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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols & Paula Rooney

LibreOffice motors right along with a new release

By | June 7, 2011, 3:04pm PDT

Summary: OpenOffice goes to Apache? So what! The Document Foundation has just released LibreOffice 3.4.0.

OK, so Oracle did give OpenOffice’s intellectual property (IP) to The Apache Foundation. So what! The Document Foundation (TDF), which forked OpenOffice into LibreOffice, isn’t waving the white flag. Instead, the group has released its next major LibreOffice version: LibreOffice 3.4.

TDF proudly boasts that the latest LibreOffice “incorporates the contributions of over 120 developers (six times as many as the first beta released on the launch date).” And, that, “The majority of these contributors have started to hack LibreOffice code less than eight months ago, and this is an incredible achievement if one recalls that the OOo [OpenOffice.org] project has attracted a lower number of contributors in ten years.”

How does LibreOffice do it? In a statement, Italo Vignoli, a TDF Steering Committee member said, “We care for our developers, and it shows. Our core developers have invented the mechanism of the easy hacks, which makes it simple and enjoyable for volunteer contributors to get to know LibreOffice code challenging their development skills with basic or elementary tasks.”

This is the same approach that the Linux Driver Project uses. By starting developers with simple problems and helping them work those out they learn how to create better software.

Michael Meeks, a senior SUSE Linux developer and leading LibreOffice programmer said, “Once they have completed the first easy hacks, contributors are ready to scale to more difficult tasks. We spend quite a lot of time mentoring new contributors, in order to increase the number of people working on bug fixing, patches and features. This is soon going to be reflected in the quality of the software and the number of new features of future releases.”

So how have they improved LibreOffice this time and what new features have been added? Most of the work in this version seems to be improvements rather than standout features.

True, LibreOffice 3.4.0 Calc, its answer to Microsoft Excel, is much faster and has improved Excel import compatibility.

Most of the changes though are cosmetic or under the hood. For example, the user interfaces of Writer; Impress, LibreOffice’s take on PowerPoint; and Draw have been improved and a lot of junk code has been trimmed away.

TDF also states that “LibreOffice 3.4 is targeted to community members and power users, and should not be implemented in a corporate environment.”

I’ve been using LibreOffice 3.4 on Mint Linux and Windows XP for several days so far and I haven’t seen any problems. That said there are known problems.

The biggest of these, as I see it, is that if you try to save a spreadsheet to XLS you can lose formatting. I avoid that by almost always working in Open Document Format (ODF) Spreadsheet (.ods). If you’re using LibreOffice and Microsoft Office in your office on spreadsheets, I’d certainly avoid it for now.

Indeed, TDF recommends that offices don’t use LibreOffice until 3.4.1 appears. That’s actually pretty good advice for any software release of any sort. In any case, TDF will support LibreOffice 3.3.x until the end of 2011.

Ready to give it to try? You can download the latest LibreOffice from the site. Enjoy!

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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RE: LibreOffice motors right along with a new release
gayep Updated - 14th Oct
I use MS Office. It's much user friendly. I tried using Open Office before but I didn't like it so I switched back to MS Office. I was much more convenient with MS Powerpoint with my homes for sale , mortgage rates and Ottawa apartments presentation. But the choice depends on which the user is most comfortable with.
I love what LibreOffice is doing, but you need to pay attention to the fact that, for whatever reason, release 3.4.0 is not considered a stable release. This is some peculiarity of the time-driven release scheme where *.*.0 is not stable on purpose (but there were already 2 *.*.0 betas).

The only recommended stable release is 3.3.2 (which is achievement enough) and there is a 3.3.3rc1 in the wings.
Where are the replacements for MS OneNote, Visio and SharePoint? These are the new power office programs.

They make a big deal about "taking care of their developers" but they really should be listening to what customers want.

