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Linux Foundation proposes to use UEFI to make PCs secure and free

By | October 28, 2011, 8:41am PDT

Summary: The Linux Foundation and friends are working on using UEFI so that computers can be both more secure and give users freedom of operating system choice instead of using Microsoft’s secure boot plan to lock users into Windows 8.

UEFI, Secure Boot, and Freedom

UEFI, Secure Boot, and Freedom of choice

Microsoft’s proposed use of Unfied Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) in Windows 8 could be used to block all other operating systems from Windows 8 systems. The Linux Foundation and partners have a better idea: Secure computers with UEFI and give users freedom of operating system choice.

In the Linux Foundation document, Making UEFI Secure Boot Work With Open Platforms (PDF Link), James Bottomley, CTO of Server Virtualization at Parallels and Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Chair Jonathan Corbet, Editor at LWN.net and fellow Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Member, after consulting with other Linux leaders, explain how “Linux and other open operating systems will be able to take advantage of secure boot if it is implemented properly in the hardware.”

At the same time, Red Hat and Canonical, Ubuntu’s parent company, have published UEFI Secure Boot Impact on Linux (PDF Link). This document presents a set of recommendations that will allow users the freedom to choose their software, while retaining the security features of UEFI Secure Boot, and complying with open source licenses used in distributions of Linux.”

What’s all this about? UEFI is the greatly improved, 21st century version of your PC’s BIOS. Its job is initializing your PC’s hardware and then handing hardware control over to your operating system. Microsoft plans to UEFI in Windows 8 certified systems to securely boot the system and avoid some malware. Good enough, but Winodws 8’s UEFI-based secure boot could also be used to block other operating systems. In particular, Windows 8 clients must be certified with UEFI mod in a way that supports Windows 8’s secure boot.

While some Microsoft fans claim that this isn’t a problem and that “Linux fanatics want to make Windows 8 less secure,” that’s not the case. Linux developers see the advantages of UEFI secure boot protection. They just object to Microsoft’s specific secure boot UEFI implementation proposals.

In the Linux Foundation document, Bottomley and Corbet explain that “‘Secure boot’ is a technology described by recent revisions of the UEFI specification; it offers the prospect of a hardware-verified, malware-free operating system bootstrap process that can improve the security of many system deployments. Linux and other open operating systems will be able to take advantage of secure boot if it is implemented properly in the hardware. This document is intended to describe how the UEFI secure boot specification can be implemented to interoperate well with open systems and to avoid adversely affecting the rights of the owners of those systems while providing compliance with proprietary software vendors’ requirements.”

To keep systems both secure and open, they propose operating system vendors and original equipment manufacturer should follow these recommendations:

  • All platforms that enable UEFI secure boot should ship in setup mode where the owner has control over which platform key (PK) is installed. It should also be possible for the owner to return a system to setup mode in the future if needed.
  • The initial bootstrap of an operating system should detect a platform in the setup mode,
  • install its own key-exchange key (KEK), and install a platform key to enable secure boot.
  • A firmware-based mechanism should be established to allow a platform owner to add new key-exchange keys to a system running in secure mode so that dual-boot systems can be set up.
  • A firmware-based mechanism for easy booting of removable media.
  • At some future time, an operating-system- and vendor-neutral certificate authority should be established to issue KEKs for third-party hardware and software vendors.

They then explain that this system could still work with Microsoft’s Windows 8’s plans. Since the UEFI secure boot system can be summarized in terms of a two-key system with “a PK, which is designed to be controlled by the Platform Owner (whoever owns the hardware) and a set of KEKs, which are designed to be controlled by the OEM and OS vendors. “Controlled” in this sense means that these keys are public/private key pairs; whoever knows the private key is the key controller, but to install the key, you only need the public piece, which means KEKs may be installed by anybody without controlling them.”

Therefore, OEMs shipping Windows 8, or any other system, could ship the PC “with all the KEKs required to allow validation of the firmware and drivers installed in the signature database (section 27.6.1). The signature database will be inactive while the platform is in setup mode, but, once secure boot is activated, the firmware and all of the add in driver components must validate correctly for the platform to progress to boot the Operating System”

Then when you boot an a secure boot OS for the first time the system would detect that the platform is in setup mode and immediately switch the platform to the secure mode by installing a platform key after it has installed the KEK corresponding to the its own code.” In the case of an open operating system this would “likely generate a new PK at first boot, install the public component and save the private component to external media for the user.”

