles, what kind of job might a student possibly be disadvantaged in applying for if they used Linux & openoffice at school? Electrician? Lawyer? Teacher? Oh wait - they require years of training at another institution which will have a mandatory "Basic Computer Skills" training course anyway.

Old unsupported argument. Makes sense at a glance, might happen to an unlucky student. My school computing experience counted for bupkis, and I easily gained employment in a Windows tech support role without it.
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Supports my cult claim above.

I once was told that a school I was working for should use PCs cause
the kids would need to use DOS when they left school.

I wrote a paper explaining the short future of DOS at the time.
Sounded quite ridiculous to some, how could DOS die out. Of course
who gets asked can they use DOS before they get a job now???

My niece who is a long time Mac user got her job in Australia based
partly on her excellent computer skills. Her PC experience before her
job was almost non-existant, she went to a school that is entirely
Mac. She has always had Macs, She worked previously for me using
Macs only.

She did have some exposure to windows but not any long term use.

She still is one of the more capable PC users out there.

I have watched many times as MS Office versions change and PC users
struggle to re-learn.

If a school is doing it's job it will teach the student skills that are
transportable from one application to another, rather than skills that
will become obsolete every 2 years when the next App/Version is
released.

Can you use Windows 2011 well? Do you have experience in it? Or
what about the next product that replaces it? If not then better plan
on retirement then!

Oh no, when that is released you'll take you word processing skills
and learn where the menus have moved to, and what the functions are
now called and slowly learn the new features and still be churning out
documents in the process, because the main skills involved are
knowing how to type, how to save, how to print, that you can set fonts
and styles but shouldn't do it too much, and more importantly that
these skills are the basics of word processing.

And if you go for a job interview just as the new Office is released you
will say, 'No I have not used the new version but I have plenty of
experience in preparing documents and I am sure I will pick it up
quickly'.

And of course it helps not to be blinkered, if you for instance used a
non MS product, and also did use an MS product for a small time you
would learn more and understand what is the core process, and what
is just the UI and feature set of a particular product, and would be
better educated and prepared to cope with changes in the Apps and
Versions you are asked to use in the work environment.

In short it is not beneficial to teach the most common product only. It
is certainly not beneficial to teach with the hardest to use and most
complex product, even if it does have the largest market share, that
way you hide the core skills in the understanding of the bad design.

And it is certainly not beneficial to teach based on outdated
technology because you believe that market share beats quality or
usability, because all Applications no matter how popular will change
with time, and even change whilst the students are at school, so if
they learn word in Year 9 it will not be the same application in Year
12.
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Right
daengbo Updated - 26th Jan 2010
Like anyone will really care about proficiency in
MS
Office 2007 in 2017. Do you think I'd put
"Proficient in MS Office 95, 97, and 2000" on my
current CV?
You, sir/ma'am, are deeply mistaken. Anyone who only
learns a specific piece of software is not learning
anything useful. If taught concepts (i.e. encouraged to
form an accurate "mental model" about what's going on
*behind* the software's interface) will develop insight.

When I was in school, MS Office was on DOS, and was a
piece of crap compared to other applications like
Wordperfect... and yet somehow I now almost never use
Wordperfect for DOS... surely I should be living in a box
under a bridge, right? Oddly enough, I now run an IT
company that produces free and open source software
solutions! Crikey, how could that happen?

Rest assured, most students have a lot more prospects
than you might think (if that's not too much of a strain
for you).

Dave
Hi its Philip Copeman here from the TurboCASH Accounting project. www.turbocash.net

Where do you get that that Open Source is "Not the Only way forward"

What other possible way could there be? We have this MS deal in schools here in South Africa too. My daughter was given a free copy of Accessa at school, but when she wanted to study at home (She wanted and got a distinction in CS), she was invited to pruchase a home copy. These proprietary deals are now simply a rear guard action. Using bribery, human capital all that is possible, it is simply the self interest of an industry in its decline cycle.

In marketing terms we call these users the Laggards - they are the opposite of the Early Adopters. They will be around for a while. Like you can still buy vinyl records or VHS tapes, but thats all it is - the opposite of Early Adopters.

But none of this lets you say the Open source is not the only way froward. Clearly it is the only way froward. The other ways are sideways or backwards.
WikiPedias definition of Stages of Marketing Innovations

Laggards

Individuals in this category are the last to adopt an innovation. Unlike some of the previous categories, individuals in this category show little to no opinion leadership. These individuals typically have an aversion to change-agents and tend to be advanced in age. Laggards typically tend to be focused on ?traditions?, have lowest social status, lowest financial fluidity, oldest of all other adopters, in contact with only family and close friends, very little to no opinion leadership.
Does it work? good for them if so.
Open source is not the only solution, and anyone who says
it is is lying. I try to use as much open source software
as I can, but a lot of it is under developed and under
supported.
Higher ups get worried about free software, for whatever
reason(support, large usage)
M$ is not the end all, neither is linux.
Having used Linux since debian 1.0 I can say that with
the right administration, Linux will beat windows all
the time every time. Over 90% of the servers are
running Linux for the web.
If you look at the whois command most of the time the
os listed for the server is apache. That is the Linux
webserver. No transport protocol translation needs to
be done.
Linux programs are smaller faster and more reliable.
Linux does not have to be defragged like windows does
due to its having its own partition for a swap file.
Windows after 98 requires the swap file to be on the
same partition. You can limit the size but thats about
all. Windows is constantly moving things around. So,
every week or so it get bogged down and then slows to
a crawl due to the fact that windows will use all of
your free space for a swap file, leaving little bits
of code all over to S L O W you down. I much prefer
penguins and lil devils to a window.
If windows was to have a proper splash screen and
icon it would be a broken window.
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For what it`s worth....
Buddah7777 26th Jan 2010
OS2 WARP was the best at running anything DOS. Due to
unfair trade practice of MS IBM shut down OS2. HOWEVER...
It has been resurrected. It has new hardware updates a
new 32 and 64 bit process handler. The name is no longer
IBM OS2 WARP. It is now Ecomm station. If it is half the
program os2 was then it will prove to be a great
alternative to MS Apple Linux or Unix.
I'm surprised they didn't try that Romanian distro based on Ubuntu. The one everyone thinks is from NZ. You know, Kiwi Linux.

Paul
In any case, the Albany story has blown away San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom?s announcement of a new open source policy for the city, under which departments must ?consider open source software? in developing new applications.
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