VMWare Cries Foul on XenSource-Microsoft Deal

VMWare Cries Foul on XenSource-Microsoft Deal

Summary: The deal I praised Microsoft for the other day is not a two-way street.


The deal I praised Microsoft for the other day is not a two-way street.

While Microsoft will allow Linux onto its hypervisor, it will only do so with Microsoft software in control, not Linux.

“This is a one-way arrangement where Microsoft will allow Linux to run on future Microsoft hypervisors through translated calls to the hypervisor when Windows is controlling the hardware, but not the other way around. Under this arrangement, Longhorn ‘enlightenments’ will not be ported or licensed to run on a Xen  hypervisor.”

This comment from Raghu Raghuram, VMware VP of Platform Products, came in via e-mail yesterday. (VMWare is a unit of EMC.) Brian Byun, vice president for products and alliances, called today and expanded on it.

“We think the way to do this is with open standards base. Make it freely available without a specific license,” he said.  “The deal is not totally reciprocal."

“What the arrangement says is Linux will run fully optimized on Windows but the reverse won't be true.  It favors Windows over Linux.

“The community should ask why that isn't true. You want full interoperability.”

(Sigh.) I guess you may not return to your regularly-scheduled Microsoft bashing.

Topic: VMware

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  • I said this in May


    It was clear what they were doing. Microsoft enlightenments will have to be licensed and VMware will probably have to pay it if they want to maintain their leadership position or anywhere close.

    You should have seen it at WinHEC. I felt like "big John" of the UFC standing between 4 VMware top-level engineers and 4 Microsoft top-level engineers getting ready to say "let's get it on!"
    • I don't like getting played

      I don't like seeing that Microsoft is being open source, writing it, and then finding out it's a one-way street, which open source is not.

      It makes me think harder about believing Microsoft the next time.
      • You have to read them carefully

        This is the Virtualization strategy for Microsoft: Offer the highest performance virtualization experience for Windows Longhorn Server and XEN-like Linux hosting at the same time. XEN, VMware or anyone else will only be able to host Linux fast but Windows slowly unless they pay Microsoft for Longhorn kernel enhancements. Maybe my blog title in May was provocative enough and most people missed what I was trying to say back in May, but Microsoft is headed for a big advantage soon.
        • This is why open source companies don't trust Microsoft

          You have to read the fine print of contracts to see that when they say they're doing something for open source they really aren't? And then their PR people hammer on anyone who dares state the obvious truth.

          You can't fool all the people all the time. Eventually they stop listening to you.
          • that was not a fine print

            With the announcement Microsoft has no intention of misguiding anyone.
            It was more like reader mis-reading/mis-interpreting it.
          • I don't listen to PR

            I go straight to the Engineers at WinHEC. They're a lot more reliable. The VMware engineers were certainly there and listening very carefully.
  • maybe they need to look at their own actions first

    VMware is a unit of EMC.

    EMC makes storage that dont work with stuff made by other storage vendors.

    Software made by HP (related to storage) that does not interface with EMC storage systems.
  • Editorial correction

    s/you may not return/you may now return/

    Much as I might wish otherwise.
    Yagotta B. Kidding
  • Does the phrase "hostile takeover" mean anything to anyone?

    This feels too much like an attempt by M$ to co-opt Linux in order to repackage and resell it as Xenix, aka M$-Unix. Remember Xenix? M$ is seeing *nix up and comming and threatening their dominance, so now they want to absorb, control, and brand it M$ Xenix. They're just using Xen as a key to do it.

    [i]This is a one-way arrangement where Microsoft will allow Linux to run on future Microsoft hypervisors through translated calls to the hypervisor when Windows is controlling the hardware, but not the other way around.[/i]
    When people find out about this, they're going to demand a way for Linux to run Win-D'OH!-s. M$ will use Xen to make it possible, but with only one version of Linux... the one M$ will make out of Xenix. Now when people want to run Win-D'OH!-s on Linux, they will need another M$ product to do so despite the fact that not being a slave to M$ is why they switched to Linux in the first place.

    That's what M$ will do to Linux and Xen, unless people use VMWare instead.
    Mr. Roboto
    • That sounds so plausible..

      But I guess I have a problem with it. And my problem with it boils down to I'm not running Xenix on this computer.

      I don't necessarily see this as the long term threat to VMWare it's being made out to be because while I have no doubt they can swallow Xen any time they want to, they can't interest or service a large enough chunk of the market they are going after to make money at it.

      Microsoft has always sold best to businesspeople, as a serious OS for making money with. That's the pitch and since, by and large, businesspeople don't want to think about what is going on in their computers, they are willing to pay the price of trusting Microsoft to deliver what they need (but one recently told me, "Everyone hates Microsoft").

      IT departments don't have too many alternatives to, umm a Unix-derived operating system because aside from the ones Microsoft makes there aren't too many. While Microsoft would like to get its hands on the part of the server market, say, it doesn't already own, those IT departments will be um, reorganized, if they don't maintain a level of efficiency. They may make these sales now but can they really hang onto them without delivering the efficiencies they haven't yet?

      Just thought I'd ask.
    • That's not the way it works

      Oracle learned this lesson. Microsoft still has to.

      Fine, they will.
      • could you elaborate

        "Oracle learned this lesson"

        What lesson.
        • no elaboration yet -

          Also isnt there a better picture of Bill Gates.
  • No surprise

    Why is this even a surprise? Microsoft can't and won't change it's stripes.

  • Who cares?

    Use a mobile rack with multiple trays (differnt OS on each drive) to resolve this issue. Won't work with an "econoline" email machine but who cares?
    Hey U