The Linux Foundation also points out that Microsoft’s take on secure boot and UEFI, where a user puts all his or her trust into the Windows 8 system “runs counter to the UEFI recommendation that the platform owner be the PK controller and would ensure that the Windows operating system would then become the only bootable operating system on the platform.” Nevertheless, the Linux Foundation doesn’t want to turn this into a Windows-Linux fight.

Bottomley and Corbet state that if a user wants to let Microsoft lock them into Windows 8, “we must agree that it is a legitimate choice for an informed user to make voluntarily.” In the Linux Foundation plan, OEMs and users can still do this. “It is enabled in our blueprint above by allowing the Microsoft OEM ignition system to install the OEM PK instead of generating a new PK specific to the installation. This can be achieved simply and securely because only the public half of the PK needs to be carried by the ignition system to affect this lockdown of the platform.”

Red Hat and Canonical take a somewhat stronger view, but it’s one that both Microsoft and OEMs should be able to live with. In addition to recommending hardware be shipped in setup mode. They recommend that:

  • All OEMs allow secure boot to be easily disabled and enabled through a firmware configuration interface.
  • All OEMs (with assistance from BIOS vendors) provide a standardized
  • mechanism for configuring keys in system firmware.

While this addresses the initial problem of certified Windows 8 PCs operating system lock up, it still leaves what Bottomley and Corbet say, is one of the “few shortcomings in the UEFI model (and it is a deliberate omission because of the complexity of running a certification system) is that there’s no designated root of trust in the current proposals.”

Bottomley and Corbet would like to address this problem by using a trust certification system that UEFI already allows: “X.509 [an ITU-I and IETF public key infrastructure security system] certificates to be present in the signature database. The X.509 trust model, which is the one upon which web server and browser security certificates are based, allows signatures and signing keys to be traced back to a single root of trust. This would allow for one (or more) Certificate Authority keys to be placed in the UEFI signature database and would then allow the designated Certificate Authorities to issue both KEKs (and even signing keys that allow the production of KEKs) to third parties that would still validate back to the original CA root of trust. The UEFI specification (section 27.7.1) even allows for the revocation of KEKs should the original authorized user have lost control of them, which is all the necessary machinery you need to operate a fully functional CA.”

So, the Linux Foundation proposes “that all the interested parties establish a Certificate Authority whose key should be placed in the UEFI firmware table by default; this authority would become responsible for handing out signed KEKs to UEFI device vendors (for their UEFI drivers), UEFI OEM platform vendors (for their firmware images) and OS vendors (for securely booting their OSs). The operation of such a CA would have to be platform- and OS-neutral and would have to adhere to the usual standards of trust and security (presumably by having a controlling board made up of representatives from the various parties), but it would solve a greater part of the driver and OS verification problem because anything signed with an un-revoked KEK traceable back to the CA root key would be automatically trusted by the UEFI firmware for secure boot.”

This lack of a Certificate Authority isn’t a problem just for smaller operating system vendors. OEMs are also concerned about the costs of Windows 8’s proposed UEFI secure boot and its lack of a X.509 certificate.

Even if operating system vendors and OEMs can’t come to an agreement on a certificate authority, that doesn’t have to block independent operating systems from UEFI secure boot protected systems. Bottomley and Corbet point out that “The establishment of an independent certificate authority for the creation of KEKs would make interoperation easier, but is not necessary for these platforms to support open systems.” Instead, “In the absence of the establishment of a trust model, we therefore recommend that non-verifying external media be booted with a simple firmware based present user permission check when the system is in user mode with secure boot enabled.”

So in the end, the Linux Foundation and its allies conclude that “while some observers have expressed concerns that secure boot could be used to exclude open systems from the market … there is no need for things to be that way. If vendors ship their systems in the setup mode and provide a means to add new KEKs to the firmware, those systems will fully support open operating systems while maintaining compliance with the Windows 8 logo requirements.” The ball is now in Microsoft’s court.

