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What Nokia's Windows move means for Open Source

By | February 11, 2011, 2:33pm PST

Summary: Many of Nokia’s open-source partners aren’t happy with its new buddy-buddy friendship with Microsoft, but they plan on making the best of it.

When Nokia announced that it was going to use Microsoft’s Windows Phone 7 for its smartphones some people saw this is a great move. Other folks, like yours truly, saw Nokia and Microsoft partnering being as dumb as betting that the Pittsburgh Pirates will win the 2011 World Series. But, what do Nokia’s open-source partners think of this move? I asked, and as you might guess, they’re not happy.

Jim Zemlin, head of The Linux Foundation tried to make the best of it, “The Linux Foundation is disappointed in Nokia’s decision today to choose Microsoft as the primary platform for its mobile phones. Tough times give birth to difficult decisions that we don’t always agree with, but open source is–at its core–about choice. We believe that open source software is more than a sum of its parts, and the market is currently bearing that out. The Linux Foundation is here to enable collaboration among its members and the Linux community, and we invite participation in MeeGo [an embedded Linux for smartphones and other devices that was supported by Intel and Nokia] and any of our other many projects and programs.”

I might add that Nokia is a gold member of the Linux Foundation. Nokia’s been a member of the Foundation since 2007. The Linux Foundation itself had been, and I presume will continue to be a big MeeGo supporter.  Nokia’s move to Windows Phone 7 could not have made the Foundation nor its members happy.

In particular, although Nokia has said it will continue to support MeeGo, Intel, Nokia’s chief MeeGo partner was not pleased. In a statement Intel said:

While we are disappointed with Nokia’s decision, Intel is not blinking on MeeGo. We remain committed and welcome Nokia’s continued contribution to MeeGo open source.

Our strategy has always been to provide choice when it comes to operating systems, a strategy that includes Windows, Android, and MeeGo. This is not changing.

MeeGo is not just a phone OS, it supports multiple devices. And we’re seeing momentum across multiple segments–automotive systems, netbooks, tablets, set-top boxes and our Intel silicon will be in a phone that ships this year.

Still, you have to believe that Intel feels hosed by Nokia’s move.

Another open-source group that’s wondering what’s going to happen next is Nokia’s Qt division. Qt is the cross-platform framework behind both MeeGo and the KDE Linux desktop. Now, though, Qt looks like it’s irrelevant to Nokia’s future.

Aaron Seigo, a leading KDE developer and one of the chief designers of the KDE 4 desktop, wrote on his blog that “While I have little good to say of the announcement that was made, what remains of interest to me is the level of investment in Qt, the strategic positioning of MeeGo going forward and what KDE’s role can and will be as both of those things continue to mature.”

Seigo continued, “Open governance around Qt is moving forward briskly and from what I gather there are some interesting and useful announcements to come. R&D investment continues. However, we (KDE) won’t know the full shape of how this will impact our landscape in the mid- and long-terms until we speak more with people at Nokia as well as within the Qt team itself. That’s going to take weeks, not hours or days.”

I asked Seigo for more of his thoughts on the matter and he replied, “The most important thing to keep in mind is that Qt is licensed under the LGPL (Lesser General Public License) and has a broad ecosystem around it. Regardless of what happens at Nokia, it won’t be the end of the world.”

While Qt’s licensing situation is complicated, with no fewer than three possible licenses, the bottom line is that it’s relatively easy to legally use Qt in software projects.

Seigo added, “That said, it is far, far too early to say anything conclusive about what it means for Qt and therefore by extension to F/OSS [Free and Open-Source Software] communities like KDE and their projects. We’re (KDE) putting together an internal task force to work through these topics with Nokia as well as the broader Qt community and it will need a few weeks to arrive as useful conclusions.”

“It’s a dynamic situation that we’re taking seriously and tracking, but we’re also being careful not to jump the gun and either miss opportunities that arise as a result or make poor reactive decisions to challenges as yet not fully understood,” he concluded.

That sounds like a fair assessment to me. We’re going to need to wait and see.