I know everybody here is just ga-ga about sticking it to Oracle, but the real world wants real alternatives free from political in-fighting. And so MS Office is the only product that delivers. The rest are late to the party and have lots of catching up to do!
@otaddy Agreed. As one poster previously mentioned on another ZDNet blog, try listing LibreOffice on your resume and see if you get hired.
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@otaddy

BasKet is a good alternative for onenote. But it's not available for Windows. Instead of sharepoint, you can just as good use a FOSS CMS or if you want an easier solution, use DropBox. And for Visio, Draw will do for the major part of the users.

Anyway, I don't use any office programs any more. For documents and presentations I use LaTeX and pdf (which is the de facto standard if you want to spread documents), that's a lot easier to use if you want to write math. Instead of excel, I write my own little scripts. And access, well, that's not a real database management tool. Something like MySQL + php is a lot more powerfull.

But Open/Libreoffice does a good job in bringing a free alternative for Office. After all, you have the choice: if you want to pay for Office, I won't stop you, if you think LO is good enough for all your work, I won't stop you either. My choice is made and I don't think that I will change it quick.
Is there an update feature now, or do we still have to download the whole shebang for updates past 3.4.0?
@joeschmo1of3
If you are running Windows version yes you do need to down load the complete file, if running Linux version will be updated according to that Linux distro.
when the much better MS Office is just as free to use.
If you're paying money to use any mass adopted MS products, then obviously you suck at IT in general.
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Sure .... it is free
wackoae 7th Jun
@cym104 .... and totally ILLEGAL.
@wackoae

So my posts keep being removed. But, if you know where to look, Microsoft software can be obtained for cheap, however, I'm not sure you can go about those means for corporate wide adoption.
@cym104 stealing MS products

Yeah, that's a great idea if you want to lose your job and cost your office a whole lot of money. I pity your boss.
@boomchuck1
No need to worry here in China though wink
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Wait for that idiot Linux Geek to come and troll
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@shellcodes_coder

Here is that idiot Linux Geek (seriously, I'm to stupid to use Windows) and I say: The choice is yours. use Office if you want to, use LO when you want to. That's what freedom is about.
@sanderd17 Obviously you must be new to ZDNet and have never met Linux Geek.
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LO compatibility still sucks
statuskwo5 7th Jun
"The biggest of these, as I see it, is that if you try to save a spreadsheet to XLS you can lose formatting. I avoid that by almost always working in Open Document Format (ODF) Spreadsheet (.ods)."

This has been the problem with OpenOffice/LibreOffice ever since I started using it (and I only used it when I must). Also, what's the point of saving it in .ods when we all know .xls/.xlsx is the "standard". Especially in business and school environments.
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No kidding !!!
wackoae 7th Jun
@statuskwo5 I tried using LO last night ... it SUCKS!!!

I used OpenOffice before and although not perfect, it doesn't suck as much as LibreOffice. I could not believe how bad the fork turned out to be.

I think the Apache devs will do a hell of a lot better job when they assign a group to the OOo source. But for now, LO is no longer a free option I would suggest to anybody. I think that when someone needs an office suite for basic stuff (and don't have the money to get a LEGAL license of MSO), I will just tell them to download IBM Lotus Symphony.
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It's about time!
zdnet@... 8th Jun
@wackoae

I was beginning to think the trolls and shills had taken the day off!

And those of us who have been using it successfully must be doing something wrong.
@statuskwo5 ... Wow! You're just parroting without any real data behinid you, aren't you? That's definitely not what I see around this area!
@tom@... It's personal experience, plain and simple. What I don't see is OpenOffice/Libre Office being used in school or business environments. I never said one can't use it (I used it plenty of times), but there is a compatibility cost associated with it.
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Keep your post count up Vaughan-Nichols
Raid6 Updated - 7th Jun
Love the hyphenated name almost as much as I love the continued forks and splintering of all things Open Source...LOL.