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RE: Linux Foundation proposes to use UEFI to make PCs secure and free
western21 9th Nov
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Two problems
Tim Patterson 28th Oct
First, MS want's PCs to be like a closed appliance. When something goes wrong just trash the box buy new and MS sells another license.

Secondly, our anything but benevolent government is in complete police-state mode. They want access to all keys. If keys are decided by OEMs then they have them. If keys are chosen by users then it becomes more difficult for government.

UEFI is a great thing if it is left to users to choose keys. This way we retain control of our own systems.
@Tim Patterson
Force people onto Linux?
@William Farrell
lol good one
@William Farrell

LOL!
@William Farrell LOL That's exactly their wish! Yeah everyone is just dying to be stuck with a hobbyist's 24/7 tinker toy. I'm sorry, but Linux has been struggling below 1% for decades and it's time for it to just fade away. I've toyed with it for years and never found it worth doing anything more than tinkering. Let it go.

This does make me wonder, though. Every geek who wants to create a "new" OS takes the lazy way out and starts with the free Linux kernel. Has every geek in the world forgotten how to write a kernel? In the early days, there were literally dozens of OS kernels floating around, with new ones appearing all the time. It's far past time for a true uber geek to go "old school" and write something better from scratch. Perhaps the death of Linux would finally motivate the best of the best to replace it with totally new tech from THIS century. A completely new and modern OS might succeed where Linux has failed for decades.
@BillDem: There are many that will beg to differ with your prose. I use Linux everyday at work and at home. It's the only OS I use for my job. Just because you are to inept to find a use for Linux other than "tinkering" doesn't mean Linux sucks and needs to go away, it means you have a bias and are allowing that bias to dictate your prose.
@Linux User 147560 "Just because you are to inept to find a use for Linux other than "tinkering"

Clearly he's not too inept. What he states is right on the money. Linux is a giant pain in the ass to use for the vast majority of people, and it's only suited for computer nerds who love to tinker. Because the Linux OS needs constant tinkering to keep it running. Most people don't want to have f&ck around with their computer all the time because of some crappy OS.
@jhammackHTH
"Clearly he's not too inept. What he states is right on the money. Linux is a giant pain in the ass to use for the vast majority of people, and it's only suited for computer nerds who love to tinker. Because the Linux OS needs constant tinkering to keep it running."

You do realize this isn't evidence, just completely unsupported claims you're making, right? You do realize that when you make a claim or propose something, you're supposed to support that claim with facts, evidence and reasoning? You do realize that bold, inflammatory and unfounded assertions don't add anything to the discussion, right?
@Tim Patterson

You do realize that Windows 8 has built in recovery technologies, right!? When something goes wrong (if it's not hardware related), simply roll back the installation. If it requires hardware replacement, simply re-install as you would do now.

Neat, huh?
@Cylon Centurion Yeah, and System Restore has been proven to be so reliable, eh?
@JustCallMeBC

" The Developer Preview comes with two new recovery functions. Namely, Refresh and Reset, which both make a complete restore easier than a re-installation. The former keeps all settings & files of the user intact and only reverses all changes to Windows files to its original state and removes all installed programs and apps. The latter deletes all files and effectively re-installs Windows, but without any additional user input such as agreeing to license agreements or selecting a hard disk required. After a reset completes, the user will be asked for the product key and will then proceed to account creation. "

@Cylon Centurion
My Windows 7 never revert back to what it was after a friend plugged in a faulty USB.
You sure know that in order to revert back, history or some backup files are necessary. Then, recovery cannot really help PC survive real fatal damages.
Recovery is not time machine.
@Cylon Centurion , since when did new PCs come with a Windows installer DVD?
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Restore???
Bradish@... 29th Oct
@Cylon Centurion where and when has restore been reliable? Re-install windows...you must have days of free time to do that and upload the never ending list of updates...not as simple as you state young fella'
@BillDem Linux PCs represent a massive portion of servers and supercomputers. I see what you're saying when it comes to desktops, but even then I think free alternative OSes raise the bar for the commercial ones.
@BillDem

Do you suffer from diminished mental capacity? Lets do a quick list of things that run linux

Android phones (currently ~46% of all phones in the US)
Tivo
91.8% of the Top 500 Super computers in the world.
60% of all web servers in the world. (Including this one from what I can tell)
So yeah.. Linux is way dead.. No body uses that.. Especially not those Red Hat guys.. they don't make a dime. And Facebook.. they use IIS.. totally.

