What's the best defense for open source?

Summary: What if Open Office really were a solid enterprise alternative to Microsoft Office? The best defense may indeed be a good offense.

OSBC logoThe OSBC is in San Francisco this week, worrying over defending against Microsoft patent claims.

Our own Ed Burnette was intrigued by hints in Jonathan Schwartz' blog this week that Sun Microsystems might help defend Ubuntu and Red Hat, if push came to shove.

Interesting given that Sun isn't even a member of the Open Invention Network, the corporate patent disarmament group headlined by IBM, Philips and Sony.

Personally, I was more intrigued by another aspect of his blog post. Schwartz repeated the point, with pictures, but it's something which deserves special emphasis.

Open Office logoGet Open Office, he said. Instead of waiting for Microsoft's lawyers to lay the hammer down, cut off Microsoft's air supply by downloading, and using, the open source alternative to Microsoft Office, which is as big a driver of Microsoft's revenues and profits these days as Windows.

I have Open Office, and have used it for months now. It's powerful. But it's far from perfect. I have major problems cutting-and-pasting ODT files into blog posts, for instance. The documentation is still poor, and not integrated into the product. Don't even get me started on its drawing, presentation or database tools.

Still, Schwartz has an excellent point here. (Given that Open Office descends from Sun code, it's a self-serving point, I know.) Rather than paying lawyers and waiting for a legal attack, what if large vendors, like Sun and the members of OIN, put some real money into improving Open Office, as was done with Firefox?

What if Open Office really were a solid enterprise alternative to Microsoft Office?

The best defense may indeed be a good offense.

Topics: Open Source, Oracle

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  • It's Database tool?

    Open Office database tools beat Microsoft's big time. Microsoft's crappy database tools is the reason I downloaded Open Office and started using it in the first place. I admit the figuring it out was a little troublesome if you were used to the Microsoft clunky way of doing it but once you figure it out you really have to wonder what Microsoft was thinking. Open Office is like being shown a short cut.

    Now Open Office does fall short in many areas. One issue I find is formating pages. I can create a Table OO 100 times faster than in MSOffice but I can't format it as nicely. One thing I do is create the table in OO then save it as DOC file to open in Word to format the rest of the way then move back to put the database fields in place.
    voska
  • Put the money into marketing, not product.

    The product has the help of Sun and others.

    No, put those hundreds of millions of dollars each year into making the Open Office name prominent. That's the way to make a reputation for a new product competing with an established brand that controls most of the market.

    After approximately $1 billion invested the returns will start to roll in.

    Use Microsoft's XBox campaign as an example, and hope that Microsoft is as foolish with a new version of Office as Sony was with PS3.

    No guarantees for your $1 billion, but that's business.
    Anton Philidor
    • Have to agree ...

      OpenOffice should be preloaded on new machines with the option to upgrade to StarOffice. VARs get a fee for placement on the desktop and a bonus for product sales on upgrades.

      Sun Microsystems already has brand recongtion so StarOffice/OpenOffice would be just be an extension of this. :)
      MisterMiester
      • Sometimes that works, but...

        The owners of WordPerfect bought placement on new computers by underbidding Microsoft. The idea was that people would pay to upgrade. I don't think the plan was successful, because I've seen Works back on new computers.

        A problem for competitors with a market dominating product is that people think they know what they should have, and a product used as a lagniappe is not going to be considered competition. I think.
        Anton Philidor
        • The history is correct

          Back in the day, the predecessor to Open Office was a proprietary, commercial product.

          But I fail to see the relevance to the present situation.

          Fact is, Microsoft can no longer dictate browser design because Firefox has substantial market share. That's what I'm advocating here. But I also believe Open Office needs more corporate support, the kind Firefox got, in order for this to happen.

          Thanks again for writing, Anton. I very much appreciate all you do for this blog. While we disagree, you've never been disagreeable.
          DanaBlankenhorn
          • More OpenOffice users.

            I suggested that marketing is the best way to increase use of a product. Marketing is expensive. A responder suggested that putting OpenOffice on each new machine would help. I observed that WordPerfect tried that approach and it apparently did not succeed.

            That was the relevance.

            Also, one reason why FireFox has not gained a larger market share is that corporate adoption has been less than the reported percentages, which are disproportionately home users. Many companies use features in IE which FireFox and other browsers do not use because they were invented by Microsoft. Also called non-standard features.

            Microsoft predominance in the browser is still significant enough that the company can design the browser any way it likes.

            I'm glad you appreciate my posts. Soon enough I think you'll appreciate my opinions.
            Anton Philidor
          • Microsoft's browser

            "Microsoft predominance in the browser is still significant enough that the company can design the browser any way it likes."

            Well, they still have changed their browser in other ways, such as including RSS, tabbed browsing, and a pop-up blocker.

            (Personally, I hope you're not depriving the advertisers of their well-deserved revenue by using the pop-up blocker. But then again, you also don't use Flash, so those ads don't show up. Don't you know that advertisers have mouths to feed?)
            Third of Five
        • Re:

          "people think they know what they should have"

          As opposed to what? You telling them what they want?

