Mueller calls OIN a scam

Mueller calls OIN a scam

Summary: "There's absolutely no evidence the Open Invention Network has ever helped any FOSS company" Floyd Mueller charges at his Fosspatents blog.

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Florian "Floyd" Mueller of Fosspatents has found a new windmill to tilt at -- the Open Invention Network.

"There's absolutely no evidence it has ever helped any FOSS company" he charges at his blog.

(OK, so I like Brian Stokes Mitchell. Sue me.)

The OIN was founded by major patent holders like IBM, Novell and Red Hat. It's a patent non-aggression pact around Linux technology which its six founders control and which other companies can join.

"There's only one benefit for a licensee: OIN licensees can't use some patents against each other in some context," he writes. "Unfortunately, the OIN's six owners decide in a completely intransparent process what is and what isn't part of that 'Linux System.'"

Without disagreeing on Mueller's claims, I must disagree with his interpretation.

It's true that in OIN some pigs are more equal than others. But the big pigs are making the big contributions to the pile. Being given some benefit from this doesn't sound like a bad thing, even if Floyd wants to call it "second class" citizenship.

Much of Mueller's charge involves companies that, like TomTom, have joined OIN and signed patent agreements with Microsoft.

If the OIN were the kind of magic wand that would do the trick, then why would Amazon and HTC and many others have agreed to pay Microsoft royalties on patents that are considered to read on Linux?

A fair question. But we don't know how much they have agreed to pay. Is it a real fee or a nuisance fee? That's a question I have asked for years, one Microsoft has deliberately refused to answer as it continues to sign companies to claims that may or may not hold up in court.

I really suspect it's a nuisance fee, a symbol that lets Microsoft into the open source tent as a corporate member despite its spending years fighting open source with every weapon at its disposal.

Much of what Mueller has been doing of late is setting himself as an active FOSS advocate, and that's a good thing. Richard Stallman is my age, and we're not getting any younger. Floyd has been to a barber, and is welcome to carry the torch forward into the future.

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  • RE: Mueller calls OIN a scam

    Dear Mr. Blankenhorn, <br><br>given that we would still live in 2005, I would considered your last paragraph on `Florian Mueller candidating to fit into the foodsteps of FOSS-founders? more realistic.

    In the meantime, Pamela Jones of groklaw has frequently provided some more background research: 1. in the case of the aquisition of Sun / MySQL by Oracle (Dec. 2009) where Mueller and Eben Moglen of the SFLC had different positions to be presented to the European Commission (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/3286vd5" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3286vd5</a>).
    Or, 2., today in a news item commentary to your article (`Mueller calls OIN a scam?, <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php</a>). <br> However, I found the question itself interesting: do you know where the FOSS-communities talk about the "next generation"- question online? Is it a possible discourse at all? Or is it better kept in a semi-public mode? With greetings from Europe & best wishes., LF
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  • RE: Mueller calls OIN a scam

    Dear Mr. Blankenhorn, given that we would still live in 2005, I would have considered your last chapter on `Florian Mueller candidating to fit into the foodsteps of FOSS-founders? much more realistic. In the meantime, he supports different agendas with changed ethics, in my eyes. Pamela Jones of groklaw has frequently provided some more background research on this matter: 1. in the case of the aquisition of Sun / MySQL by Oracle (Dec. 2009) where Mueller and Eben Moglen of the SFLC had different positions to be presented to the European Commission (http://tinyurl.com/3286vd5). And, 2., today in a news item commentary to your article (-Mueller calls OIN a scam-, http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php).

    However, do you know where the FOSS-communities talk about the "next generation" question online? Is it a discourse at all? Or is it better kept in a semi-public mode?

    With greetings from Europe & best wishes, LF
    letsseetheoutcome
  • RE: Mueller calls OIN a scam

    Does anyone stop to think that the primary reason Microsoft makes UI design changes like the ribbon (ribbon interface is pretty heavily patented) instead of giving the user the choice of either style is to further enslave users into their product and into their upgrade cycle or should that be called the handover your money cycle? LOL

    There is a solution for those of you that want your freedom and to stop handing your money to Microsoft and its called OpenOffice.
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  • mueller is an promicrosoft lobbyist

    mueller is spreading linux FUD.he is anti FOSS.
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