Is Vista stupid (or is it me)?

Is Vista stupid (or is it me)?

Summary: OK – brief rant here. Why is it that when I'm using a USB memory stick, Vista is apparently incredibly stupid about removing the device when I'm finished working with it? First, the OS refuses to allow me to safely remove the stick if a window is open. How dumb is that? Second, even after dutifully closing all windows, files, applications, etc. and clicking on the Safely Remove Hardware button in the tray, Vista leaves the dialog box informing me that I may now safely remove the hardware open after I've removed the stick. Seemingly forever. Until I dismiss it manually. XP was smarter than this. So I ask again: Is Vista stupid or is it me?

SHARE:
TOPICS: Windows, Microsoft
21

OK – brief rant here. Why is it that when I'm using a USB memory stick, Vista is apparently incredibly stupid about removing the device when I'm finished working with it? First, the OS refuses to allow me to safely remove the stick if a window is open. How dumb is that? Second, even after dutifully closing all windows, files, applications, etc. and clicking on the Safely Remove Hardware button in the tray, Vista leaves the dialog box informing me that I may now safely remove the hardware open after I've removed the stick. Seemingly forever. Until I dismiss it manually. XP was smarter than this. So I ask again: Is Vista stupid or is it me?

If you know how I can fix this behavior please post a comment. It's driving me batty!

Topics: Windows, Microsoft

Kick off your day with ZDNet's daily email newsletter. It's the freshest tech news and opinion, served hot. Get it.

Talkback

21 comments
Log in or register to join the discussion
  • Besides the obvious

    [i]If you know how I can fix this behavior please post a comment. It?s driving me batty![/i]

    Matthew 18:9 always struck me as a bit too far, maybe, but in the right direction. I take it that isn't an option?
    Yagotta B. Kidding
  • Is that the only reason?

    Seems like a pretty small reason to consider an OS stupid. Maybe that's just me. I still have Xp on the wife's laptop and it won't even let me eject my thumb drive if a folder window is open. It may be the thumb drive itself, not the OS.
    jmiller1978
    • Why? Is stupidity reserved only for big things?

      ;^)

      It's stupid IMO - and it's not restricted to a single drive - it affects all of the drives I regularly use.Just because it's a small issue doesn't make it unqualified for the label.

      Interesting that you have the same issue with XP. I don't recall that but will check on my son's laptop as none of my systems are running XP anymore.

      If that is the case, I guess I'll have to broaden my question to Windows in general.
      morchant
      • Not just Microsoft

        [i]If that is the case, I guess I'll have to broaden my question to Windows in general.[/i]

        If you have a file window open (or any task has its current directory in the filesystem), then you can't close the file handle for that directory. If you can't close the directory, you can't unmount the drive.

        Microsoft changed the names, but the principles are the same whether you're discussing Unix, MS, or whatever. It's intrinsic to the way that files are handled in all modern (as in, post-1965) operating systems.
        Yagotta B. Kidding
        • Precisely...

          The problem may have absolutely nothing to do with Windows at all. Vendors make their hardware to function with Windows, not the other way around. I have two thumb drives, both from SanDisk, one is 1gb and the other is 4GB. Now the 1GB is barely a year old but is not 100% Vista compatible and it exhibits similar problems to what you state even with the U3 filesystem removed. My 4GB one is pretty new and is 100% Vista compatible and exhibits no issues at all with ejecting. It could be older firmware on your thumb drive causing Vista to think that the drive still has files open.

          Hardware issues are rarely the fault of the OS but the hardware itself. Neither thumb drive works all that well with my Linux installation so should I say CentOS is stupid?
          jmiller1978
          • That would be the height of irony

            Since two of the drives I use all the time were given to me by Microsoft in the Vista launch kit!

            ;^)
            morchant
          • It's a feature, not a bug ;)

            NT
            jmiller1978
        • OK - then why does my Mac have no issues with this?

          I can have one or more windows open in the Finder or in PathFinder (another file system shell I use all the time) or both and when I eject the thumb drive - no complaints. It just ejects. So much for that theory.
          morchant
          • File I/O Buffer Flush

            Hey Marc,

            Not all files are 'flushed' thru the I/O buffer to actual file at any given time.

            So if those buffers haven't been flushed back to disk umount will fail with a 'device busy' signal.

            jmiller makes an interesting point.

