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Will customers demand open clouds?

By | March 17, 2010, 5:25am PDT

Summary: Until open source advocates agree on what open means in terms of the cloud, clouds will evolve in ways that give lip service to open as an ideal, but still enforce vendor lock-in.

The old computing vision of client and server is being replaced by one of device and cloud.

(The picture is a greatly-reduced image from Smoothspan, which wrote about cloud keiretsu back in 2008.)

It is easy to tell if a device is open or closed. If you don’t know right away the media will tell you. The iPhone is closed. The Android is open. We can debate how open and how closed all day. That’s what journalists do.

But clouds? Right now the only really active business cloud is Amazon’s. You can make it pretty open. You can install Linux on it.

The idea of the cloud, however, was to make questions about open and closed irrelevant through virtualization. When it comes to the cloud, open includes the power to run closed.

IBM is big into clouds, more as a mainframe replacement than a service, and while its clouds grok open source, they still make a choice. They run Red Hat’s version of KVM virtualization. Dave Rosenberg says they will also support VMWare, but it’s clear that they align with Red Hat.

But is that all that matters? Matt Asay says whether your sync is open matters more than your cloud’s virtualization scheme. Cloud support for open sync systems like Funambol is what counts to him.

You start to see the problem. How can we demand an open cloud if we don’t know what open means? That’s why Microsoft can claim its cloud is open. Because it’s interoperable with open source. Microsoft has always defined open in terms of interoperability.

We have come a long way from last year’s debate over an Open Cloud Manifesto. We have come a long way in terms of the market. We have traveled less distance in terms of the debate.

Until open source advocates agree on what open means in terms of the cloud, clouds will evolve in ways that give lip service to open as an ideal, but still enforce vendor lock-in.

So what makes a cloud open to you?

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Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for 30 years, a tech freelancer since 1983.

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Dana Blankenhorn has been a journalist, writer and part-time futurist for over 30 years.

At the present moment I run only a personal blog in addition to my ZDNet open source blog.

DanaBlankenhorn.Com has the subtitle The War Against Oil. In the past I have used it to write about political history, e-commerce, personal matters, some ideas related to open source, and The World of Always On, which is the idea of using sensors, motes and RFID to turn WiFi links into platforms for applications which live in the air.

My IRA account at Schwab holds a few tech shares, most notably some Intel and Applied Materials, but there are no open source companies in it. I don’t even own any CBS stock.

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Dana Blankenhorn

Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for nearly 25 years and has covered the online world professionally since 1985. He founded the Interactive Age Daily for CMP Media, and has written for the Chicago Tribune, Advertising Age's "NetMarketing" supplement, and dozens of other publications over the years.

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RE: Will customers demand open clouds?
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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Open is about no lock-in
putt1ck 17th Mar 2010
Hence in many ways why open standards are more powerful than open source per se; if everyone supports the open standard, I can choose the software that interacts with that standard.

So for clouds I need the inbuilt ability and right to remove everything that I put in the cloud, put it in another cloud whether third party or internal, and to do that in a way that is not complex, or requires acquisition of special software, or to pay another licence or fee, etc..

