Oracle taking back OpenSolaris

Oracle taking back OpenSolaris

Summary: Oracle is now going to try and make people pay for software that includes contributions from a community which believed in good faith it was building an open source product.

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Before being acquired by Oracle, Sun Microsystems had built substantial open source momentum.

That momentum was one of the big reasons Oracle bid for the company, whose revenues always were (and are) dominated by hardware.

But Oracle is not interested in credibility. It wants cash. So to all those who bought into Sun's story about making Solaris open as OpenSolaris, ha-ha!

The registration process to receive an Entitlement Document is part of the Solaris download process, with the Entitlement Document being returned to you via e-mail. For this reason, YOU MUST PROVIDE A WORKING E-MAIL ADDRESS AS PART OF YOUR SUN DOWNLOAD CENTER ACCOUNT. If you fail to do so, you will not receive an Entitlement Document and will only have the right to evaluate Solaris for 90 days.

The Entitlement Document is an adjunct to the Software License Agreement (SLA) that always accompanies the Solaris Operating System software. The SLA sets forth the terms under which Sun Microsystems, Inc. allows an end user to use the Solaris software for evaluation purposes for 90 days and is a binding legal agreement between Sun and the end user.

Translation. Open Solaris isn't open at all. It's now 90-day trialware. Then you buy it or lose it. Given the way the software is usually used -- in scaled enterprise systems -- this puts users east of the rock and west of the hard place.

Savio Rodrigues of Infoworld first discussed this Friday, including a link to Sun's old terms for the software.

Former co-blogger Joe Brockmeier writes,  "it has to be extremely difficult to be on the community side of OpenSolaris these days." Zonker has a way with understatement.

I tend to be more blunt. This is called taking it back. There is no longer such a thing as Open Solaris, and I think anyone who bought Sun's promises on building an open alternative to Linux just got punked.

Oracle is now going to try and make people pay for software that includes contributions from a community which believed in good faith it was building an open source product. Oracle has long sold something called Unbreakable Linux. Anyone ever heard of unbreakable contract?

Do OpenSolaris users have a case? Or would the community be better off taking the most recent purely open source version and just forking it? Can they, when Oracle controls the copyrights?

Stay tuned.

Topics: Open Source, Oracle

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  • That's Solaris, not OpenSolaris

    The quoted text seems to refer to Solaris, the commercial version, and not OpenSolaris, the open-source one. Am I missing something?
    heringcheng
    • No you're not.

      But there is more to the story. I just spoke to someone at Oracle, they
      don't have a plan for OpenSolaris. Yeah - exactly. Solaris upon which
      OpenSolaris is built is now closed source. So the bits of Solaris that
      use that codebase are gone.

      What exactly does that leave? The GNU parts, and that's not a
      functioning OS. So while the story confuses "open" Solaris and
      OpenSolaris the thrust is still correct. People who contributed to
      OpenSolaris has only two choices, give up on their work, or fork
      OpenSolaris.

      Trouble is, at this point I don't see enough momentum to make a fork
      as success.

      Worse, I think Oracle just made Solaris irrelevant. You can't get the
      source code anymore.

      Why have they done this? Well I don't want to say; "because they are
      insane" but honestly I don't follow the logic.

      Solaris is "free" (as in no cost) for 90 days, then if you want the
      patches you pay. You don't get the source code. Now honestly, who
      runs an enterprise grade OS without a support contract? Yeah,
      hobbyists, students, and crazy people. Now Linux is popular here (and
      other places too) but not Solaris. So how many people are we actually
      talking about? Now of this tiny number how many are actually likely to
      say "Oh OK, you got me, I better buy a support contract"? Yeah,
      exactly: so close to zero as makes no difference. Net gain to Oracle:
      zero. How many enterprise customers are likely to freak out about the
      loss of the source code? Probably a sizeable fraction. What about
      Solaris "mindshare" is that likely to be improved? No, quite the
      reverse. What about engineering from the community? Well now there
      is none at all. I think "insane" covers this...

      IBM must be laughing themselves silly.
      Jeremy-UK
      • RE: Oracle taking back OpenSolaris

        @Jeremy-UK I'm the same way, I do my best to remain neutral. It's hard, if you communicate with the person the other person dislikes, then you fall out of favor with them! I simple can't dislike a person, just because someone else does, I just can't.
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    • yeah, it's solaris only as of now

      yeah, it's solaris only as of now
      thahier
      • RE: Oracle taking back OpenSolaris

        Can't say I am surprised to see this.
        snedkere
    • RE: Oracle taking back OpenSolaris

      @heringcheng I see the pricing has been release, bot can't find anyplace that mentioned how much storage is included. While the licensing costs are very reasonable, I wonder if there are any surprise costs. i.e. how much storage is included in the 25 user plan and how much does it cost for extra storage? <a href="http://www.kraloyun.gen.tr/sukubidu-oyunlari/">sukubidu oyunlari</a> <a href="http://www.arabaoyunlarimiz.gen.tr/macera-oyunlari/karayip-korsanlari.html">karayip korsanlari</a> - <a href="http://www.sacbeyazlamasi.net/grey-away-sikayet.html">grey away</a> -
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  • RE: Oracle taking back OpenSolaris

    Solaris 10 is a commercial product and always has been, and is not open source. While the new pricing structure gives it a greater cost of entry, particularly at the low end, nothing has changed at all for the open source OpenSolaris.

    Five years ago Sun adopted a business model of licensing the OS and charging for support only. A lot of people thought that it was crazy at the time. Sun continued to lose money and now that it has been acquired, Oracle is going back to a traditional business model more in keeping with its own experience. But none of this has anything to do with OpenSolaris.
    blu_z
  • not a big deal

    I don't think there was much contribution from the community so Oracle can have it.
    As long as M$ gets hammmered with it, the OSS community is better of.
    Linux Geek
  • It does look like you have confused Solaris and openSolaris

    The license terms you link to are for Solaris. The terms
    for openSolaris are here

    http://www.opensolaris.com/get/index.jsp#licenseterms

    Is something missing here. Or is this another one of
    those times where you just try to drop in and cover
    something you aren't to familiar with? lmao
    storm14k
  • Fork it,

    and tell Oracle to go "fork-off" :)
    John Zern
    • ok that one made me laugh

      A lots thx you ... Ill have to remember it and
      use it as a derivative.

      have a forking good day
      Quebec-french
      • RE: Oracle taking back OpenSolaris

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      • RE: Oracle taking back OpenSolaris

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  • RE: Oracle taking back OpenSolaris

    I noticed you included an opensolaris.com logo in your article. In your research for this article, did you bother to go to opensolaris.com or opensolaris.org and try the download yourself? You are confusing Solaris with OpenSolaris.
    s4rg3
  • If Oracle punk users they will regret it

    I truly hope that is a mistake from Dana and not a
    real
    grab on open solaris
    Quebec-french
  • RE: Oracle taking back OpenSolaris

    Dana, when are you going to start researching your news items before spreading false information?

    I saw the news about this on Monday's Distrowatch weekly. The change in licensing is for Solaris, not OpenSolaris.
    donniet
    • Exactly

      I was reading this article saying to myself, "What the hell is this guy talking about." Don't write about things you are not at all involved in and never have been.

      You cannot take back the licensing to an open source software such as open solaris. Besides, the source is already out there and thousands of people probably have it.
      mikeken763