Linux might have low desktop penetration, but in the real world, where the real work gets done, Linux is everywhere...
@insanemal Remember BillDem is the one who posted incessantly on this same topic in other articles that everyone commenting were "morons" because they could just "run Linux in VirtualBox", as if paying for, learning, using, and maintaining Windows 8 and running Linux at half speed in a VM with little or no 3D acceleration and no bare-metal access to hardware was a completely acceptable (and morally justifiable) alternative for Linux users. He never subscribes to posts and thus never comes back to address the (numerous) posts that refute his comments, so you're really wasting your time. He knows absolutely nothing about Linux but loves to comment on any post about it.
@insanemal

"@BillDem
Do you suffer from diminished mental capacity? Lets do a quick list of things that run linux"

hehe happy
" If vendors ship their systems in the setup mode and provide a means to add new KEKs to the firmware, those systems will fully support open operating systems while maintaining compliance with the Windows 8 logo requirements.??? The ball is now in Microsoft???s court."

No, the ball is now in the OEM's court. You agree that if the OEMs implement this plan, they will be in compliance with MS's certification requirements. This proves beyond any doubt that MS's certification requirements do not lock people into Windows 8. You said it yourself SJVN. Will you now be retracting all the things you've said on this matter?

No, of course you won't. Regardless, the ball is not in MS's court. MS served the ball when it stated its certification requirements. Linux Foundation then passed the ball to the OEMs when they came up with an implementation method that served both MS's purposes and the LF's purposes. The ball is now in the OEM's court.
@toddybottom

Very true. I will also say that it is gratifying to see that the Linux Foundation is offering productive solutions to the problem rather than take the low road.
@Michael Kelly I will also say that it is gratifying to see that the Linux Foundation is offering productive solutions to the problem rather than take the low road.

+1
@Michael Kelly && @toddybottom
+1.

@SJVN:
The article was more or less fine until that random line at the end. Glad that the Linux community is proposing solutions. Still, there's nothing for MS to "do" at this point. The OEMs need to act upon these recommendations. MS isn't going to try to force the OEMs to do one thing or another any more than they are going to sue themselves in Antitrust Round 2.
@Michael Kelly

I agree.

Good article. Was worth reading.
@Nonnal

True, but one minor correction. OEM's don't write the UEFI (really an updated BIOS) They buy it from other manufacturers.

There are UEFI BIOS out there that already have everything that the Linux Foundation is asking for.

An existing UEFI compliant BIOS would be orders of magnitude less expensive to buy than to write from scratch, and will be much less buggy also.

Just something to think about that seems to be totally ignored in all of this flaming.
@nonnal Could we please dispense with the myth that Microsoft suggesting a fix for their secure boot fiasco would be monopolistic? Firstly, it would be ENCOURAGING competition, so there's no way in the world they could be prosecuted for fostering competition! That's just silly. Secondly, why can they compel OEMs to implement secure boot (restricting competition) in your worldview, but be in violation of antitrust laws if they add additional requirements to be sure they're NOT in violation of antitrust laws? That just doesn't make sense and other than Ed Bott (who proposed this line of thought), I've yet to see anyone support such an absurd notion.
@toddybottom Toddy: For the 1,000,000 time Microsoft created the parts of the logo cert that would hinder other OSes and refused (and continue to refuse) to add requirements that would ensure other OSes are not hindered. The OEM thing is something Microsoft is doing with a big smirk on their face. As I've told you before, it's akin to saying "I didn't kill him - the bullet killed him. I just fired the gun."
Reason - costs!
OEM's operate on razor thin margins and one support call wipes out the profit from 10 sales. If I can ensure that only the operating system I sold is installed, that cuts my calls and increases my profits.

I feel no obligation to support Linux or user choice, so screw Linux in this case! It isn't a supported OS for my systems and I don't have any reason to even acknowledge it exists. Acknowledging it exists costs money!