I guess I'm with Matt then. Only time and my next blog post will tell if Matt is with me...
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The question is how you assure it
DanaBlankenhorn 17th Mar 2010
You make some excellent points which I was glad to read. I don't claim to have the answers here. I'm just asking questions.
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I'm no expert in any of this and am even falling behind on the status of clouds as the endless talk and debates go on and on and ... with no end in sight.
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I can see IBM building a cloud, hell large companies have been doing that for years! But not me.
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And until things turn out a LOT differently than the only way I can see them turn out, you won't see me on a cloud either.
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And I'll bet you won't see IBM on anyone Else's cloud, either.
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I think IBM might have the right idea about what clouds are best for and not right for.
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Hell, all they have to do is take their current worldwide LAN and rename it into a cloud.
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Large companies can save a LOT of money via the cloud, and the cloud would likely be under someone's control that THEY control, know well or have previous experience with to make it a viable choice.
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But for the rest of the world, meaning to me, using an unknown cloud owned by an unknown entity amongst a mess of
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conglomerates, which can include criminal gangs, etc, it makes it sort of folly to be trusting your "secret" data,
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entrepreneurial plans, marketing plans, financial records and other things a small company uses, it makes a lot less
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sense. Those people, and us in the single-user market who make numbers climb so high when something succeeds, it's simple folly.
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RE: Will customers demand open clouds?
Linux Love Updated - 20th Jul
Who will be the best targets for the criminals and kiddies alike? It probably won't be IBM or other companies with deep pockets who supported and even helped boil the water needed to make the story is something that water can demage any nederland people from around best TV that you can newyork is the cloud.
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RE: Will customers demand open clouds?
Linux Love Updated - 4th Jul
That is NOT going to be the target. The targets will be the small boys, the ones using an ISP instead of being their own ISP unbeknown to the clients, And the newbies who barely understand a cloud beyond a marketing picture, the ones whose weaknesses are already known. Any Microsoft-born cloud would be a target: Though they're big, they never know what they're doing and employee turnove cements that into their structure.
That's ignoring all the other issues of being locked into whatever applications they'll provide to you. You're not really likely to be able to upload your own Excel applications; hell, it defeats their whole reason for ipad bag blog of best sutudeg community the modern education news and country and being.
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Open is about no lock-in
jimoneil 20th Mar 2010
I agree, putt1ck, although as a Microsoft evangelist and given Dana's reference to us being open because we're interoperable, I suppose that would be expected happy

Open Source sounds good, but if I'm a cloud provider it would scare the heck out of me. How can you provide valid SLAs or compliance if you don't control the virtualization solution (which to me is the core of 'open cloud')? and once you exert control over that solution, your not really open source anymore.

It strikes me that there's some opposing goals here.. open source is about you being able to control your solution, and the cloud is all about having someone else control (much of) it for you.

That said, there are some significant efforts being made toward open cloud standards, both in terms of open standards and open formats. Microsoft, for instance, is a co-founder (with Zend, IBM, and others) of the SimpleCloud API. We're also part of the DMTFs Open Cloud Standards Incubation Leadership Board (http://www.dmtf.org/about/cloud-incubator) which tackles interoperability not just via APIs but also by things like the Open Virtualization Format.
..whether or not you control what is ran?


Can't you choose what will be ran, and let people see the source code of that, at the same time?
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Open vs. closed source...
jimoneil 21st Mar 2010
Absolutely, didn't mean to imply otherwise, but if you can see the code yet not control it, is it really "Open Source" at that point or just "public source?"

I've always viewed Open Source as providing a public living canvas: you make the code open so people can see it, ultimately to adapt and improve it for their own needs (and then share with others).

I'm just wondering how much adaptation by cloud-consumers (say to infrastructure like the Linux OS in your VM) can be tolerated in a cloud environment. It seems like there have to be some aspects locked down, only specific distributions allowed perhaps(?) so the cloud vendor can guarantee availabilty, SLAs, etc. Assuming that's the case, does seeing the source code matter that much - if you can look, but not touch?
..(libre FOSS).

I think if something falls under the first one it is still open source.


Being able to look through the source code is good even if you can't change it yourself. You can find if there's something nasty in it (intentional or accidental) and let everyone (or just the owner, up to you) know about it, and stop using it until it is fixed. With close source it is like mystery meat.. you don't know what you're getting..

Also, reading source can be a good learning experience.
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zakkiromi Updated - 31st May
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edward polling Updated - 23rd Jun
Until open source advocates agree on what open means in terms of the cloud, clouds will evolve in ways that give lip service to open as an ideal, but still enforce vendor ipad bag blog sutudeg short domain names pclos hwdb lock-in. k l
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gaberdiye03 Updated - 21st Jun
@edward polling Absolutely, didn't mean to imply otherwise, but if you can see the code yet not control it, is it really "Open Source" at that point or just "public source?"