I will add one more thing, from where I sit, Android is actually the least effected open-source project by Nokia’s moves. MeeGo, followed by KDE and other Qt users are the ones with something to be concerned about. Google and its Android friends? I think they could care less.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it!

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RE: What Nokia's Windows move means for Open Source
ashna93 24th Sep
I will add one more thing, from where I sit, Android is actually the least effected open-source project by Nokia???s moves. MeeGo, followed by KDE and other Qt users are the ones with something to be concerned about. Google and its Android friends? I think they could care less.
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Symbian was open source, and what did that get Nokia? Left behind by everyone else.

Whether paid or not, it's time Nokia did something different.
@madfry Open source really has nothing to do with their troubles. If you don't know what you're doing with something then it doesn't matter if its open source or closed as you'll soon see with their Windows partnership.
@storm14k It had everything to do with their troubles. Their troubles have never been with their hardware. They make incredible hardware. But they spent years and 3+ billion dollars on Symbian and Meego, and all it got them were two bad mobile platforms and a shrinking market share.

As for their partnership with Microsoft, it's hilarious to see Open Source sycophants hope and pray that Microsoft fails.
@storm14k

Open source is at the very center of their trouble - since their problem is Software, not Hardware.

When you promote something as a solution, make sure it really provide one.
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RE: What Nokia's Windows move means for Open Source
Rama.NET Updated - 12th Feb 2011
@storm14k
First of all Open source is not limited to GPL and derivatives, BSD and variants or Apache etc. Microsoft is one of the biggest backer of Open Source recently, though they have their own licensing system. As long as these licensing systems exist I don't see any difference between Open Source and Close Shop. A true open source is donating code without licenses and restrictions. As long as the restrictions exist I don't see any difference between these. Like wise there is no difference between Patents and Licenses. If I donate something I own, I should donate it without any restrictions, I should not put rules and regulations around how the receiver use whatever I left. If there are rules and regulations around donation, then it is not donation or free. Learn before ranting about saying Open Source is superior to Closed Shop. Licenses are great before Patents etc.
@storm14k truth be said... Nokia makes great hardware... they are a phone company. There mobile os's just didn't cut it. They signed a deal to make phones and couple those phones with a software companies OS. Makes good sense to me. I must say that the Windows Phone OS is pretty sharp!!! I am a big fan of the Windows Phose OS and the iOS. In my opinion, these are the two best mobile OS's. I write off Google becasue Google is a horrible company... kinda like MS was several years ago. Don't forget who Google's real customers are... not you and I.
I will add one more thing, from where I sit, Android is actually the least effected open-source project by Nokia???s moves. MeeGo, followed by KDE and other Qt users are the ones with something to be concerned about. Google and its Android friends? I think they could care less.
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@madfry
QT, KDE and Meego will continue.
@madfry Feb 2010 was when it was made Open Source. It was an after thought so stop bashing Open Source for Symbian losing out. It was after the fact.
software can be either open or closed. Google also runs all of it's servers on open source.
@DonnieBoy
Ok original Android is open source, I can't get OEM and Maker customizations as open source. Period. Now most of the devices of Android are closed source to some extent.
@madfry Symbian was made opensource years after it was irrelevant. Which was in feb 2010.
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Contributr
@madfry It wasn't open-sourcing Symbian that was the problem. The main problem, as my buddy Mike Elgan puts it

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9209198/Mike_Elgan_Why_Nokia_is_toast

is that Nokia long ago lost its strategic way. This Microsoft move, as he explains, won't help them any.

Steven
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Google and its Android friends? I think they could care less then why did Google feel the need to contact Nokia with the offer of large amounts of money and developement engineers if they "could care less"

I believe Google and its friends care a great deal more then you would care to admit.
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@Mister Spock Actually I doubt they are worried. Its not like WP7 was not available on nice hatdware already. People didn't want it. So if people didn't want Symbian how is WP7 going to help?