If the 2% of people using Linux as a desktop want Linux, buy a box where the vendor supports Linux. For the other 98% out there, the extra security is a non-issue as they'll never see it and I save support costs.

From the OEM's standpoint, installation of completely locked down systems is a no-brainer. Linux is too small to care about, and the hobbyist crown that loads other OS's can build their own. They (the hobbyist???s) don't even figure into my financial picture except as a COST I can ELIMINATE.

Until the Linux crowd can get over that little hurdle, my bet is that the OEMs embrace this new security technology and lock it down so tight, nobody can move. It makes perfect financial sense.

As usual Steven ignores the fundemental problem around Linux and that is Cost. The OEM is reducing costs by locking it down. Linux loses.
@Cynical99
You also ignore one very important issue: Linux is an entry point to the market. Look at ASUS.
BTW, the assumption Linux is hobbyist market is just that. Takes a lot of credibility from your post.
@kirovs@...

How many Jo Averages seek out and dual boot Linux? Not many. Ergo, hobbyist market.
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@kirovs@... unless you are building a server. OEM's are right to ignore desktop Linux...too much hassle for no $$$,
@Cylon Centurion

How many Jo Averages seek out and dual boot Linux? Not many. Ergo, hobbyist market.

Faulty logic, unless you are willing to cede the general case, e.g., all power users are hobbyists.

By your reasoning Autodesk sells into the hobbyist market. Would you care to defend that?




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@kirovs@...
on the desktop shows you really don't have a clue. Very few use it, most geeks that can't deal with Windows, or their grandmothers that don't know any better.
@Cynical99

So OEM's are going to ignore the market for older versions of Windows? I don't think so, it will be a long time before much of the market moves from Win7 to Win8, and how many OEM's are going to throw away revenue by only supporting Win8. Just take a look at how long OEM's supported WinXP.
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Now, that's a lame argument
Cynical99 28th Oct
@oldsysprog
Older versions of Windows? The mass marketers selling 10,000 or 50,000 boxes at a time won't care. The corner PC store might, but they'll be selling boxes without the Windows 8 Logo anyway.

The bootleggers might care, but I doubt MS wants to work with very badly.
@oldsysprog
Cynical99 Not lame at all, Microsoft continues to sell Windows XP and will support until when 2014?
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@kirovs@...
is to drop any credibility you once had.
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And you lost yours....
linux for me 28th Oct
@William Farrell

With your trolling posts.

Great article Steven. And you are right that ball is in Microsoft's court. If Microsoft forces OEM's to manufacture a Windows certified PC their way, then due to the extremely small margins, OEM's will make on a single model, making OEM pc's a closed box for Microsoft only. That is the major concern, and probable anti-trust issue that Microsoft is trying to avoid by this end around of dumping the responsibility of a closed box on the OEM's.
@linux for me

Yes because Microsoft is terrified at the fact that linux will take control of the desktop/laptop market. lol
@William Farrell
Or to troll anytime the word Linux appears.
@linux for me

How is secured boot anti-trust when,

A) It's NOT a Microsoft technology
B) Other computers/devices use it as well

Chromebooks, iPads, game consoles, etc ALL use some form of secured boot. Chromebooks and iPads are the biggest two. Where is the SJVN rant that he can't run Ubuntu on the Chromebook or iPad? Eh?

Microsoft doing the same with Windows hardly constitutes Anti-Trust.
@kirovs@...
Though there are some here that troll at the very mention of the name Microsoft, or Windows.

Perhaps you know of one or two. wink
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@William Farrell

I won't continue on reading your post. I want to guess -

"it's all MS's fault, they're the responsible party, OEM are held at gunpoint, Linux Foundation is never ever wrong in reference to MS related articles, SJVN is as unbiased as they come, so anyone who disagrees is a troll or a shill".

