AMD posts blatantly deceptive benchmarks on Barcelona
Summary: Updated 8/16/2007 - AMD caught red handed[UPDATE 7/6/2007 - AMD intends to drag their feet on removing the deceptive benchmarks]After AMD admitted the bad news last week that their Barcelona product would be late and underwhelming on clock speed, the AMD propaganda machine has gone in to hyper drive with the latest salvo of blatantly deceptive benchmarks. After claiming to have the high-road on ethics, AMD showed hypocrisy on three separate occasions (one, two, and three).
Updated 8/16/2007 - AMD caught red handed
[UPDATE 7/6/2007 - AMD intends to drag their feet on removing the deceptive benchmarks]
After AMD admitted the bad news last week that their Barcelona product would be late and underwhelming on clock speed, the AMD propaganda machine has gone in to hyper drive with the latest salvo of blatantly deceptive benchmarks. After claiming to have the high-road on ethics, AMD showed hypocrisy on three separate occasions (one, two, and three). But this latest round of deceptive benchmarks is so outrageous that it's criminal [UPDATE 7/5/2006 - Criminal might be too strong of a word. This is blatant deceptive advertising at the very least.]
[UPDATE 7/5/2006 - Despite the fact that AMD has plausible deniability that they created these simulated benchmarks much earlier in the year, the benchmarks were confidential earlier in the year and they're now making its rounds in the blogsphere and press as if it were news of a miraculous triumph by AMD. The AMD Barcelona spin campaign is in full throttle and this bogus information is posted prominently on AMD's Barcelona Product page. Fortunately, all this pressure has forced AMD to promise that they will remove the bogus benchmarks on their Website.]
On AMD's "Barcelona" performance page, AMD shows the following fictitious and outdated information. Apparently some of these misleading numbers are even showing up on Wall Street Journal advertisements.
- It's fictitious since AMD doesn't have a 2.6 GHz Barcelona quad-core CPU and they won't even have it in September which is already late by AMD's original timeline. The fastest Barcelona processor coming out in September is 2.0 GHz. It isn't really clear when AMD will be able to ramp up the clock speed an extra 30% to get to 2.6 GHz but it most likely won't be any time soon because processors don't just ramp 30% over night.
- The numbers AMD posted for Intel's XEON X5355 and X5160 have been outdated since April 2007 and you need a magnifying glass to see that disclaimer in the fine print on the bottom. The actual up-to-date SPEC.org certified scores for the two Intel products listed are significantly higher. It not like AMD can claim that they forgot to include the very latest scores which were just posted days ago, we're talking months here so it's a blatant omission.
- Intel's XEON X5365 3.0 GHz quad-core CPU which shipped back in April was deliberately omitted from these results even though AMD showed off numbers for a 2.6 GHz Barcelona chip which doesn't even have a launch date yet. Putting in 2.0 GHz Barcelona scores would be shady enough since the part hasn't officially launched yet but including 2.6 GHz Barcelona scores is just outrageous.
Full picture on quad-core SPECint_rate2006 performance:
* Not real product. Fastest Barcelona being released in September is 2.0 GHz
As you can see from above, AMD's claim that they have a 20% clock-for-clock advantage with Barcelona is simply wrong. Based on the latest certified SPEC.org results, AMD has a little more than a 1% clock-for-clock performance advantage in a dual-socket 8-core Server configuration but they have 50% clock speed deficit when the Barcelona finally launches in September. That means Barcelona will not be the Intel quad-core killer that AMD has been promising for most of this year and it won't even be close.
The deception doesn't end with the quad-cores; AMD is also claiming to have an advantage on dual-core processors when in fact they have a major performance deficit. AMD claims to have a 2.5% advantage when Intel actually has a 14.7% advantage when you're looking at the certified SPEC.org scores.
Full picture on dual-core SPECint_rate2006 performance:**
** UPDATE 7/5/2007 - Hans de Vries pointed out in the talkback that the AMD 2222SE has newer scores. The newer results have been added to this chart.
I've seen benchmarks get cherry picked and twisted before but this is just outrageous. AMD is deliberately leaving out Intel's best scores, leaving out Intel's best products that shipped months ago, and putting in theoretical Barcelona scores for products that don't even have a ship date. After Henri Richard (AMD executive) came in front of our ZDNet cameras to slam Intel for "un-ethical behavior" and promising not to do the same, we have caught them on four separate occasions behaving unethically. After this latest incident, it's clear that AMD has no intention of behaving honestly or ethically.
Updated 8/16/2007 - AMD caught red handed Since there are a few websites and some individuals that continue to accuse me of wrongly accusing AMD of leaking the bogus simulated Barcelona 2.6 GHz benchmarks, I need to set the record straight. AMD in mid-July last month was still giving out those benchmarks to the press weeks after they had already removed them from their own website. Ironically that same week, I had an HD Video conference on July 20th with AMD's public relations people and they slammed me for implying that AMD had leaked it to the press and that it was a Russian partner of AMD that distributed the benchmarks. But when TechArp's Adrian Wong wrote a story using the same benchmarks, I informed Wong that he was using discredited benchmarks that AMD was forced to remove and Wong informed me that AMD had given it to him. Wong was not happy that he was given junked benchmarks from AMD and posted the following note in his Barcelona article:
Adrian Wong: George also pointed out that AMD removed the "simulated" benchmark results from their website on July 6th, and promised to post proper benchmark results of their Barcelona processor. However, we received the very same benchmark results just last week. If these results have already been officially junked by AMD, why are we still being served the same poo?