I've always viewed Open Source as providing a public living canvas: you make the code open so people can see it, ultimately to adapt and improve it for their own needs (and then share with others).

I'm just wondering how much adaptation by cloud-consumers (say to infrastructure like the Linux OS in your VM) can be tolerated in a cloud environment. It seems like there have to be some aspects locked down, only pembe maske energy balance oyna oyunu moliva orjin krem tutune son nanomatik complex 41 new fx15 specific distributions allowed perhaps(?) so the cloud vendor can guarantee availabilty, SLAs, etc. Assuming that's the case, does seeing the source code matter that much - if you can look, but not touch?
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'Version of KVM'.
Dietrich T. Schmitz GNU/Linux Advocate Updated - 17th Mar 2010
Keep in mind Dana, Red Hat acquired Qumranet's VM technology and furthered the merge of kvm to the Mainline kernel.

This means kvm is present in every copy of the Linux kernel.

This is powerful stuff (Type 1 bare-metal hypervisor) essentially now available to everyone who sees fit to exploit its presence.

I think customers will seek out economy and therefore find 'value' in Cloud Utility computing.

Once a level of trust is seen and laws establish sufficient levels of privacy protection, Utility computing will become ubiquitous and accepted for the 'appliance' flexibility and supreme cost advantage that it is.

Xen, and soon kvm will be both doing their parts to make the magic of Utility computing a pervasive reality.
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Utility Computing
DanaBlankenhorn 17th Mar 2010
That's an intriguing market formulation you have there. Much less vague than "cloud," and implying a real business model.

Thanks so much for writing. I hope others read what you wrote and comment further.
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twaynesdomain 19th Mar 2010
Good article!

I'm no expert in any of this and am even falling behind on the status of clouds as the endless talk and debates go on and on and ... with no end in sight. I can see IBM building a cloud, hell large companies have been doing that for years! But not me. And until things turn out a LOT differently than the only way I can see them turn out, you won't see me on a cloud either. And I'll bet you won't see IBM on anyone Else's cloud, either.

I think IBM might have the right idea about what clouds are best for and not right for. Hell, all they have to do is take their current worldwide LAN and rename it into a cloud. Large companies can save a LOT of money via the cloud, and the cloud would likely be under someone's control that THEY control, know well or have previous experience with to make it a viable choice.
But for the rest of the world, meaning to me, using an unknown cloud owned by an unknown entity amongst a mess of conglomerates, which can include criminal gangs, etc, it makes it sort of folly to be trusting your "secret" data, entrepreneurial plans, marketing plans, financial records and other things a small company uses, it makes a lot less sense. Those people, and us in the single-user market who make numbers climb so high when something succeeds, it's simple folly.
Who will be the best targets for the criminals and kiddies alike? It probably won't be IBM or other companies with deep pockets who supported and even helped boil the water needed to make the cloud. That is NOT going to be the target. The targets will be the small boys, the ones using an ISP instead of being their own ISP unbeknown to the clients, And the newbies who barely understand a cloud beyond a marketing picture, the ones whose weaknesses are already known. Any Microsoft-born cloud would be a target: Though they're big, they never know what they're doing and employee turnove cements that into their structure.
That's ignoring all the other issues of being locked into whatever applications they'll provide to you. You're not really likely to be able to upload your own Excel applications; hell, it defeats their whole reason for being.
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RE: Will customers demand open clouds?
twaynesdomain 19th Mar 2010
I suspect the biggest use of clouds will be to let companies rent out surplus cpu time. It's already done, just not on a large scale for "just anyone". It's not new, it's been around since the first office in one country could access the same files an office in another city or country accessed. I don't think it'll even result in anything cheaper than the current subscribed data lines between offices, etc.. And we all know how expensive those are. So far those dedicated data ckts are more secure than anything else out on the market.
Too many things are missing for clouds to be prime time in any near decade.
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