Was I close?
@Flatbush "Yes because Microsoft is terrified at the fact that linux will take control of the desktop/laptop market. lol "

I've explained this again and again. This has nothing to do with Linux (only as a fringe benefit). It has to do with Windows 8. There's a chance that this very disruptive version could become another Windows Vista. If so, Microsoft is acting to prevent Windows 7 from becoming Windows XP. Windows 7 won't be able to last 10 years unless the hardware does too. People buying a new PC will be forced to run Win8 or greater on it because it'll only run signed Microsoft software. There's no loling here.
@Cylon Centurion
"How is secured boot anti-trust when,

A) It's NOT a Microsoft technology"

It's not the technology itself; it's the implementation. They're using their monopoly power to mandate the OEMs make certain changes that guarantee all OEM systems will run Windows 8+ but not explicitly requiring it be implemented in a way that prevents anything but Win8+ from being run.

>Chromebooks, iPads, game consoles, etc ALL use some
>form of secured boot. Chromebooks and iPads are the
>biggest two. Where is the SJVN rant that he can't run
>Ubuntu on the Chromebook or iPad? Eh?

This has all been addressed before. Microsoft doesn't sell hardware. Microsoft has a monopoly in the market. Microsoft's monopoly power can eliminate all competition in the market and thus there's more scrutiny towards its actions. The iPad is not a general computing device. Game devices aren't general computing devices. Microsoft's actions could potentially render all OEM machines on the entire planet earth incapable of running anything but Windows 8+ for all eternity. Do you see that as being slightly different than your cell phone being locked? If it isn't implemented right, all alternate OSes in the known universe die. How is that equivalent in your mind to a Chromebook, designed to run a specific OS and DESIGNED TO BE LOCKED DOWN because it's for businesses and schools who WANT THEIR SOFTWARE IN THE CLOUD AND CENTRALLY CONTROLLED? Nothing.

Who do you really expect to convince by this argument that hardware manufacturers lock down their niche products so all computers in the world should be able to be locked to Windows?

"Microsoft doing the same with Windows hardly constitutes Anti-Trust."

In your dreams. Mandating that no OEM computers in the world can run anything but Windows 8 on up is something that would make the Standard Oil Trust applaud if it still existed.
@Cynical99

"From the OEM's standpoint, installation of completely locked down systems is a no-brainer. Linux is too small to care about, and the hobbyist crown that loads other OS's can build their own. They (the hobbyists) don't even figure into my financial picture except as a COST I can ELIMINATE."

Except that those hobbyists are usually the geek family member and/or friend that are asked what computer to buy. And if that hobbyist is not able to install his Linux on that system he won't list it as a recommendation to that family member/friend.
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@lepoete73
Oh, really? Then how come Linux on the desktop never got over about 2%? If all those Linux geeks are installing Linux on Grandma???s machine, brother???s machine and mother???s machine, where are the numbers?

Besides, those geeks you speak of will build their own with mother boards they purchase from some back room hack shop for as cheap as they can find them.

You really don???t have a clue, 2% is not worth worrying about, even with the geek crowd you think controls another maybe 1% of the market
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Reading Comprehension, Anyone?
CFWhitman 28th Oct
@Cynical99
You appear to completely have missed his point. He's not saying that the geek in the family will install Linux on everyone's machines. He's saying that he will not recommend that others in the family buy hardware which is locked into Windows. He's saying that the geek in the family will recommend that they buy Windows machines that also have the ability to be converted to another operating system later.

I'm not saying that the point he made can't be argued with. You failed to address it at all however.
@CFWhitman
Of those that purchase a PC, 99.9% will never change the OS, so what's the point you refer to? OEMs still don't care about upsetting .01%, they've got money to make along the way, and Linux has never contributed to the profit margin of the desktop makers.

I fail to see what you are complaining about.
@lepoete73

Where is this post you are quoting? I don't see it.


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@Cynical99

You really dont have a clue, 2% is not worth worrying about

LOL 2 percent is nearly 8 million units. Multiply that by around $400 a unit and that's a lot of money that's not worth worrying about. Who are you calling clueless?

According to you, and you are correct, "OEM's operate on razor thin margins and one support call wipes out the profit from 10 sales."

The way to make money on low-margin items is to ship huge volumes of them. And you are suggesting they should turn away 2 percent of sales??

By your own reckoning, those 2 percent of sales would absorb 800,000 support calls. Per year.

So your entire argument makes no sense.




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