          Here we go again, full circle. The open source elists claiming they know better, that they know what people want. Great job!
          rkuhn040172@...
  • Resources hog

    Open Office is a resources hog. I use it only when I have to. My favorite word processor is Abiword, and for spreadsheets there is the wonderful Gnumeric. Both are lightweight, fast, reliable.

    I practically never use Microsoft Office anymore, because I practically never use Windows. But I must credit Microsoft for that: MS Office is much lighter than Open Office.

    Let's face it: Open Office is a marvelous initiative, but it needs improvement, especially where resources are concerned.

    Greetz, Pjotr.
    pjotr123
  • Accustomed to Office?

    [B]It?s powerful. But it?s far from perfect. I have major problems cutting-and-pasting ODT files into blog posts, for instance. The documentation is still poor, and not integrated into the product. Don?t even get me started on its drawing, presentation or database tools.[/B]

    I must be missing something, but I find the inline help provided with Open Office to be very high quality and easy to use. I haven't used it to connect to a database, but having used their presentation create a few thousand times, I find it fantastic. The publish to HTML is fantastic, and never had a problem with master pages, etc.

    The very odd (and I mean odd, like at site when someone needs me to work on their presentation in Office), I find it very very hard to figure out.

    Either way, I use OO 100%, never had or needed Office and have no troubles in an MS Office world.

    TripleII
    TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827
    • Open Office meets all our needs...

      ... which is just as well since MS-Office won't run on our kit! It definitely has areas that need improvement but the biggest obstacle that I faced was years of having learned the "Microsoft" way to the point of habit.

      Now that I've stopped tried to set heading level and outline numbers as per the "Word" method, it has got a lot easier. The drawing tools are a lot better than they were on Office last time I used it.
      bportlock
  • It would be cool if Google would Summer of Code it

    and let the other players you've mentioned throw resources at it as well.
    Conmergence
  • An almost adequate obsolete clone

    That's OO. If you can't afford a decent Office Suite then it's the right price. If it could be an exact copy of MS Office (interface, defaults for MS file formats etc etc) it may have a chance. At the moment it's a geek's paradise and a major frustration for the average MS Office user. Now that Office 2007 is released and people are appreciating the work done on the new interface, once again OO looks a bit tired and clunky.

    The real question is WHY would anyone spend money on making this better - remember it's free.

    OO is a useful tool when you are unable to use MS Office, but that's about all.
    TonyMcS
    • Security

      An important positive reason for using OO is, that it has far less security issues than MS Office. That was also the main reason for my switch to Linux, by the way.

      People who are concerned about computer security, should avoid all Microsoft products, whenever possible. At least, that's my view.

      Greetz, Pjotr.
      pjotr123
    • Well, that's one opinion....

      against many. I had Office 2007 installed and after spending hours looking for the simple features that are used day to day, I blew it away. So far, everyone I have contact with, (and as a consultant, that's a lot), have expressed the distaste in office 2007.

      As for Office, it doesn't exist here in the office. It works fabulous. I guess being an MS Zealot, you need to bolster the party line, but in reality, OpenOffice is equal, and in many ways, better than MSOffice, and it keeps improving too.

      Try it once, you'll like.
      linux for me
      • I don't entirely disagree with Tony McS

        I wonder how much better Open Office would be with some better organization, better documentation, and more regular updates?

        I'm glad you like it. I have it, and I sometimes use it. But there are still times when I go back to Office.

        Office '97, that is.
        DanaBlankenhorn
  • Open Office vs MS Office

    I used to use MS Word in the MS Works Suite. I had the Word 2000 version until I got the 2006 Works Suite last year. I thought the $99.00 for the Suite was a bargain for Word. Then, I started playing around with different Linux versions and dual booting XP/Flavor of the Week. I would reload Word and an old copy of Open Office 1.x I had a new machine custom built and went to DSL.

    I found that each time I tried a new distro of Linux I got a newer version of OO.o. I quit putting in Word in my XP system. Instead, I now run Open Office 2.2 and Abiword.

    I view my computer like Al Gore does a hybrid car. Sometimes I have to use the evil, polluting Windows. Most of the time I use open source, Ubuntu and PuppyOS to preserve my way of life. Maybe that is the way Open Source should be marketed. Preserve the ecology by avoiding the wasteful use of petroleum to make CDs and plastic shirkwrap. D/L the iso of a distro or the open source app and use a CD-RW to save resources.
    pfyearwood
    • Works?

      The article and most comments were comparing Office to OO.org not Works.

      I don't think anyone here thinks Works is an acceptable solution to most people's needs especially business.
      rkuhn040172@...
      • I understand that,

        I was just trying to say that I used the Works Suite 2006 to get a cheapo version of Word. Word by itself is $150 and up, depending on version. I did not mean to compare Works to Office. As one who loves to write, I don't need the full Office, either MS or OO.o
        My main point was I no longer use any MS word processing of any type. Sorry for the confusion.
        pfyearwood
  • Keep floundering on the desktop

    As long as Open Source can't crack its way into the common man's desktop, then MS isn't going to get too upset.
    ejhonda