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What Apache Wave means and does not mean

By | November 26, 2010, 7:17am PST

Summary: Google is waving bye-bye, and the question is whether Apache can breathe life into it.

The idea that the failed Google Wave project is going into the Apache Incubator in the form of a proposal sounds like good news.

How big a piece of news it is depends on you.

For those who don’t recall, Google Wave was a real-time collaboration project announced in 2009.

The idea was to merge key features of e-mail, instant messaging, wikis, and social networking. Formally released in May, it was suspended in August.

Google ran Wave up the flagpole and not enough people saluted.

The Apache proposal, initially edited by Google employees, claims an active community with nine discussions currently open and over 5,500 messages. But all that has to be off Google Groups by January 13.

The idea of moving to Apache has been under active discussion since a Google Wave summit meeting November 12 in San Francisco. At that time project manager Don Peterson blogged about progress in creating “Wave in a Box,” a complete implementation of the protocol. The full proposal came together over 10 days.

Among the active participants in the current discussion is Google director David Wang, “the man who hacked the iPhone,” who suggested a stable build be developed as part of the move to Apache. CORRECTION: The Apache folks note I got my Wang wrong. The right Wang is based in Australia.

Another active participant in the discussions has been Torben Weis, who teaches computer architecture at a university in Essen, Germany. He has been working on HTTP transport issues regarding the proposed Federation Protocol.

The point is that while this appears to be an active and viable project right now, its future depends on gaining support from more talented programmers within the Apache framework, rather than directly at Google.

Google is waving bye-bye, and the question is whether Apache can breathe life into it.

Can that happen? Certainly. Will it happen? It’s not guaranteed.

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RE: What Apache Wave means and does not mean
iceberg34 9th Sep
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time collaboration platform. I personally think that the best use of the project will be to add real-time collaboration features to other projects.
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John Zern 26th Nov 2010
more talented programmers in the article.

I thought all the best and brightest already worked at Google... wink
Google. Also, their are many that like Google, but would rather have the projects run outside of Google if they are to contribute. Putting Wave in Apache will remove any conflicts of interest, and attract some great programmers that were not interested before.
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RE: What Apache Wave means and does not mean
DanaBlankenhorn 26th Nov 2010
@DonnieBoy That may well be true. Just as VOIP is more than just saving money on phone calls by running them over the Net, so something like this can be made part of larger things.
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Google hate
DanaBlankenhorn 26th Nov 2010
Not just programmers, but companies. And people who work for companies.

Not saying it's rational, but in general we're finding that business consortia do a better job of attracting outside help than any single corporation can.
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Perhaps you could start with what Wave is, what it does and where it offers anything of use to anybody.

No one had much success with describing it the first time and this isn't quantum mechanics. It's obviously so useful that even Google dumped it and it's held on to turkeys for years.

So anyone want to explain why it could be useful and why Apache (of all companies) would even consider it in the first place?
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@tonymcs@... I read the wikipedia article, and still don't get it. It's seems like a cross between version control, e-mail, video and blogging. Kinda like facebook "e-mail", but even less discriminatory.
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Wave is many things. It's the Wave protocol that describes the operational transformation (which stands behind it's real time editing) and the federation protocol (which allows it to serve like email server - i.e. allows exchange of information among Wave servers), it's also the Wave server (the code that handles communication between web client and the DB) and...
Wave pushes up the limits of what can be done in browser. Wave should be viewed (imho) as a platform (just like a browser) for internet activities. And I even didn't mention the Wave Gadgets/Robots/Data API... which allows 3rd party developer to create Wave extensions which in its turn can extend the notion of Wave just to anything... Some people say that Wave is the most revolutionary thing in the internet since WWW. I think that Wave is the beginning of Web 3.0 - internet experience that is inherently collaborative and semantic.
The stadium infrastructure set in place for the World Cup has seen an increase of two teams in Deloitte?s League for the jigolo medyum web tasarim duvar kagidi Bundesliga. And there are yet gains to be made. For instance, Borussia Dortmund, one of the giants of the game, are emerging from a decade of financial trouble and should, and ofis mobilyalari buro mobilyalari Hava Perdeleri Hava Perdesi Fiyatlari Hava Perdesi Hava Perdesi Fiyatlari Hava Perdesi Hava Perdeleri most likely will, join this table in the near future, seeing as they have one of the largest stadiums in Europe. Meanwhile Koln only returned to the top flight this year and with the beautiful RheinEnergieStadion, they are only a top 3 finish away from joining this list. And who know what a
ingilterede dil egitimi ingilterede ingilizce ingilterede dil okullari Londra dil okullari ingilterede sertifika programlari Championship could do for Hertha Berlin.Stuttgart, it should be noted, joined this table despite not having renovated for 2006. The renovation that is expected to finish in 2011 could see Stuttgart jump even higher on this ingilterede master ingilterede yuksek lisans ingilterede egitim ingilterede universite ingilterede mba ingilterede sertifika programlarilist, although missing out on this year?s UCL might hurt them next year.

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