Folks need to realize that Apple sold because it had a first mover advantage when everybody else was too stupid to move on the consumer market. Android sells now because of tie in with the most popular web services and being ultra customizable. Neither Nokia nor MS are bringing any of that to the table.
iphone did and 10x what android did when they first came out? Is that why their appstore is growing orders of magnitude faster than androids did? and the tie in bs? WP has much better tie in with facebook than android. check out the hotmail and sharepoint numbers if you want to know what the popular web services are. and droids, yeah verizons moving them to bing... WP has the best services support of any phone platform out there, including an update service. 1% of android users have ever gotten an update for their phone. I guess when the facts dont back you up you just start making crap up...
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Johnny Vegas,
WP is not exciting enough, I have seen the same commercial over and over again of an ugly monster and a phone. Sorry a WP will not save me from my phone. I have had several Nokia phones and nothing but problems, switched to Samsung and have not had a single problem. No not a carrier problem. Two years is a long time to wait.
@storm14k Your posts get dumber and dumber. First things first. WP7 is not even 4 months old. Do I have to remind you how long it took Android, which is a horrid mess IMO, to actually sell? It took Motorola and the Droid to get it to sell. WP7 is not even four months old, and none of the WP7 hardware is what you could call truly great phones that people can't wait to buy. So you're wrong on it having great phones. You're also extremely premature about WP7's death.

So keep hoping and praying.
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Then explain Google's offer of money and talent.
Mister Spock Updated - 12th Feb 2011
@storm14k
Do you not intervene in a situation that effects you personally, yet pay little attention to those that do not?

As you can see, Google must see this as something that will effect them personally, otherwise they would not have made their offers.

You are not looking at the situation or events from a logical perspective.
plain
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Dose of Reality ...
MisterMiester Updated - 12th Feb 2011
@JoeHTM

Let the numbers speak for themselves:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20031147-251.html

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored" - Aldous Huxley
@MisterMiester
Android ranked second after how many years? Where was it when it was released in 2008? Compare Oranges to Oranges and Apples to Apples Please. Otherwise you are nothing but a t* or paid s* like Steven.
@Mister Spock
Don't worry, you should see Steven's purpose on ZDNET. Praise about Linux and Open Source, even if it doesn't fit into ball. Also praise Google and its friends even if they are stealing privacy of consumers and selling that to their clients and partners. We should not expect anything beyond that from the people who constantly look world with the glasses of Google.
chosen Android, or at least used the Dalvik application runtime. But, that said, competing against WP7 is probably better than competing against Symbian.
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MisterMiester 12th Feb 2011
@Rama.NET

How many years has Windows Mobile been available? I rest my case.
@MisterMiester
Windows Phone 7 is not Windows Mobile, even though they share Windows name share CE. Please use one and let us know. I rest my case.
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That's Hilarious!!!
MisterMiester 13th Feb 2011
@Rama.NET