I mean sure, I use Apache, Perl, PHP, MySQL, have used Python, thought about Ruby, Postgre is on my Radar... you get my drift. So other than server, db and scripting technologies what open source products/initiatives are widely accepted by any demographic?
@Raid6

Maybe VLC? Mozilla Firefox? Chrome? But allow me to say that most users just use the desktop as-it-is. They don't change any program unless they need to for school or work. So you end up with windows media player, ie, an Office that is nagging to get paid and a lot of other bloat.
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@Raid6 or Wordpress?, Joomla?, Drupal? OpenX? Ubuntu? ....nah they're all unpopular
@krems04

Woordpress, Joomla, Drupal are CMS's. They use succesful Open Source technologies.

Ubuntu succesful? How do you conclude that? What are the numbers.....hmmmmmmm?

As I stated other then technologies that are associated with the Internet, Open Source has not produced any success stories.

Is this the year of the Linux Desktop?

Is this the year that business will embrace OO or Libre?

Who owns MySQL today? Don't get me wrong, I use MySQL heavily but I worry because it gets punted as much as Java does these days.

I have more confidence in the commercial market than I do the Open Source, save Apache and related technologies.
That UI leaves a little to be desired. Those icons give the toolbars a "cluttered" feeling.
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Ribbon UI
facebook@... 8th Jun
@Cylon Centurion The Ribbon UI found in not just Office, but other products, is a powerful tool to organize complex menu systems. Gone are the days of File-->Print, except for the most rudimentary and fundamental applications.
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@facebook@... - That UI Ribbon that MS shoved down everyone's throat is horrendous. I've been using MS Office 2007 for a couple of years now, and I STILL can't figure out where the things are that I need. I finally had to resort to downloading a hack to give me back the File-->Print menu bar so I can use the blasted thing. Just because something is newer, doesn't mean it is better. At least the latest version of Firefox gives you the option of using the menu bar or not. For the record, I don't use it.
The developer initiative is a good step forward. Though personally I would prefer that LO and OOo merge, given that the IP is now controlled by Apache Foundation. Before we start seeing multiple forks, I believe the product should develop in to being a viable & preferred replacement of MS Office.
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Good move
xyz10_z 8th Jun
I have not used Windows Office for the past 12 years. I am well employed and well paid developer. I always type my applications and resumes on OO.

Unless you have written lots of macros in MS Office, all the documents are portable and you are able to produce high quality documents in OO.

Lots of people are too lazy to learn a different product or too tied to one product.
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While Libre Office might lack some of the features available in M$ Orifice, it is good enough for most people. Most people want a word processor to write letters and maybe books/articles, and maybe a spreadsheet or database for home projects. Libre Office does this very well, and it saves the letters in M$ format if you need to email something like a job application.
@colinmeister

Your conclusion may be correct, it may posses the capability of doing what most users want. But it is yet another fork, another splinter where an open source product is acquired, the developers break up into different factions, and then bam.... you have a new project.

Libre will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be successful because it is just another project supported by volunteers who will never be able to market it because they have to donate their time, their intellectual property and it does not integrate into the MS (or as you put it, the M$) ecosystem as does Office
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Which if course explains TEX
ego.sum.stig@... 8th Jun
And majestic herds of other (F)OSS software that people lap up and use/abuse every year/month/day/hour/minute/second etc. Face it, you will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be successful with a lie such as yours. Not that you won't stop trying.
@ego.sum.stig

"And majestic herds of other (F)OSS software that people lap up and use/abuse every year/month/day/hour/minute/second etc. Face it, you will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be successful with a lie such as yours. Not that you won't stop trying."

Huh?
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L. O. is obviously still in its infancy. It's going to stumble occasionally. Anyone who implicitly advocates for a single "standard" (without trying to find a way to efficiently convert between applications and platforms, thus fostering transparent interchangeability) is acquiescing to being an owned, dependent, cult-of-the-corporation stooge.

Did it ever occur to these ideological shills and cultists that it's because other competitors vie for M.O.'s market share that Microflaccid strives to keep up their game, and offer more for less?