            I have a SanDisk 1G which came factory formatted as FAT16 and works fine with Windows/Linux but have had another which stubbornly wasn't recognized by Windows XP until I reformatted it using fdisk.

            Do you have a different pen drive you can try to see if this is reproducible?
            D T Schmitz
          • This happens on a number of drives

            I'll try doing an fdisk reformat and see if that cures the failure-to-eject behavior. My contention is in two parts though. Leaving the dialog informing me that the device can now be safely removed on the screen after the device has, in fact, been removed is bad interaction design.
            morchant
          • Actually, there are several dialog boxes...

            that drive me batty. "You have unused icons on your desktop." "You computer
            may be at risk." Just leave me alone!!!!! I want to use it the way I want to use it.
            Let me be stupid, if I want.
            msalzberg
      • I believe that what the poster was saying ...

        ... is calling the whole OS stupid over one feature you don't like is extreme. You may dislike the way the feature works and even think it is stupid but that is hardly justification to write off the whole OS as stupid.
        ShadeTree
        • That's misinterpreting the headline to suit your own agenda

          I've tried to make it clear that it is in this activity that Vista is stupid (or at least exhibiting a proclivity to stupidity). To assume that I'm indicting the entire OS is just silly.
          morchant
          • Who's assuming?

            I don't believe the responder was assuming anything, after all, you did end the story by saying "Is Vista stupid or is it me?" and ironically, this is your headline as well. Imagine that.

            Yes, there is one line that you do manage to seperate the individual issue you're experiencing from the entire OS, but beyond that, you've done a fair job of indicting the OS; and now the person that bothers to respond to you. Is this a pattern for you in all other interactions or just how you behave on Yahoo message boards?

            As to the "other" issue, you may want to try a different flash drive, and one that is not using a compressed file system as some [we won't mention who] larger pendrive and flash card manufacturers use to get the larger capacity at the expense of slower performance and a host of other odd behaviors[watch those 4GB drives, often the exact same hardware as the 2GB but using file compression, gets about 4GB and a few added seconds to response times as well. Nice scam if ya ask me, but no one is. If you reformat the drive, you may resolve the issue. mitty
            alphachi
  • Vista is stupid !

    Sounds like the same issue Apple's iPods were having when they were removed properly , all the data being corrupted and eevrything on the ipod . Apple fixed it with the iPod but it is strange now that you are saying that this happens with a USB flash disk . Someone better tell Microsoft that not only do they have to fix the Internet Explorer/Firefox issue , but this one also . This is truly mind boggling , Microsoft puts Vista on the market half baked and all the MS fanboys are praising Vista as the HOLY GRAIL .
    The_Nutty_Zealot
    • MS Fanboys??

      I have used a flash drive on my Vista computer and saw no errors like this. I keep vista updated and check about twice a week for windows update.

      Now what I am wondering is this comment makes no sense to me.
      "Apple fixed it with the iPod"... That would mean the problem is apple not microsoft for that one. Vista isnt a half baked OS it is just a new OS and has some problems that are being quickly fixed. Most of the problems people have is due to not using windows update.

      Now I dont think vista is the holy grail but this really is no different then people saying the IPhone is the holy grail. Both are buggy devices that needing work then they will be a solid device.
      combrink
      • FWIW - my Vista is completely up to date

        SO I don't think that's it.
        morchant
    • Now that your done with your ....

      ... ABMer rant there is a couple problems with your post. The data corruption issue on the iPod is not the same issue as not being able to safely remove a USB drive. The reason Apple fixed the problem is because it was an iTunes issue. The Internet Explorer/Firefox issue is a Firefox issue. Vista is completely baked. Only your post was half baked! You Linux/OSX fanboys constant railing against Vista is both uninformed and not convincing.
      ShadeTree
      • OS ENVY?

        No, I don't want them to stop as it's a source of validation for my decision to stay with MS. No, I don't have ANY machines with VISTA, as an overly-seasoned MS customer, been there, done that, now I know to wait a year, or at least till SP2. "Those who ignore the past are destined to repeat it" [hacked version]. mitty
        alphachi
  • RE: Is Vista stupid (or is it me)?

    vista is oink oink
    i tried vista home basic it sucks compared windows 2K also I have used vista home premium
    and it is so screwed up I cant stand that aero feature and I most defently cant Vista security problems in other words vista is a skank
    winxp