Your want a Mulligan for Windows failed mobile strategy because Windows Phone 7 is "different"? When I read that I almost sprayed coffee all over my monitor.
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@Mister Spock Well, if you read it carefully, saying that they "could care less" means that they care about it, which is why they provided the money and engineers. wink
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amazing...
nitrofurano 11th Feb 2011
it's very sad seeing Nokia shooting their feet - what a deception... sad
just a quick read of the zdnet talkbacks all day will tell you that. If they'd announced an android partnership they would have left all their poo in their diapers and hailed it as a great thing. The fact is it is a great thing. great for mobile consumers, great for nokia, great for microsoft. they made a smart choice. they chose the os with the best chance of still being relevent 5 to 10 years from now. Chosing android would have been like chosing linux as your netbook horse 5 years ago when it had 100% netbook market share.
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@Johnny Vegas
Another hater trying to get a rise out of someone.
@Johnny Vegas You sure make an interesting point, but could you please back it up with concrete arguments? Or are you simply trolling?
building high quality hardware with high quality components. And now they need to more than ever just to stay relevent. Its no stretch to think they will make high quality windows phones. They also did a deeper joint engineering partnership with ms than htc/samsung/lg/dell/etc when they could have just taken the standard oem deal. No reason to do that if you're just going to make also rans. You dont think this is good for consumers? This increased competition is even good for iphone and android buyers, that is if android is serious enough to step up its game. Im pretty sure apple will be, they have shown that they are willing to keep plugging along happily with small market share. and this isn't just a smartphone fight for them. their 30% cut of appstore revenue is serious business and they also know their ipod business is going to disappear as smartphones take over for dumbphones and people dont need or want separate music devices. android im not so sure about. no one cared enough about linux on netbooks to stop the hemoraging as it went from 100% share to 1% share, all the while losing that ground to a 6 year old version of windows. android has a little better chance of getting an effort from google since they REALLY need it to keep their search share up. They didnt offer nokia millions for it for nothing. Let's be honest, google probably really doesnt care a crap about it except for search share and gmail licenses. when carriers like verizon start switching their droids to bing search all of the sudden google starts getting less roi. nokia giving window phone an immediate marketshare boost puts windows phone and bing all up in googles mobile search share face in a way that would have taken them 2-3 years longer without nokia. So yeah i think if android had been selected google would have been all over saying how great that would have been and the poo throwers here would have mindlessly followed suit even though there would be less competitive pressure forcing their platform of choice to evolve. as for the term poo throwers, well it just seems to fit. I dont see any objective arguments being made by them. Objectively the competition is good. WP has great customer sat numbers, over 90% love it and over 90% are willing to recommend it to their friends. Objectively that great. Objective reviews of apps like open table, four square, cocktail flow, ap news, amazon, etc. note they're much better than their iphone/android versions of themselves. I also like the ms app store model of bytecode apps that are verified and curated against malware. So yeah to me the baseless criticism just sounds like whinning and poo throwing. Of course everyone else is entitled to their own opinion. The probably 1% of android phone owners who care that their phone uses android or even know what it is can go ahead and use android forever and it wont bother me a bit. if they wont even give the nokia windows phones and the great windows phone apps a look when they come out thats their loss not mine.
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Johnny Vegas,
You wrote a manifest with no supporting facts to your claims. I stopped reading after the title, try to write a comment without causing someone a headache.
@choyongpil
Why truth always give you headache?
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@mbaudier

Simply trolling. He apears to think that telling long lies will make them true. Sales numbers show that the order of preferred smart phones (Which are after all only of interest to 30% of the market) are in order, Android, Rim, Apple, Windows Phone 7, HP. Rim appears to be slowly declining, Apple is only slowly rising, and Android is where the action is. Windows and HP are in the cellar. Nokia was trying to be relevant with the promised introduction of a Meego based smart phone, jointly developed with Intel. I would guess that this announcement means that didn't work out. Well, maybe next year they will go Android. Still could this year too. Symbian seems to be the casualty here.

But, it might be different in 6 months. Oh Joy. Mr Spock Mr Vegas and all the other trolls just can't wait!

Meanwhile, my advice would be to try before you buy. If you want/need a smart phone, OK. If you just need a phone, then get a simple phone and save the money. For a smart phone, look at screen size, try the keyboard, if included, check the features and integration, and check the marketplace. If you need a function, is it available.

I find that the most used application is the book reader. But it still must be a good phone. My Motorola Droid works well as a phone. It also works well as a reader and web browser. It does calculations and some GPS too. it can play games.

Want a headache, try to play WOW on ANY smart phone. OUCH!!! There are things that just should not be done on a phone sized platform. I even saw a CAD application for Android the other day. Another fine example of a bad idea.
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Johnny Vegas,
Provide supporting facts to your second grade writing and someone might believe you have some creditability.
Put up or shut up.
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Netbooks a bad analogy
daboochmeister 14th Feb 2011
@Johnny Vegas - while I don't disagree with everything you're saying, netbooks is a bad analogy and not a predictor for what will happen with WP7 vs. Android. MS reacted quickly enough, before many netbooks had shipped with Linux, and had "user familiarity" in their favor, since most people investing in a netbook were using it like a Dr. Evil Mini-Me version of their PC, and the familiarity of XP actually mattered. Plus, they had good control of the OEM market and sales channels. With WP7, none of those advantages apply.
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Nokia's Self-Inflicted Wound
MisterMiester Updated - 11th Feb 2011
They had a respectible OS (Maemo) with the release of the Nokia 770 Internet table back in early 2005, but Nokia didn't capitalize on the project. When the N900 came out in late 2009 competitors had already established a firm hold in the market.