The petulant whining about convenience, without considering the benefits of diversity, is incredibly myopic. Moreover, it exhibits the lame inability of a lazy, spoiled, self-indulgent, corporate-narcissistic child, to defer instant gratification for long-term operational integrity, independence and security. Supporting open and fair competition between equally-matched and competent rivals is the crucible of creation. And it is from this font of leap-frogging innovation that a sustainable quality of technology-enhanced life almost always inures to the benefit of the consumer.

Again, assuring long-term operational integrity, independence and security is your challenge people. Rise to it. The fat cats are going to ply you and lull you with warm, fuzzy, big-corporate paternalism, while they foster your dependence, and at the same time, take more and give less.
@Heretical1

"...fostering transparent interchangeability..."

"...cult-of-the-corporation stooge..."

"...without considering the benefits of diversity, is incredibly myopic..."

"...exhibits the lame inability of a lazy, spoiled, self-indulgent, corporate-narcissistic child, to defer instant gratification for long-term operational integrity..."

"...assuring long-term operational integrity, independence and security..."

Do you read aloud as you type? My gawd just what were you trying to say anwyay?

So my question is simply: Where does size of user base fit into the picture?
@Raid6

So you're saying "size matters" for you? What about everyone else? --->> "Did it ever occur to these ideological shills and cultists that it's because other competitors vie for M.O.'s market share that Microflaccid strives to keep up their game, and offer more for less?"
@Heretical1

"...ideological shills and cultists..."

Love it...thanks because I needed this, been a tough day.

"So you're saying "size matters" for you? What about everyone else?"

Size doesn't matter to me but when it comes to support, future support and development it certainly does matter, generally speaking.

Countless open source programs that lacked support faded away as fast as a fart in the wind. As already small initiatives splinter then the user base also becomes further fractured.

How many times can you split the userbase.

In fact, even with an onion, eventually you get to the core and find that really there is very little there.

And finally as for MS trying to keep up their game, that is what for profit companies do!

What I prefer is what I prefer. What I comment about and the perspectives that I offer (and questions I raise) are rooted in my experiences and priorities.

Use what you want for your personal use, I don't care. I prefer to have confidence that there is a support model and to have a certain confidence that what I am using today will be available (and supported) tomorrow.
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(duplicate post) Doh!
For the average home or small business user, LibreOffice works great. I have it on all of my machines across platforms, and I am moving enough of my friends and family to it that in the future I may not even have to save documents in other formats when sharing them.
@littlemas2@...

And what happens when half the project volunteers get upset and decide to start a new project and there is further splintering.

Many, many years ago I wanted an Amiga 4000. My buddy told me that I should not get what simply works today and what I like but what will be supported for the long term.

Well about six months later Commodore was filing Bankruptcy. I am so glad I did not spend my money on what was then technically the best platform in its day. Great, it is really top notch but no one supports it...what will I do then?

No, I want a platform that I can count on.
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I use it at work daily... 3.3.1 build 8. No complaints yet.
I really don't care whether it is Openoffice or Libreoffice. I just want things to work.
Unfortunately, a really basic function of "Clear Formatting" or CTRL+M didn't work in LibreOffice. Back I went to OpenOffice. Actually keyboard shortcuts is what is preventing me from using Microsoft Office.

Once the docx/xlsx compatibility is resolved, there will be no reason for to keep the debate going.
Whenever a document goes out, it is always PDF.
I really don't care whether it is Openoffice or Libreoffice. I just want things to work.
Unfortunately, a really basic function of "Clear Formatting" or CTRL+M didn't work in LibreOffice. Back I went to OpenOffice. Actually knowing the keyboard shortcuts in Ooo is what is preventing me from using Microsoft Office.

Once the docx/xlsx compatibility is resolved, there will be no reason for to keep the debate going.
Whenever a document goes out, it is always PDF.
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I use MS Office. It's much user friendly. I tried using Open Office before but I didn't like it so I switched back to MS Office. I was much more convenient with MS Powerpoint with my homes for sale , mortgage rates and Ottawa apartments presentation. But the choice depends on which the user is most comfortable with.

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