AMD initially denied they had given it to TechArp and told me that their European PR manager stated that they stopped distributing those benchmarks in April 2007. Later in the week on July 25th an anonymous source of mine sent me an AMD PowerPoint presentation that was being given out to partners and I confronted AMD with it. Four hours later AMD informed me that there was an AMD press event in Kuala Lampur on July 16 and "the simulated benchmark slide was included in the deck that was presented".
I had originally decided to let this slide and not make another posting of it but it seems that a few individuals still want to smear my reputation for implying that AMD was responsible for leaking the slides to the press. Because of this I have no choice but to set the record straight that AMD was in fact responsible for distributing these discredited benchmarks even after they had been officially junked.
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Talkback
AMD grasping at straws - get used to the deception
The result is that AMD is shooting itself in the foot. All the "trusted adviser" equity they have built with IT over the last few years will disappear as their market share did. These are acts of desperation from a company that has no leadership.
They should have redirected their advantages today and waited for a better Barcelona offering w/o sacrificing their integrity.
Does anyone really care?
Sorry George but this story is just 'same shit, different day' kind of stuff.
Then why did you bother to read it?
Never trust benchmarks when tested by the manufacturer
AMD and accused Apple of lying. All of these companies show their products in the
best light possible. It turns out that the G5 was indeed pretty fast since it stacks up
pretty well with chips made 3 or 4 years later, but that was in the megahertz myth
days. Just as long as you remember Steve Jobs isn't the only one with a reality
distortion field. When you buy anything, the manufacturer will push his claims and
benchmark what his product does best. I mean Bill Gates said that Windows Vista was
more secure than OSX. Who's getting hacked? It's all about marketing. Buy what you
want, but never believe all the hype.
Desperation of a failing company
Yeah., failing...
Yea., failing...
Still in business...
blah blah blah blah blah
But this is just too way complicated for you to understand. AMD has ridden on Intel's coattails too long.
Come talk to me when there are REAL PERFORMANCE NUMBERS on REAL BARCELONA HARDWARE.
I'll bet you 1 Euro that Intel will produce real Penryn-based numbers before AMD produces a single official 2GHz Barcelona benchmark.
Please double-check your facts...
Those graphs have not been posted just now after they announced the launch frequencies of 2.0GHz, but have been available on AMDs web site for a long time. Just google for the url and you'll see that people have been discussing them since May. At the time they were first published, there simply were no benchmark results of the Xeon 5365 on spec.org and that's the sole and simple reason why they were not included.
It's not a problem to be mistaken, but please don't make bold claims when you didn't take the time to verify your facts.
All of them circle around the simple discrepancy in dates.
I also don't need a magnifying glass to read the caption which clearly identifies the graphs as estimated results. The fineprint additionally explains that they're based on simulations and the accompanying text also talks about "estimates" and "expectations". I really don't know how they could have been much clearer. There's also a good chance the actual launch frequencies were still planned to be in the 2.6GHz range when those graphs were drawn.
On the contrary, you are getting deceptive by labeling the more recent values "certified spec.org" results. Those are all benchmark results submitted by vendors/licensees - nobody certifies them (read spec.org's disclaimer). And again: the values in AMD's graphs are the highest scores published for the respective platforms until April 16th, just like the text says.
And AMD is in business to make processors?
This is what it really reads: We think our product COULD go as high as this speed but because we really don't have the numbers or data to back it up, We will just ASS-U-ME...
AMD posted this on their website and in a WSJ ad
Dates
I don't see where the poster said AMD was going to launch at 2.6? I notice this sometimes in your other posts responding to others - you slightly twist what they wrote.
Random find
http://www.benchmark.co.yu/forum/archive/index.php/t-131441.html
I don't understand the text, but they're obviously talking about the same graph and the post dates back to May 26th. There are similar hits in other fora.
A somewhat clearer picture
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~117115,00.html
The more recent SPEC values George uses are based on benchmarks run on May 23rd (Xeon 5365, provided by Intel)...
http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2007q2/cpu2006-20070528-01175.txt
...and June 11th (Xeon 5355, provided by Fujitsu Siemens)
http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2007q2/cpu2006-20070612-01275.txt
At least try to hide your bias
They did post this on their web site, but at a time where the depicted values and the absence of the Xeon 5365 were current fact. You can accuse them of releasing that information at a strategically favorable time and not updating it afterwards, but calling that "blatant deception" is inappropriate.
Similarly, your attempt to read something into my statement that is not there (the "fantasizing" part) is the ultimate proof of your bias for me (who's not agreeing with you must be an AMD fanboy). I do not care wether they are honest or not. I don't care how Barcelona performs - I haven't preordered one. I believe if they wanted to deceive us the way you describe with a product they won't deliver, they would have just set Barcelona's scores higher instead of lowering the Xeon values, which can easily be proven wrong. I expect every vendor to tweak comparisons in their favor as much as they can - I just don't understand bloggers who claim independence, but can't keep themselves from campaigning, just to attract attention.
AMD has made it a habbit to ommit Intel's best products and scores
As for reading something in to your statement, that's what it sounded like to me when I read it that you were still convinced about an imminent 2.6 GHz launch. Now that I've re-read it, I'll admit I mistook your meaning. Now it?s your turn not to read anything more from that than there is.
For a reason?
For a reason? OK...
Oh wait. A 2.6GHz Barcelona does not physically exist.
Clocks...
And how you could tell there is no a single Barcelona that stand 2.6 GHz? The question is what volume.