Nokia was out compete by there own disregard for changing market conditions. Coupling with Microsoft is only damage control so Nokia can now say we did "something" before they spiral into oblivion.
@MisterMiester Maemo was complete crap.
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MisterMiester 12th Feb 2011
@JoeHTH

Must not feed the trolls. Must not feed the trolls. Must not ...
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stupid choice in contradiction with mobility
Lewis J. Alba 11th Feb 2011
Mobility means and needs interoperability and openness.
Mobility is open communication by its very essence. Imagine a WinNokia phone that could only talk to other WinNokia phones (the Microsoft model). Even Cisco realized, only a year ago (!), that broad adoption of teleconference would require open standard protocols. Before you?d have needed a different system for every different interlocutor? Not a successful strategy. I?m afraid Nokia?s move is not in line with the very nature of its products.
@Lewis J. Alba LOL! One of the stupidest posts I've seen. Since when does mobility mean or need openness? If it does, can you please explain why Apple is successful? And since when is a WinNokia phone only able to talk to another WinNokia phone? Where do you pull this BS from? Your backside?
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RE: What Nokia's Windows move means for Open Source
Rama.NET Updated - 12th Feb 2011
@Lewis J. Alba
Crap. Can you prove Google phones seemlessly talk to any other Phone like iPhone. totally crap. learntechnology first before ranting. Openness of what? Adopting to standards. Openness and interoperability are totally two different topics. As long as my system adheres to interoperability standards, I can make the system totally glued to other systems. And as long as the Architecture adhere's to interoperability and open interfaces by following standards for integration you see systems talking seemlessly, but there also exist so many challenges road blocks like security, configurability, adaptability, maintainbility, scalability etc. And companies have to make profit out of that implementation. And if the implementation and so called standards are not helping them out, why should they adhere to that. There are so many factors beyond anyone's imagination. It took almost a year for Android to get establish. Gosh, if it were not Verizon's droid push, it would have been stale and kneeled down before iPhone long back. Also can you prove Google is totally open for interoperability and Microsoft/Apple are not? It is totally debatable.
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@@rama and friends:

Yes, my Android phone lets me talk to people who use apple phones, and lots of other phones. It is true that you need to be able to connect to make the phone useful.

Internet standards help here too.

Actually, I believe that you can probably call Android users on your Windows phone too.

Extended services though, need a common language for the machines to speak to each other. Any propitiatory standard will fail. even Microsoft realizes this. that is why the new next version of MSOffice will (or is promised to) nativly be able to save and open to ODF files. ODF is useful for a lot of things besides letters and spreadsheets. XML also. I don't think that you really disagree with the parent poster, just with his manner.
@YetAnotherBob
I agree, but the original poster said was contrary to your post. We are just clearing up. I never bad mouthed about your Android phone and in fact I use one myself, EVO 4G.
MSFT didn't care about Symbian or Nokia, both were EOL. This is a way for MSFT to spend money to hurt Qt, and thereby hurt Android and KDE/Webkit. With MSFT, it's whatever it takes to protect the monopoly.
@cls@... Since when does Microsoft have a monopoly in the mobile space? You people really need to think before you type.
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MisterMiester Updated - 12th Feb 2011
@JoeHTH

... tablets. The iPad and the newer Android tablets are a replacement for a laptop with casual users. It's only a matter of time that developers try to exploit the business potential of tablets as laptop replacements.

Remember it's the apps and the ecosystem not the operating system which brings success in the marketplace.
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RE: What Nokia's Windows move means for Open Source
Rama.NET Updated - 12th Feb 2011
@MisterMiester
Tablets topic is debatable and you guys are seeing only consumer end, but there is more. A lot tablets are used in verticals even before iPad or Androids existed. Think about ER/EMR. They use Windows Tablets for everything. Windows has more apps than anything. Tablets are not media consumptions, they need something beyond that and currently most of the tablest including iPad (i have both iPad and Galaxy Tab) are not ready for something beyond consumption.

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